Who Is Lucifer really... this is going to shock YOU!

[YosefHayim]

unless you can provide 100% scripture evidence that "Lucifer" is the devil
then be careful with your words, just say Satan.

I want proof from people scripture says prove all things... ALL OF THEM

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[Obadiah]

unless you can provide 100% scripture evidence that "Lucifer" is the devil
then be careful with your words, just say Satan.

I want proof from people scripture says prove all things... ALL OF THEM

With all due respect brother, don't you have this backwards? You're laying down a very huge premise here, so are the one who needs to back it up with scripture, and with a little more than word substitution too unless it involves a word study.

I absolutely agree. When you are the one presenting the unorthodox viewpoint, the burden is on YOU to support it with proof, not on others to prove you wrong. And I agree that simply inserting your own word into scripture, whether in parenthesis or not, is no proof at all, but simply adding your own private interpretation to scripture with no support at all (which is something scripture tells us NOT to do).

 

[twinc]

With all due respect brother, don't you have this backwards? You're laying down a very huge premise here, so are the one who needs to back it up with scripture, and with a little more than word substitution too unless it involves a word study.

personally I have a vague feeling that Adam[Lk.3:38] was Lucifer - twinc

 

[Obadiah]

personally I have a vague feeling that Adam[Lk.3:38] was Lucifer - twinc

And do you have some kind of evidence of this from scripture that you forgot to present? (Since the verse you cited says nothing of the kind.) Or are you just trolling?

 

[for_his_glory]

personally I have a vague feeling that Adam[Lk.3:38] was Lucifer - twinc

 

[twinc]

And do you have some kind of evidence of this from scripture that you forgot to present? (Since the verse you cited says nothing of the kind.) Or are you just trolling?

is Lk.3:38 not scripture or 'that you shall be like God' or that the lost sheep Adam was found and redeemed by the second Adam as the lamb of God - just a thought imho - twinc

 

[Obadiah]

And do you have some kind of evidence of this from scripture that you forgot to present? (Since the verse you cited says nothing of the kind.) Or are you just trolling?

is Lk.3:38 not scripture or 'that you shall be like God' or that the lost sheep Adam was found and redeemed by the second Adam as the lamb of God - just a thought imho - twinc

Maybe you should double check your reference. Lk3:38 says neither "that you shall be like God" nor does it say Adam is Lucifer. If you are gong to make a statement like that which is so far removed from normal Christian belief and understanding, you need to have something to back it up with. If you don't have anything, you are just trolling.

Luke 3:38, KJV "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

 

[YosefHayim]

Or are you just trolling?

I discovered a puzzle. Naaman is thousands of years old because he was healed in 2 kings of Leprosy. Jesus healed a leper too. Naaman time traveled into the future to be healed by Jesus and came back healed before Elisha.


Just kidding. I don't believe that. But it shows how easy eisegesis is.

 

[Free]

People are using it. That's what's wrong.

Why would you change the text to something I didn't say and something that NIV doesn't mean? That is dishonest.

 

[YosefHayim]

Why would you change the text to something I didn't say and something that NIV doesn't mean? That is dishonest.

It is what it should rather be called. Never said it as fact.

 

[twinc]

I discovered a puzzle. Naaman is thousands of years old because he was healed in 2 kings of Leprosy. Jesus healed a leper too. Naaman time traveled into the future to be healed by Jesus and came back healed before Elisha.


Just kidding. I don't believe that. But it shows how easy eisegesis is.

I discovered a puzzle. Naaman is thousands of years old because he was healed in 2 kings of Leprosy. Jesus healed a leper too. Naaman time traveled into the future to be healed by Jesus and came back healed before Elisha.


Just kidding. I don't believe that. But it shows how easy eisegesis is.

I discovered a puzzle. Naaman is thousands of years old because he was healed in 2 kings of Leprosy. Jesus healed a leper too. Naaman time traveled into the future to be healed by Jesus and came back healed before Elisha.


Just kidding. I don't believe that. But it shows how easy eisegesis is.

I discovered a puzzle. Naaman is thousands of years old because he was healed in 2 kings of Leprosy. Jesus healed a leper too. Naaman time traveled into the future to be healed by Jesus and came back healed before Elisha.


Just kidding. I don't believe that. But it shows how easy eisegesis is.

Maybe you should double check your reference. Lk3:38 says neither "that you shall be like God" nor does it say Adam is Lucifer. If you are gong to make a statement like that which is so far removed from normal Christian belief and understanding, you need to have something to back it up with. If you don't have anything, you are just trolling.

Luke 3:38, KJV "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

Maybe you should double check your reference. Lk3:38 says neither "that you shall be like God" nor does it say Adam is Lucifer. If you are gong to make a statement like that which is so far removed from normal Christian belief and understanding, you need to have something to back it up with. If you don't have anything, you are just trolling.

Luke 3:38, KJV "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

is Lk.3:38 not scripture or 'that you shall be like God' or that the lost sheep Adam was found and redeemed by the second Adam as the lamb of God - just a thought imho - twinc

 

[twinc]

Lk.3:38 says Adam was the son of God who felt tempted to be like God at Gen.3:5 etc - so think it out for yourself where else he fits in as Lucifer - twinc

 

[YosefHayim]

Lk.3:38 says Adam was the son of God who felt tempted to be like God at Gen.3:5 etc - so think it out for yourself where else he fits in as Lucifer - twinc

He felt tempted, but it was Lucifer which tempted eve and him. And since eve brought the fruit to adam, then you would have to say eve was Lucifer too. But Adam was different than the sonship of Christ. Adam was the first created by God. Christ was the only begotten.

