Who Is Lucifer really... this is going to shock YOU!

[Obadiah]

funny how

Joseph gets a coat of many colours such as Lucifer as arrayed in all predacious stones
Abraham has to sacrifice his son issac but a ram is sacrificed, God should have destroyed
Lucifer yet he put Christ on the cross (the ram [lamb] of God)

EVERY scripture story has this type of "continuity"
Look at them -

I think there is a secret puzzle in the bible.

I think when you look for too many "secret puzzles" in the Bible you end up with a lot of false doctrine.

 

[Gary]

If you want it bad enough, you can get the bible to say just about anything.

 

[for_his_glory]

funny how

Joseph gets a coat of many colours such as Lucifer as arrayed in all predacious stones
Abraham has to sacrifice his son issac but a ram is sacrificed, God should have destroyed
Lucifer yet he put Christ on the cross (the ram [lamb] of God)

EVERY scripture story has this type of "continuity"
Look at them -

I think there is a secret puzzle in the bible.

You have to remember that Lucifer was a created spirit just like all the angels are and a spirit can not be destroyed for it has no flesh or blood or else God would have destroyed him from the moment he rebelled against God and all His heavenly host even causing a third of the angels to fall with him.

 

[for_his_glory]

Maybe you lot are right after all the Scriptures say Lucifer has
ALL WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE
yet Satan has NO LIGHT

food for thought
Selah

Jesus bless you and your kin.

If Lucifer had all wisdom and knowledge as God does then he also would have known his end from the beginning.

 

[for_his_glory]

2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[Blake]

The knowledge and wisdom is God is freely given. People have walked the path of "hidden knowledge" far before you ever did, and they were and still are known as the Gnostics. You are venturing into dangerous territory, a blending of the occult with the Spiritual, a false-enlightenment that the enemy is eager to provide. Seeking and abiding in a hidden knowledge stems from pride, and pride is the sin which cast Lucifer from heaven, the first transgression. Seeking to taste of the fruit of that tree, the tree of knowledge, Adam and Eve in pride wanted to be as gods -- even though they dwelt with the One God in Eden.

You are following in those footsteps brother. You will find what you are looking for, but not what you need. You are not weened yet from the very milk of the scriptures and able to bear the meat, but are enticed by the forbidden fruit. Seek holiness and repentance and the Holy Spirit will guide you into the truth of the written word. Your have barely shaken the water from your baptism and are treading into proverbial waters that are far over your head, or any of our heads for that matter. You will find yourself in delusion and pride, given over to a mind which rejects counsel or reproof, hostile towards correction from God or man, ambitious in your desire for secret wisdom. Please repent of this gnostic grandeur my brother, I've seen people start down this road and find themselves so given over to delusion that they slipped into complete madness.

 

[Free]

funny how

Joseph gets a coat of many colours such as Lucifer as arrayed in all predacious stones
Abraham has to sacrifice his son issac but a ram is sacrificed, God should have destroyed
Lucifer yet he put Christ on the cross (the ram [lamb] of God)

EVERY scripture story has this type of "continuity"
Look at them -

I think there is a secret puzzle in the bible.

There is no "secret puzzle." Understanding what the Bible says is an extremely serious task; it is not some sort of game. As Obadiah stated, interpreting the Bible in such a way leads to all sorts of false doctrine.

These quotes are worth reading:

"There is a reason for the morning star reference. It has a lot to do with astronomy and them calling planets, stars, for lack of not knowing about planets. Venus is known as the "morning star". Research the relationship between the king being spoken about in Isaiah 14 and Venus, this morning star.

Note this "star" is really a planet; a counterfeit star. ;)

a morning star

THE morning star. :biggrin

Young's literal Translation Bible says:

12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations."


'"Lucifer" is a Latin term carried over from the Vulgate, that means "light-bearing" (both Strong's and Merriam-Webster are in agreement on this). This "morning light-bearer" is Venus and is a metaphor for the king in that passage. It is significant that Isa. 14:12 is the only place in all of Scripture that the word Lucifer is used, at least as a noun.'

[URL="http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/what-is-wrong-with-the-niv-bible.26725/page-5#post-401576"]What Is Wrong With The NIV Bible ?[/URL]

And please, everyone, let's not resurrect that old thread.

 

[Willie T]

funny how

Joseph gets a coat of many colours such as Lucifer as arrayed in all predacious stones
Abraham has to sacrifice his son issac but a ram is sacrificed, God should have destroyed
Lucifer yet he put Christ on the cross (the ram [lamb] of God)

EVERY scripture story has this type of "continuity"
Look at them -

I think there is a secret puzzle in the bible.

You're trying to claim to be privy to some deep Biblical secret puzzle..... and you use a word like "predacious" to describe valuable stones? Nah, I don't think so.

 

[YosefHayim]

funny how

Joseph gets a coat of many colours such as Lucifer as arrayed in all predacious stones
Abraham has to sacrifice his son issac but a ram is sacrificed, God should have destroyed
Lucifer yet he put Christ on the cross (the ram [lamb] of God)

EVERY scripture story has this type of "continuity"
Look at them -

I think there is a secret puzzle in the bible.

There is a puzzle in the bible. And this is how you're putting it together.

 

[YosefHayim]

What Is Wrong With The New International Vatican Bible ?

People are using it. That's what's wrong.

