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Why do you celebrate Christmas?

My dad took me snipe hunting once on a camping trip. I was so excited. Had a blast! I didn't feel betrayed when I found out there is no such thing as snipes; that it's only a sort of rite of passage countless dads have employed on their kids on camping or hunting trips. I carry no baggage from that experience. It was awesome while it lasted.

Decades later, I did the same thing with my son. No baggage. No underlying resentment. He loved the wonder of it all.
I've come to the conclusion that people who don't do the Santa thing at Christmas because they don't want to deceive their kids are actually harboring other reasons why they don't want Santa around. The lying thing being just the excuse they use to destroy Christmas. They're venting and lashing out about some bad experience in their past connected with Christmas or with growing up in general. In other words, they're liberals. :lol
 
So you can see that one can easily worship and commemorate Christ in the old covenant observances. What we are forbidden to do is try to be justified by observing them and erroneously making a law of righteousness out of them again, like the Israelites did. That is what Paul rails against in his letters. But in characteristic knee-jerk fashion, the church stupidly decided that any and all observances of the old covenant methods and timetables of worship was automatically and categorically equal to one trying to be justified by doing them. How ridiculous. But that is what we have inherited from our Jew hating, spirit-less forefathers.

The truth about this is so far removed and suppressed from Christians that very, very few know the truth about Paul's faith vs. works teaching even though it's right under our noses in our Bibles. But that's how indoctrinations work. They blind the eyes to the plain words of scripture right under our noses. This doesn't mean we can't have new celebrations and observances. In this New Covenant we have the freedom to have those. What we don't have to do is get rid of the old ones.
 
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This popped up in the 'recent threads' list this morning:
http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/the-rc-and-ortho-schism.67823/

You can see that the church as early as the beginning of the second century was actively departing from the Jewish celebrations. And causing murderous divisions over it, too.

Also, note Allen Wynne 's response in the second post of the thread. All of us in the church are terribly uninformed about when and why and how we changed our worship observances to what we have today. We grow up thinking it's the way it is in the church (our church, lol) because God instituted all these dates and times and procedures. Not true.

But I still loves Christmas. It's just that the trappings of Christmas themselves are not a religious thing for me. What we call 'Easter' is the religious event of the year for me. But I have the Christian liberty to enjoy whatever I want to enjoy in thankfulness to God. And that I do at this time of year. I thank God for blessed times and people and places I enjoyed in the past at this time of year.

6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.

22The faith (about which day is sacred) which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves." (Romans 14:6,22 NASB parenthesis mine)
 
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I did previous years because its the birth of Jesus. This year as I question my faith I am going along with my family on celebrating the commercial side of Christmas. But haven't decided anything religiously yet. It's four days away so I suppose I should start thinking.
 
The Top 10 Reasons Why I Don't Celebrate Christmas

Christmas is a hugely popular holiday celebrated by some 2 billion people worldwide. It’s become such an ingrained part of modern culture that even people in nations with little or no Christian history or tradition are celebrating it in increasing numbers.

Christmas is so big that it plays a key role in the economies of many nations. In the U.S. retail industry, Christmas shopping season and stores that have been “in the red”—operating at a loss all year—suddenly see their sales shoot up so fast that they are now operating in the black (at a profit) the rest of the year.

So it’s not surprising that I get some pretty shocked looks when I tell people I don’t celebrate Christmas. So here I offer my top 10 reasons for not celebrating Christmas!

1. Christmas is driven by commercialism.
It’s not that difficult to recognize what really drives the holiday in our age. Cal Thomas, an American syndicated columnist who often writes from a Christian perspective, acknowledged uncomfortable truths about Christmas in a December 2003 column.

“I’m not sure it’s worth keeping Christmas anymore,” he began, lamenting that the holiday has become a “road show of reindeer, winter scenes, elves and the God substitute, Santa Claus, who serves as a front for merchants seeking to play on the guilt some parents bear for ignoring their kids the rest of the year.”

