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Why the Beast of 666 was really the dead Caesar Neron

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....or perhaps just mere coincidences...

The number “666†is the numerology of Hebrew letters. It serves the same function of symbolism as Roman numerals. It’s called Gematria. In this ancient Gematria, is it just coincidence that 666 so happens to equal the name of “Caesar Neron†the most despised ruler and oppressor of the Jew in the era Revelations which was written? Christians with a deeper understanding of their history will remember writings of him as the ruler who used early Christians as human torches at his parties. Some earlier New Testament copies of Revelations have “616†rather than “666†and using that same Gematria the name numerically is that of “Caesar Nero†his more common used name without the value of “N†which is 50.

Here:

“In both Hebrew and Greek as well as other languages, letters of the alphabet were used as numbers. So names had a certain numerical value. "Nero Caesar" transliterated into the Hebrew from the Greek (Neron Kaiser) adds up to exactly 666 in Hebrew. N=50, R=200, W=6, N=50 plus Q=100, S=60, R=200 totals 666. This spelling of Nero Caesar was found in the discovery of an Aramaic document in Wadi Murabba`at (BASOR 170, 65). The Latin form of "Nero Caesar" when transliterated into Hebrew adds up to 616. This most likely explains the textual variant in Revelation 13:18 with the number 616. It should also be noted that the Greek word for "Beast" when transliterated back into Hebrew adds up to 666. Ancient writers referred to Nero as a "beast" (See Philostratus Vit. Apoll. 4.38; Sib. Or. 5.343; 8.157). For more detailed commentary see Word Biblical Commentary: Revelation 6-16 by David E. Aune."

http://www.bibleandscience.com/history/roman.htm

Could that just be coincidence?

Is it really coincidence that Nero was commonly called a “beast†in by ancient writers of that day? In Revelations there is mention of a woman drunk with blood of the Saints sitting on the seven hills. Is it again coincidence from this era there exist coins depicting Rome as the city sitting on seven hills, in which geographically it actually does?

Check out the coin on the right as shown, Here:

7hills.jpeg



Could that just be coincidence?

It is the rulers of Rome who are (killing) drinking the blood of saints, in other words that eras contemporary Christians, and Nero was one of its rulers. In example, Apollinius of Tyana, who lived at the time of Nero, states:

“In my travels, which have been wider than ever man yet accomplished, I have seen many wild beasts of Arabia and India; but this beast, that is commonly called a Tyrant, I know not how many heads it has, nor if it be crooked of claw, and armed with horrible fangs.... And of wild beasts you cannot say that they were ever known to eat their own mother, but Nero gorged himself on this diet."

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/edmundson/church.ix.html

Hmmm….Nero point blank called a wild beast

Could that just be coincidence?

After Nero’s death there was popular Belief in a Returning Nero; a belief that he had not really died. The legend was so common in that era it was known then and now historically as “Nero Redivivus.†They believed Nero would return from the East with his Parthian armies to destroy Rome and Western culture. Here is the historian Suetonius, and writing from the Sybline Oracles, and the Ascension of Isaiah 4:2-4; supporting that late 1st and early 2nd century belief:

Suetonius, Nero, 57 [early 2nd century]

“"Nero died at the age of 31, on the anniversary of Octavia's murder. In the widespread general rejoicing, citizens ran throught the streets wearing caps of liberty. But there were people who used to lay spring and summer flowers on his grave for a long time, and had statues made of him. . .; they even continued to circulate edicts pretending he was still alive and would soon return to confound his enemies. . . . In fact, twenty years later, when I was a young man, a mysterious individual came forward claiming to be Nero; and so magical was the sound of his name in the Parthians' ears that they supported him to the best of their ability, and only handed him over with great reluctance."“

Sibylline Oracles 5.28 [date: between 80 and 132]

“"One who has fifty as an initial will be commander, a terrible snake, breathing out grievous war, who one day will lay hands on his own family and slay them, and throw everything into confusion, athlete, charioteer, murderer, one who dares ten thousand things. He will also cut the mountain between two seas and defile it with gore. But even when he disappears he will be destructive. Then he will return declaring himself equal to God. But he will prove that he is not.“