 

[Edward]

If you want it bad enough, you can get the bible to say just about anything.

Yeah that's what the say. If you torture the text long enough you can get it to say anything you want to.

 

[YosefHayim]

Yeah that's what the say. If you torture the text long enough you can get it to say anything you want to.

Ever read Porn-Again Christian by Mark Driscoll? He said someone tried to use Ecclesiastes 9:10 which says "whatever your hand finds to do do it with your mind" to justify some personal things.

 

[Edward]

Ever read Porn-Again Christian by Mark Driscoll? He said someone tried to use Ecclesiastes 9:10 which says "whatever your hand finds to do do it with your mind" to justify some personal things.

No I haven't read that, but I have read similar stuff when I was looking to rationalize some things. Oh they made it sound good and it was easy to accept. It took me a bit to be honest with myself and overcome that. Good thing it wasn't porn, that sounds like a hard thing to overcome judging from testimonies I have read.

Personally, I don't see what makes porn so attractive to people. I've never had a problem with it because I found it to be sort of laughable. I always much preferred the real thing to pictures. That was my problem. For awhile, then I grew up.
No offense intended to anyone who may be struggling with these things, I'm just recounting personal experiences.

 

[Blake]

I used to use "every herb bearing seed" to justify smoking weed! The carnal mind wants to justify it. The devil knows the written word better than any of us, he can use it against us if we read it in the flesh, but if we rightly divide the scriptures as workmen not ashamed, (2 Timothy 2:15), in the Spirit... everything changes.

That was before I really walked with God. When I got the Spirit, in seeking His face, that's all I've really wanted since. Not only has the desire been taken away from me entirely but the thought of going through the actions to get my hands on the stuff, it just feels completely wrong. I can't imagine someone calling me up or seeking me out for prayer or advice and me smelling like booze or smoke. I want to represent Jesus Christ, sober-minded and vigilant.

 

[YosefHayim]

No I haven't read that, but I have read similar stuff when I was looking to rationalize some things. Oh they made it sound good and it was easy to accept. It took me a bit to be honest with myself and overcome that. Good thing it wasn't porn, that sounds like a hard thing to overcome judging from testimonies I have read.

Personally, I don't see what makes porn so attractive to people. I've never had a problem with it because I found it to be sort of laughable. I always much preferred the real thing to pictures. That was my problem. For awhile, then I grew up.
No offense intended to anyone who may be struggling with these things, I'm just recounting personal experiences.

Think of the best food that you can't get enough, and you salivate at the sight of. But instead of your stomach and mouth vs food, it's a hunger down stairs vs people that attract the fleshy taste buds of the eyes. But only Christ makes the outer to perish and the inner to be renewed.

 

[nameless]

I used to use "every herb bearing seed" to justify smoking weed! The carnal mind wants to justify it. The devil knows the written word better than any of us, he can use it against us if we read it in the flesh, but if we rightly divide the scriptures as workmen not ashamed, (2 Timothy 2:15), in the Spirit... everything changes.

That was before I really walked with God. When I got the Spirit, in seeking His face, that's all I've really wanted since. Not only has the desire been taken away from me entirely but the thought of going through the actions to get my hands on the stuff, it just feels completely wrong. I can't imagine someone calling me up or seeking me out for prayer or advice and me smelling like booze or smoke. I want to represent Jesus Christ, sober-minded and vigilant.

Actually you're not suppose to "smoke" "weed" are eat it... its a herb no the less, but you're talking about the growing moss arnt you.

 

[YosefHayim]

Actually you're not suppose to "smoke" "weed" are eat it... its a herb no the less, but you're talking about the growing moss arnt you.

Smoked or eaten, marijuana causes psychoactive effects. As a former user, I can rightly conclude that cannabis meets the criteria of a psychedelic. In the New Testament, Pharmakeia is the Greek word for "sorceries/witchcraft/magic". The word pharmacy is derived from pharmakeia. Marijuana, DMT, LSD, LSA, and other psychotropic drugs have been used for spiritual rituals. These are called psychedelics and entheogens. Psychedelic means "soul manifesting" and entheogen means "becoming divine within". This is the lie of Lucifer that was given in Genesis 3 - the Nachash said to Eve "Your eyes shall be open, and ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil" to make her eat the fruit which has placed us trapped in time, sin, and decay. Jesus Christ leads us out of these things.

 

[nameless]

unless you can provide 100% scripture evidence that "Lucifer" is the devil
then be careful with your words, just say Satan.

I want proof from people scripture says prove all things... ALL OF THEM

 

[for_his_glory]

unless you can provide 100% scripture evidence that "Lucifer" is the devil
then be careful with your words, just say Satan.

I want proof from people scripture says prove all things... ALL OF THEM

Why not you prove with scripture, without adding your words to it in parenthesis, and show us where Lucifer is not Satan or any other name man has called him. I for one have given you many in PM and others as well here. May I ask what is your religious affiliation? Just trying to understand why you believe the way you do and I never heard of the New International Vatican Bible. Sounds like something from a New World Order.

 

[Edward]

unless you can provide 100% scripture evidence that "Lucifer" is the devil
then be careful with your words, just say Satan.

I want proof from people scripture says prove all things... ALL OF THEM

With all due respect brother, don't you have this backwards? You're laying down a very huge premise here, so are the one who needs to back it up with scripture, and with a little more than word substitution too unless it involves a word study.