He asks a great question: “Why participate any longer in this charade where the focal point of worship has shifted from a babe in a manger to a babe in the Victoria’s Secret window? . . . No room in the inn has been replaced by no room in the mall parking lot.”

But perhaps his most insightful statement is this: “It’s instructive how just one season away from lusting after material things can break the habit. It’s something like liberation from an addiction or lifestyle choice. Being away from it can cause one to realize the behavior is neither missed nor needed for fulfillment and enjoyment."

2. Christmas is nowhere mentioned in the Bible.
This is rather obvious, but most people never give it a second thought. The books of the New Testament cover 30+ years of Jesus Christ’s life, then another 30+ years of the early Church following His death and resurrection, but nowhere do we find any hint of a Christmas celebration or anything remotely like it.

Yes, the Bible does give us quite a few details of His birth—the angelic appearance to Mary and then Joseph, the conditions surrounding His birth in Bethlehem, the heavenly choir’s performance for the shepherds in the fields outside the town. But nowhere in the Bible is there any record of anyone observing Christmas or any hint that God the Father or Jesus Christ expects us to do so.

3. Jesus wasn’t born on or near December 25.
Remember those shepherds who were “living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night”? (Luke 2:8). December weather around Bethlehem is often miserably cold, wet and rainy. No shepherd in his right mind would have kept his flocks outside at night at that time of year!

The Interpreter’s One-Volume Commentary says this passage argues “against the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted” shepherds to be out in the fields with their flocks then.

And Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays tells us that Luke’s account of Christ’s birth “suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night” (p. 309) rather than keeping them outdoors.

Also, Luke 2:1-4 tells us that Jesus was born in Bethlehem because his parents came to that town to register in a Roman census. The Romans were well known as highly efficient administrators. It would have made no sense to have conducted a census in the dead of winter, when temperatures often dropped below freezing and traveling was difficult due to poor road conditions. Taking a census under such conditions would have been self-defeating!

4. The Christmas holiday is largely a recycled pagan celebration.
Consider the customs associated with Christmas. What do decorated evergreen trees, holly, mistletoe, yule logs, a jolly plump man in a fur-lined red suit, sleighs and flying reindeer have to do with the birth of Jesus Christ?

None of these things have anything to do with Him, but they have a lot to do with ancient pagan festivals.

And what about the date of Dec. 25? How did it come to be assigned as the supposed date of Jesus Christ’s birth? Historians Gerard and Patricia Del Re explain:

“The tradition of celebrating December 25 as Christ’s birthday came to the Romans from Persia. Mithra, the Persian god of light and sacred contracts, was born out of a rock on December 25. Rome was famous for its flirtations with strange gods and cults, and in the third century the unchristian emperor Aurelian established the festival of Dies Invicti Solis, the Day of the Invincible Sun, on December 25.

“Mithra was an embodiment of the sun, so this period of its rebirth was a major day in Mithraism, which had become Rome’s latest official religion … It is believed that the emperor Constantine adhered to Mithraism up to the time of his conversion to Christianity. He was probably instrumental in seeing that the major feast of his old religion was carried over to his new faith” ( The Christmas Almanac, 1979, p. 17).

It’s difficult to determine the first time anyone celebrated Dec. 25 as Christmas, but historians generally agree that it was sometime during the fourth century—some 300 years after Christ’s death. And then a contrived date was chosen because it was already a popular pagan holiday celebrating the birth of the sun god!

Similarly, virtually all of the customs associated with Christmas are recycled from ancient pagan festivals honoring other gods.

5. God condemns using pagan customs to worship Him.
Since Christmas is supposedly a day to worship and celebrate God the Father and Jesus Christ, wouldn’t it be a good idea to look into the Bible to see what it says about how we should worship God?

The answer is quite clear. God gives specific instruction about using pagan practices to worship Him— the exact thing Christmas does! Notice what He says in Deuteronomy 12:30-32: “. . . Do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way . . . Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it” .

