Why do feel we have to market salvation as free? What are we really appealing to in a man?

[Jethro Bodine]

I see that salvation or justification has resulted in a love that costs me and I’m not afraid of that cost but see it as my chance to GIVE and not merely RECEIVE a free gift.

Not merely?
You don't walk in the obedience of love to receive anything concerning justification/salvation!

You walk in the obedience of love as an expression of the faith that you already have and which has already secured justification/salvation for you.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Okay. Then if the believer is "justified freely" that means they are 'saved freely'. But you keep saying it's not free.

Stop saying that. I never said that.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

No it is not. There is no hint of justification in the OP or title. You diverted it.

No, you said there is NO DIFFERENCE between salvation and justification.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Not merely?
You don't walk in the obedience of love to receive anything concerning justification/salvation!

You walk in the obedience of love as an expression of the faith that you already have and which has already secured justification/salvation for you.

Is that all you can talk about, justification or salvation? That is it? Everything turns on justification and nothing else for you? Every topic has to be brought around to justification?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No, you said there is NO DIFFERENCE between salvation and justification.

There isn't but that is NOT what the thread is about. Read the title and op again.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

There isn't but that is NOT what the thread is about. Read the title and op again.

So why can't I just insert 'justification' in place of 'salvation' in the OP if it's as you say and there is no Biblical distinction betwee the two?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Is that all you can talk about, justification or salvation? That is it? Everything turns on justification and nothing else for you? Every topic has to be brought around to justification?

You obviously forgot the subject of your own thread.

Being "justified freely" is what makes salvation free. You are saved the instant you are freely justified. That's what makes salvation free. The justification you need to be saved is given freely as an act of God's grace apart from works.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You obviously forgot the subject of your own thread.

Being "justified freely" is what makes salvation free. You are saved the instant you are freely justified. That's what makes salvation free. The justification you need to be saved is given freely as an act of God's grace apart from works.

I asked why we we market it as costing nothing when Jesus said it will cost a man everything. You think it is free and costs a man nothing. Move on. Because there are those, including all of the apostles who gave their lives for the Gospel. And they did it gladly. You think it free because you focus on what you get. I repeat, a husband or wife is free but no one who lives in a warm marriage things it means it costs them nothing.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

So why can't I just insert 'justification' in place of 'salvation' in the OP if it's as you say and there is no Biblical distinction betwee the two?

It is like asking the difference between being wed and a wonderful married life together. For those who enjoy that, there is no difference except in timing. For those who just like the wedding but not the commitment, there has to be a difference. Nevertheless there is a difference between and wedding and a marriage.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I asked why we we market it as costing nothing when Jesus said it will cost a man everything.

DISCIPLESHIP/OBEDIENCE will cost you everything, not getting saved. That's a gift given freely to a person when they believe in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You think it is free and costs a man nothing.

I KNOW it doesn't cost anything. The righteousness required to be saved is given as a free gift of God's grace when you trust in that grace.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Because there are those, including all of the apostles who gave their lives for the Gospel.

But not to be made righteous, but as the cost of enduring to the very end in faith, believing. The righteousness they had that qualified them for salvation was given to them as a free gift of God's grace.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You think it free because you focus on what you get.

I think it is free because the Bible tells me it is free, being given as a free gift of God's grace when a person believes the gospel.

 

[jerry63935]

Is that all you can talk about, justification or salvation?

what more is there if your saved you been justified sanctified and glorified .

all of these hinge on our salvation made possible By Jesus the finished works of the cross and of course add all these up it===== GRACE God Riches At Christ Expense. is there anything else to add to it?

 

[jerry63935]

For those who just like the wedding but not the commitment,

no commitment no wedding/marriage just a piece paper called a wedding license . same goes with salvation only no commitment --no salvation

 

[Dorothy Mae]

no commitment no wedding/marriage just a piece paper called a wedding license . same goes with salvation only no commitment --no salvation

Well said. I think Jesus called us to come and follow him through life, not simply get out of hell.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

what more is there if your saved you been justified sanctified and glorified .

all of these hinge on our salvation made possible By Jesus the finished works of the cross and of course add all these up it===== GRACE God Riches At Christ Expense. is there anything else to add to it?

Yes, loving God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength. Same as there is something to add to the marriage after the wedding.

 

[JackrabbitSlim]

No, by definition, there's a big difference. You have to be justified to be saved. Justification is an entirely free gift.


Yes, but that doesn't mean there's no difference between justification and salvation.


It's only optional and unneeded insofar as being transferred from being unrighteous before God to being righteous before God is concerned. The man in Luke 18:13-14 did nothing except ask for God's mercy to be declared righteous.


Just because this is what some people think, that doesn't mean justification and salvation aren't different terms for different things. You don't have to think you can live in unrighteousness after being saved to believe that justification and salvation are different things.

A man is justified - that is, made righteous in God's sight - entirely as a free gift of God's grace given through faith in the Son, apart from the merit of his righteous deeds. Just as that was true for our example, Abraham, who was made righteous by believing God's promise about a Son apart from the merit of his righteous deeds.

Righteous deeds follow being made righteous by God and are a direct result of being made righteous by God, and understandably so. For it is from the new nature of righteousness that we have received that we then live for God in righteousness. And so the obedience of the holy life is the sign and evidence that one is justified in Christ. And without that evidence -the evidence of saving transformation - no one will enter into the kingdom of God at the end of the age when Christ sorts the righteous from the unrighteous.

Two questions: (1) If we indeed need to be justified before salvation, who is the justifier? (2) How is one justified?

 

[jerry63935]

Two questions: (1) If we indeed need to be justified before salvation, who is the justifier? (2) How is one justified?

i hope i am miss reading something justification is the very act of salvation . there is no pre justification to be saved

How is one justified?

by grace by the blood and by faith

You have to be justified to be saved. Justification is an entirely free gift. glad i read this he wrote you have to be be justified TO be Saved is correct

 

[jerry63935]

The sheep were not justified by believing and the goats were not unjustified because they did not believe according to JESUS.

glad i dont have your bible