 

[for_his_glory]

Lk.3:38 says Adam was the son of God who felt tempted to be like God at Gen.3:5 etc - so think it out for yourself where else he fits in as Lucifer - twinc

Yes, Adam was the son of God being created from the dust of the ground and God breathed life into Adam making him a living being. Adam did not feel tempted to be like God, but was tempted/enticed to eat of the tree of good and evil. The question is, who temptedenticed Adam, Lucifer or God?

 

[Obadiah]

Lk.3:38 says Adam was the son of God who felt tempted to be like God at Gen.3:5 etc - so think it out for yourself where else he fits in as Lucifer - twinc

By your logic I guess I "fit in as Lucifer" too, since I consider myself a child of God. But in reality, I think your logic is very flawed. I would suggest perhaps getting involved in a good Bible study course with a knowledgeable and reputable teacher whether at your church or perhaps through one of the reputable Bible Colleges or other sources. At least that's what I did and it was truly a blessing.

 

[eddif]

The holy Scriptures written by the hands of men under the inspiration
of God the most high LORD, they are a learning tool for the hungering
spirit, let us consider for a moment the parables of Jesus Christ the King
of kings and LORD of lords.

(Luke 15: 4-10)What man of you, having an hundred sheep (angels), if he (God) loose one of them
(Lucifer), doth he (God) leave the ninety and nine (angels) in the wilderness,
and go after that which is lost (Lucifer), until he (God) find it?

And when he (God) hath found it (Lucifer), he (God) layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
And when he cometh home (heaven), he (God) calleth together his friends (saints)
and neighbours (prophets), saying unto them, rejoice with me (God); for I hath found
my sheep (Lucifer) which was lost.

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner (Lucifer)
that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons (angels)
which need no repentance (salvation).

Either what woman (God) having ten pieces of silver (angels), if she (God)
loose one piece (Lucifer), doth not light a candle (Jesus Christ),
and sweep the house (cross), and seek diligently (Holy Ghost)
till she (God) find it (Lucifer).

And when she (God) hath found it (Lucifer), she (God) calleth her friends (saints)
and neighbours (prophets) together, saying, Rejoice with me (God); for I have
found the piece which I had lost (Lucifer).
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God
over one sinner (Lucifer) that repenteth (salvation).

I challenge every living soul on God's green earth to find a greater
interpretation of the holy text than the one I have provided.
If you think that was something check this out:

(Isaiah 14: 9->)Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at they coming
(becoming a flesh being): it stirreth up the dead for thee,
even all the chief ones of the earth (rulers); it hath raised up from
their thrones all the kings of the nations (U.N).

All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we (humans)?
Art thou become like unto us (human)?

Thy pomp (leadership) is brought down to the grave (earth), the noise of thy viols (praise):
the worm (man) is spread under thee, and the worms (men) cover thee.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (anointed cherub), son of the morning! (son of Jesus who is the bright morning star)
how art thou cut down to the ground (made flesh), which didst weaken the nations.

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne
above the stars (angels) of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation;
in the sides of the north (Zion).

I, at times, try to be involved in symbolism. I try and not stretch it too far. If I ever get too far off the track (narrow way of Jesus) I depend on others to turn me over to satan ( after personal efforts fail).

I think folks are trying to help.

eddif

 

[twinc]

I, at times, try to be involved in symbolism. I try and not stretch it too far. If I ever get too far off the track (narrow way of Jesus) I depend on others to turn me over to satan ( after personal efforts fail).

I think folks are trying to help.

eddif

the serpent was Satan tempting Lucifer to be - the bright and morning star at the dawn of creation that was very good - twinc

 

[Free]

the serpent was Satan tempting Lucifer to be - the bright and morning star at the dawn of creation that was very good - twinc

No.

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[eddif]

Sheep are followers. Sheep without a shepherd are in danger. Sometimes sheep follow a false leader.
Sheep might also be called:
Saints, brothers, beloved, my little flock, etc . If a beloved one goes astray, God seeks restoration. A bleat (maybe repentance) may bring a shepherd. Stubborn behavior may bring punishment.

Angels are messengers:
Good angels bear words from God to man, and carry prayers / requests back to God.
Fallen angels do not bear good messages, but come to help steal kill and destroy.

Good shepherds watch out for the sheep. Jesus (The Good Shepherd died for the sheep). False shepherds are identified as persons to be avoided .

I was born with 12 pair of cranial nerves, but every desire that pricks a nerve messenger is not followed. There are temptations in life that need to be avoided. I am instructed to put to death some desires. Better to limp along with 5 cranial nerves that seek God, Than 24 that run after false pursuits.

A fallen angel will not tell: I was kicked out of heaven.

You might hear: I am from another planet, I bear light from God, I am a god.

Evil will reside in hell. Sheep will be cleansed from evil, if they confess their sins . Peter (prayed for by Jesus) repented and fed sheep again.

I do not think I will get started on goats now ( I do not know enough symbolism yet).

eddif