And lest some think this is simply an Old Testament command that no longer applies, the apostle Paul makes the same point in 2 Corinthians 6, where he addresses whether unbiblical religious customs and practices have any place in the worship of God’s people:

“What fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial [the devil and/or demons]? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God . . .

“Therefore ‘Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you.’ ‘I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty.’ Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God” (2 Corinthians 6:14-18; 2 Corinthians 7:1).

Rather than relabeling pagan customs as Christian, or allowing members of the Church to continue their old pagan practices, the apostle Paul told them in no uncertain terms to leave behind all these forms of worship and worship God in true holiness as He commands. Jesus likewise says His true followers “must worship in spirit and truth” (John 4:24)—not revel in recycled pagan customs and symbolism.
I'am 69 yrs. old, but when I was about 40 yrs. old, I have decided not to celebrate Christmas and The New Year, because of men and women traditions such as the above and below 10 and more reasonable facts.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+7:1-23
 
6. Christmas is worshipping God in vain.
Since Christmas is a jumble of ancient pagan customs invented by men, and a holiday found nowhere in the Bible, does God honor or accept such worship?

Jesus provides the answer in His stern rebuke of the religious teachers of His day, men who had substituted human traditions and teachings for God’s divine truths and commands: “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites . . . ‘in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ . . . All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9).

In the 17th century Christmas was actually outlawed in England and some parts of the American colonies because of its unbiblical and pagan origins. They knew something most people today have forgotten or have never known!

7. You can’t put Christ back into something He was never in.
Some people admit the many problems with Christmas. But rather than face up to those problems, some assert that we should “put Christ back in Christmas.”

However, it’s impossible to “put Christ back in Christmas” since He never was in Christmas in the first place! He never so much as heard the word “Christmas” during His lifetime on earth, nor did His apostles after Him. You can search the Bible cover to cover but you won’t find the words “Christmas,” “Christmas tree,” “mistletoe,” “holly,” “Santa Claus” or “flying reindeer.”

Putting Christ back in Christmas may sound like a nice sentiment, but it’s really only a misguided effort to try to justify a long-standing human tradition rather than what the Bible tells us we should do.

8. The Bible nowhere tells us to observe a holiday celebrating Jesus Christ’s birth —but it clearly does tell us to commemorate His death.
“For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, ‘Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.’

“In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.’ For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes . . . Let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup” (1 Corinthians 11:23-28).

The point is: Jesus clearly expects His true followers to commemorate His death—not His birth—by observing the Passover.

9. Christmas obscures God’s plan for mankind.
Passover, mentioned above, has enormous significance in God’s plan for humanity. The Old Testament Passover, described in Exodus 12, was symbolic of Jesus Christ’s future role and sacrifice. As the blood of the slain Passover lambs on the Israelites’ houses spared them while the firstborn of the Egyptians were slain, so does Jesus Christ’s sacrificial death on our behalf spare us from death— eternal death.

Paul alluded to this great truth when he wrote in 1 Corinthians 5:7 that “Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.” Similarly John the Baptist, speaking under divine inspiration, said of Jesus, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29).

Peter wrote that we are redeemed “with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot” (1 Peter 1:19)—a clear reference to the Passover lambs (Exodus 12:5).

A central key to God’s plan for humanity is Jesus Christ’s sacrificial death on our behalf. He is “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Revelation 13:8)—meaning His death for our sins was planned before the first human beings were ever created (1 Peter 1:18-20). Only through His death to pay the penalty for our sins can human beings receive God’s gift of eternal life (John 3:14-17; Acts 4:12; 1 Corinthians 15:20-22).

Christmas, in contrast, teaches us none of this. Regrettably, because it is a hodgepodge of unbiblical customs and beliefs thrown together with a few elements of biblical truth, it only obscures the incredible purpose of Jesus Christ’s coming—as well as why He must return to earth a second time!

10. I’d rather celebrate the Holy Days Jesus Christ and the apostles observed.
God in His Word sets out many choices for us. Will we do things His way or our own? Will we worship Him as He tells us to, or expect Him to honor whatever religious practices we choose regardless of what His Word says?