Ascension of Isaiah 4:2-4 [date: near the end of 1st century]

“"And after it has been brought to completion, Beliar will descend, the great angel, the king of this world, which he has ruled ever since it existed. He will descend from his firmament in the form of a man, a king of iniquity, a murderer of his mother--this is the king of this world--and will persecute the plant which the twelve apostles of the Beloved will have planted; some of the twelve will be given into his hand. This angel, Beliar, will come in the form of that king, and with him will come all the powers of this world, and they will obey him in every wish. . . .“

In the Nero Kingdom of Rome the only way an individual could conduct commerce was by certifying performance of a pagan sacrifice, hence demonstrating loyalty to the authorities of the Roman Empire, i.e. having to first pay homage to the King; Nero. It was called the “Libellusâ€. They then received this slip of paper showing the approval of the Nero Kingdom. It was Nero’s “Mark†and those trading usually held it in their hands. Remember what Nero was called again? The Beast. They carried the Mark of the Beast.

HERE:

“A libellus (plural libelli) was a document given to a Christian to certify performance of a pagan sacrifice, hence demonstrating loyalty to the authorities of the Roman Empire. They could also mean certificates of indulgence, in which the confessors or martyrs interceded for apostatate Christians.[1]

"Forty-six such certificates have been published, all dating from this same year [250 AD]."[2] This particular year falls into the period of persecution under the emperor Decius. Four libelli were found among the thousands of papyri at the archaeological site near Oxyrhynchus in Egypt (POxy 658, POxy 1464, POxy 2990 and POxy 3929).

Participating in pagan sacrifices was a sin for Christians and punished by excommunication, because the New Testament forbade Christians to either participate in "idol feasts" or to eat "meat sacrificed to idols". However, not participating made one liable to arrest by the Roman authorities. A warrant to arrest a Christian (POxy 3035) was also found at Oxyrhynchus, this too has been dated precisely—to the year 256. The grounds for this arrest are not documented, however, and it predates the persecution under the emperor Valerian I by about a year.
“

Could that just be coincidence?

...and no, I am not a pretreist.

Apocalyptic literature is a genre’ meant to redress a current dilemma, and in this case their treatment under the rule of Rome with a futuristic outcome in the form of literature to provide hope and vindication. So when it comes to Bible interpretation an analogy I like to use is studying the Vietnam War. If you choose to study just the American version of events you will embark on a good start, but yet it’s just the tip of an iceberg. You’d have to in addition look at both North and South Vietnam history, as well as the French, Russia, Japan, heck even China to make sense of it. The same goes with the Bible. If you choose to solely read the Bible and try to make sense of it without reading all the external yet extremely interconnected material found outside the Bible which provides one a better understanding of the culture; their mindset; their paradigm, their literature, it too is just a good start.

Needless to say the Bible is indeed divine, but it wasn't written in a divine vacuum. As inspired as it is, it is a product of its environment to in many casess redress matters of that environment..

God Bless
 
Caesar Neron certainly was a type for antichrist. In the past , many people's gematria came to 666. All of them typse of antichrist, but not the antichrist.

The last antichrist, will be the fulfillment and it will not be just one man , but this time the whole "Babylon" or world outside Christ (everybody who is not manifesting Christ) will be anti......thus: anti-Christ. It certainly will have a man, or men at its head, but they will not be THE antichrist.

When we look at how Jesus created a body for Himself (Body of Christ) we can then easier see how Satan also has created a body for himself (all the rest, which are not in Christ) So , if we understand this, we can then understand when God says that there are only two men in the earth (Christ and antichrist)

Mat 24:40 Then shall two men be in the field; one is taken, and one is left: Mat 13:38 and the field is the world; (Body of Christ and body of antichrist)



In the same way , there are two women (Bride and Harlot) Mat 24:41 two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left.


Grinding at the mill produces flour. Bread come from flour. The Word is the Bread . The Bride serves unleavened Bread. The Harlot adds leaven to hers.
 
Cornelius said:
Caesar Neron certainly was a type for antichrist. In the past , many people's gematria came to 666. All of them typse of antichrist, but not the antichrist.