It’s always good to ask the question, What would Jesus do? The answer, from the Scriptures, is quite clear as to what Jesus did. Jesus didn’t allow His followers the option of adopting pagan practices in their worship. He and the apostles plainly kept God’s Holy Days and festivals that we find recorded in Leviticus 23.

As noted above, they kept the Passover (1 Corinthians 11:23-26). Scripture shows they also observed the Days of Unleavened Bread (Acts 20:6; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8). The New Testament Church itself was founded on the Feast of Pentecost (Acts 2:1), another biblical festival they clearly observed (Acts 20:16). They likewise kept the Day of Atonement (called “the Fast” in Acts 27:9) and the Feast of Tabernacles (John 7:2; John 7:10).

Christmas, meanwhile, is totally missing from the biblical record.

Most people don’t know that the Bible includes a whole list of festivals that God commanded, that Jesus Himself observed and that the apostles and early Church were still keeping decades after Christ’s death and resurrection. And unlike Christmas, these reveal a great deal about Jesus Christ’s role and mission.

Each one teaches us a vital lesson in what Jesus has done, is doing and will yet do in carrying out God’s great plan for humankind. The differences between these and the tired old paganism and crass commercialism of Christmas is truly like the difference between day and night. Why not look into them for yourself?

I’ve given you my top 10 reasons for not celebrating Christmas. What do you suppose God thinks of your reasons for continuing to observe it?
Thanks for the above reasonable facts, and more I'am sure. The Lord sees and hears everything, and he has everything under his control both small and great, for when the time comes.

http://biblehub.com/psalms/37-25.htm
 
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There is about as much wrong with celebrating Christmas for the birth of Christ as there is wrong with celebrating "Easter" for the resurrection of Christ.
 
I celebrate Christmas because its probably the only one day a year when everyone and everything is chill.

I acknowledge Christ everyday so i dont see Christmas day as anything different religiously speaking.
 
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Mods should ban the politics thread on Christmas day. Its a day of chill and peace. No arguments welcome. Blessed is the Lamb.
 
The best thing Christians can do with Christmas is just enjoy it for what it's worth, in or out of the church, and leave it at that. It's so far removed from it's pagan influences that it's simply a non-issue these days. You have to be told what the pagan influence is in Christmas for you to even then decide if it's right or wrong. And even then there is disagreement on it's exact origins.

I am not so sure about that. When it came to worshipping false gods or placing pictures of them in His temple, God was very clear about His dislike!
Let’s go back to what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 10: “The things which the Gentiles [pagan nations] sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons.”

We are forced by the Scripture to ask a hard question: How much are you willing to drink the cup of the Lord’s table and the cup of the table of demons and conclude that it doesn’t matter to Christ?

Think about what Paul is saying. You want to be a follower of Jesus Christ. You believe in the Bible as the inspired Word of God. Are you willing to go where the Bible takes you?

Satan and his demons are not fairy-tale creatures. They are real. Demons are angels who rebelled against God and, after their rebellion, now embody all that is evil. In another letter Paul wrote that Satan “the god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4). We can’t escape Paul’s logic. Paganism isn’t harmless— it is the worship of demons and the false god of this age!

Imagine a woman repackaging a celebration of an old boyfriend’s birthday and presenting this to her husband as his birthday party on the same date—even though it isn’t his birthday. Pretending it’s someone’s birthday and giving him a party that recalls a wrong past relationship isn’t exhibiting love or respect, is it?

Then why do you believe that you are showing Jesus love and respect when you do the same thing to Him by throwing a party originating in paganism and pretending it’s His birthday?

The Gospel of Luke records a conversation between Jesus and a Samaritan woman. The Samaritans were an interesting people. They claimed to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but rejected many of the teachings of the Old Testament. They refused to worship at the temple in Jerusalem and mixed pagan customs with the worship of the true God.

When Christ’s disciples later came to Samaria to preach the gospel, as recorded in Acts 8, they found a man named Simon. This Simon was a sorcerer who claimed to worship God by using the rites and customs of worshipping demons.

As Jesus confronted the Samaritan woman with the reality of who He is, He told her, “The hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him” (John 4:23).

Again, Jesus Himself said that “the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.” Let that sink in.

Part of the truth here is that Scripture says we are not to try to honor God the way people formerly honored false gods (Deuteronomy 12:29-32). That is unacceptable to Him.
 
Yesterday I had a reality check on why I celebrate Christmas.

I have to be honest. To me Christmas was a time when i thought about Jesus coming to earth, being born.
Over the years I think I lost that concept. I got married, and me and my wife had 4 kids.

For some reason from the day I got married and trying to love my wife and my kids I lost the focus.
I suppose I got sucked into the worlds reason for Christmas. Mainly materiality, giving gifts to show your love.
I think that came from my childhood experiences. Gifts showed you love. During those years my experience of love was gifts. Was never told I was loved, never given a hug by my parents. I had a shocking childhood, and to be honest I would not even wish it on my worst enemy.

Now I'm not like that with my family. I love them deeply and want to bless them with gifts and provision.
When my kids ask me what I want for Christmas I just say "a nice big hug"
When my wife says what would you like for Christmas? I say I have my gift it's you.

So this year what was my reality check?

Two weeks ago my wife's dad went home to Jesus, to me he was more than my Father in Law he was my dad.

Yesterday was our Christmas service. Our family went but I couldn't be in the service as I was duty manager. So I get there early and ensure all is in place for the service.

Anyway as I woke up, had my cup of tea I thought about the Christmas service.

I thought "why do we celebrate Christmas? Why do I celebrate Christmas?

Then it hit me. We celebrate Christmas because God himself came to earth, when Jesus was born then there was hope, a hope that we have not yet see but know is true.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Romans 8:25
But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

Then I thought about my dad. His hope for what he did not see has now been fulfilled.

Revelation 22:4
They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads.

So now my focus has changed.
My celebration will be different.

Hey dad I hope you had turkey yesterday, I knew you loved it.
 
Scripture says we are not to try to honor God the way people formerly honored false gods (Deuteronomy 12:29-32). That is unacceptable to Him.
I'm good then, 'cause Christmas is not a ceremonial vehicle through which I worship God (the resurrection celebration is that for me). Christmas is like the fourth of July, or Thanksgiving for me......it's a time when I celebrate the good things I have in my life and for which I give thanks to God:

"...why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience? 30If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks?" (1 Corinthians 10:29-30 NASB)


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I decided not to celebrate Christmas after long research and prayer. The main reasons for that do not fit into this introduction, so I'll post them right below as reply to this thread.
I kindly ask to read my reasoning first before you post your answer.
Love and peace, Maedchen

After reading and considering the matter, I think I sill love Christmas. The main reason for me is to celibate Jesus coming into the world. If it's not the actual date of His birth, that changes some things, but it doesn't change that it is publicly acceptable to sing hymn like songs celebrating Jesus's birth, and to openly celebrate Jesus's birth with joy and generousity.

On a less higher road kind of reason. It would be hard for me to give up Christmas. I don't see how it can be a bad thing, because the Christians that celebrate Christmas are celebrating Jesus and God's grace and love. Not celebrating the roots that I've been told Christmas stems from. So the rationelle doesn't seem to encourage me to give it up enough to give up the spirit and magic like essence that fills the season and the celebration of Christmas.
 
I know that if I was that one kid whose family didn't do Christmas...
And got angry at everyone trying to get me to celebrate...

I'd still be jealous, envious of toys and fun family time.

I'd take the time off from school but be really bored. I couldn't go to friends House's because they were celebrating...every television show and Netflix show is all about Christmas.

I'd hate everyone...and since misery loves company I'd say and do everything possible to get others to abandon Christmas...

But since I was lied to as a child about Santa I love celebrating Christ's birth and sacrifice of being Emmanuel.

After all...it is the foolish things of this world that confound the "wise".
 
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