The last antichrist, will be the fulfillment and it will not be just one man , but this time the whole "Babylon" or world outside Christ (everybody who is not manifesting Christ) will be anti......thus: anti-Christ. It certainly will have a man, or men at its head, but they will not be THE antichrist.

When we look at how Jesus created a body for Himself (Body of Christ) we can then easier see how Satan also has created a body for himself (all the rest, which are not in Christ) So , if we understand this, we can then understand when God says that there are only two men in the earth (Christ and antichrist)

Mat 24:40 Then shall two men be in the field; one is taken, and one is left: Mat 13:38 and the field is the world; (Body of Christ and body of antichrist)



In the same way , there are two women (Bride and Harlot) Mat 24:41 two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left.


Grinding at the mill produces flour. Bread come from flour. The Word is the Bread . The Bride serves unleavened Bread. The Harlot adds leaven to hers.

Notice that all 4 of the people (2 men) (2 woman) are working.....Who do you think the boss is going to be proud of when He returns,,,the man and the woman left working or the man and woman that have left there post......
 
Hitler's Third Reich (or Third Reign of Rome) is the third six of the 666 trilogy. (With the Rome of John's day being the original head # 6, WW I's Second Reich being the 2nd six, and the Third Reich being the third six).
 
interpreter said:
Hitler's Third Reich (or Third Reign of Rome) is the third six of the 666 trilogy. (With the Rome of John's day being the original head # 6, WW I's Second Reich being the 2nd six, and the Third Reich being the third six).

Have you ever enumerated the stones warn smooth over a long period of time??????
 
Cornelius said:
Caesar Neron certainly was a type for antichrist. In the past , many people's gematria came to 666. All of them typse of antichrist, but not the antichrist.

The last antichrist, will be the fulfillment and it will not be just one man , but this time the whole "Babylon" or world outside Christ (everybody who is not manifesting Christ) will be anti......thus: anti-Christ. It certainly will have a man, or men at its head, but they will not be THE antichrist.

When we look at how Jesus created a body for Himself (Body of Christ) we can then easier see how Satan also has created a body for himself (all the rest, which are not in Christ) So , if we understand this, we can then understand when God says that there are only two men in the earth (Christ and antichrist)

Mat 24:40 Then shall two men be in the field; one is taken, and one is left: Mat 13:38 and the field is the world; (Body of Christ and body of antichrist)



In the same way , there are two women (Bride and Harlot) Mat 24:41 two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left.


Grinding at the mill produces flour. Bread come from flour. The Word is the Bread . The Bride serves unleavened Bread. The Harlot adds leaven to hers.

Hi Cornelius,

I agree, Nero is not the antichrist, and I would take it further that he is not any antichrist(s) described in scripture. However it is really not a coincidence that the earliest fragment equates to 616 Gematria of the more popular named used for Caesar Nero. What I was trying to get at is as outlined in the Revelations of Jesus (just for you Vic C) the clues are very pointed and meaningful for those eras under Roman subjugation.

God Bless
 
Until one understands what the word "count" means in the Greek ,,,there is no way to understand the 666 passage........
 
Tabasco Breath said:
[quote="(THE)":1a7s3eav]Until one understands what the word "count" means in the Greek ,,,there is no way to understand the 666 passage........
Well I'm all ears.... :)[/quote:1a7s3eav]

Il try,,,its not the easyiest to explain....

Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

SO God is going to give us wisdom here,,,,but to recieve it we must have understanding and we must count the number of the beast because it is the number of a man....

Lets look at this word "count" for it is the key to understanding this.....

Count is #5585 and means to "calculate by counting the stones that are warn smooth over a long period of time."

What stones ?????

Without making this post too long,,,,I will go ahead and say the stones are the children of satan and we are to know them....There rock is not our Rock....Deuteronomy 32:31 "For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges."

Note----Many believe that Cain (The son of the Devil) died when he was 666,,,now I wont say that for certain but it is something im looking into.......

Basically we are to know who the children of satan (Kenites) are,,,we are to leave them alone ,,but we are to know who they are........
 
(THE) said:
[quote="Tabasco Breath":mjz1weao][quote="(THE)":mjz1weao]Until one understands what the word "count" means in the Greek ,,,there is no way to understand the 666 passage........
Well I'm all ears.... :)[/quote:mjz1weao]

Il try,,,its not the easyiest to explain....

Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

SO God is going to give us wisdom here,,,,but to recieve it we must have understanding and we must count the number of the beast because it is the number of a man....

Lets look at this word "count" for it is the key to understanding this.....

Count is #5585 and means to "calculate by counting the stones that are warn smooth over a long period of time."

What stones ?????

Without making this post too long,,,,I will go ahead and say the stones are the children of satan and we are to know them....There rock is not our Rock....Deuteronomy 32:31 "For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges."

Note----Many believe that Cain (The son of the Devil) died when he was 666,,,now I wont say that for certain but it is something im looking into.......

Basically we are to know who the children of satan (Kenites) are,,,we are to leave them alone ,,but we are to know who they are........[/quote:mjz1weao]

:confused
 
Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

How do you count the number of the beast??????? answer: by counting the stones that are warn smooth over a long period of time."


The problem is,,,,,you probably believe the Greek word "count" is used the way we use it in english,,,,,its not......

The word "count" in the Greek is count = øçößæùpseôphizoôpsay-fid'-zo Strong's #5585
From G5586; to use pebbles in enumeration, that is, (genitive case) to compute:—count.
"Count" comes from the Greek word "psephos".
øyöïò = pseôphos psay'-fos Strong's #5586
From the same as G5584; a pebble (as worn smooth by handling), that is, (by implication of use as a counter or ballot) a verdict (of acquittal) or ticket (of admission); a vote:—stone, voice.

It really comes down to "stones"------ I believe these "stones" represent people........But no matter what you believe,,,, we can cleary see that you have not incorporated the true meaning of the word "count" into your thinking....... :shrug
 
trust me guys, the real anti-christ is yet to come, but is very close at hand. many people in the past were only leading up to this point and "paving" the way for him, but he has yet to come. this event has been planed for a very long time. the ablility for the entire globe to be linked (internet, satelittes and such) is just the edge satan needs to make his "earthly kingdom" a reality. there will be a literal mark of the beast in which you literally will not be able to buy and sell without because it is going to replace all forms of currency, credit cards etc. it will be a global form of money as the world will be goverened by a one world government under control of the satanic elites.
 
read the bible, it speaks of four great beasts in daniel, this was just one of them, the wounded head of the beast is the fall of the roman catholic tryanny, but it will rise with the new SNWO
 
yepimonfire said:
read the bible, it speaks of four great beasts in daniel, this was just one of them, the wounded head of the beast is the fall of the roman catholic tryanny, but it will rise with the new SNWO
It's post-Exilic Jewry apocalptic literature. Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome....not the church.
 
There are nine points that identify the beast in Revelation 13. The only entity that applies to all nine points is the Papacy. According to Revelation 13:17, the number of his name will also be the number of a man. Undoubtedly this refers to the man who heads the beast power. The ancient method of deriving the number of a name is to take the numerical value of all letters and add them up to get the sum. If we want to apply this test to the papacy, we must find the official name of the pope, who is the head of his church. If this is the number of a man, it would naturally be the man who is the head of the organization.
The official Latin title for the pope, a title which has been granted by the Church itself. This title is found repeatedly in the publications of Rome. The weekly Catholic newspaper, Our Sunday Visitor, of April 1915, have the interesting statement that the letters of the official title are inscribed in the pope’s miter. Here is the actual quotation: “The letters inscribed in the pope’s miter are these; Vicarius Filii Dei, which is the Latin for ‘Vicar of the Son of God.’ The words are incorporated into the coronation ceremonies of each newly crowned pope.
So with this official name of the pope in hand we can proceed to apply the test of the Scripture. How do we derive the number of his name? By getting the numerical value of the Roman numerals of the title Vicarius Filii Dei, we actually come to a definite number 666. Notice how it is worked out below as each letter is given its numerical value:

Vicarius Filii Dei:

V - 5
I - 1
C - 100
A - 0
R - 0
I - 1
U OR V - 5
S - 0
_______
112

F - 0
I - 1
L - 50
I - 1
I - 1
_______
53

D - 500
E - 0
I - 1
_______
501

112 + 53 + 501 = 666
 
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