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I've recently been suffering a crisis of faith following my studies of the unforgivable sin. I'm now 26, but when I was 17 or 18, I was in a relationship with a girl, and she was holding to what I now understand to be biblical abstinence. I have counted myself a Christian for years and was baptized at this time. I immorally desired to be sexually intimate with her, and was under the influence of people on internet message boards like 4chans false teachings about the apostle Paul. I wrongly believed that much of the Bible's sexual prohibitions came from Paul. Both because I believed that Paul was not a rightful part of the Bible, and because I was filled with evil lust, I told my girlfriend that I thought Paul probably didn't belong in the Bible and was a later addition which didn't match with Jesus' teachings. I understand how ridiculous this sounds, since Jesus also condemned sexual immorality, but I digress. This did not end up leading to us doing anything, and she retained her virginity, but years later I heard she became an atheist. I worry that by saying I disbelieved Paul I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and God has forsaken me. Eternal damnation is bad enough but I feel like I have betrayed the King I love with finality and that he doesn't want me back. It makes me tear up just thinking about it. I didn't even cry when I learned my dad committed suicide. It feels like all my worldly experiences and family relationships are for naught. I so desperately want to get back in God's good graces and to live as an organ of the Christian church body, but I feel like going back would make me a fraud. I'm not suicidal but life seems to have lost it's luster. Am I too late to be saved?

Edit: I've also struggled continuously with pornography and on occasion have even thought what I was doing was wrong before I did it, but used porn anyway. I think this is a serious sin which I also struggle with, but it does not seem as worrisome as what I've previously mentioned.
 
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I've recently been suffering a crisis of faith following my studies of the unforgivable sin. I'm now 26, but when I was 17 or 18, I was in a relationship with a girl, and she was holding to what I now understand to be biblical abstinence. I have counted myself a Christian for years and was baptized at this time. I immorally desired to be sexually intimate with her, and was under the influence of people on internet message boards like 4chans false teachings about the apostle Paul. I wrongly believed that much of the Bible's sexual prohibitions came from Paul. Both because I believed that Paul was not a rightful part of the Bible, and because I was filled with evil lust, I told my girlfriend that I thought Paul probably didn't belong in the Bible and was a later addition which didn't match with Jesus' teachings. I understand how ridiculous this sounds, since Jesus also condemned sexual immorality, but I digress. This did not end up leading to us doing anything, and she retained her virginity, but years later I heard she became an atheist. I worry that by saying I disbelieved Paul I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and God has forsaken me. Eternal damnation is bad enough but I feel like I have betrayed the King I love with finality and that he doesn't want me back. It makes me tear up just thinking about it. I didn't even cry when I learned my dad committed suicide. It feels like all my worldly experiences and family relationships are for naught. I so desperately want to get back in God's good graces and to live as an organ of the Christian church body, but I feel like going back would make me a fraud. I'm not suicidal but life seems to have lost it's luster. Am I too late to be saved?

Edit: I've also struggled continuously with pornography and on occasion have even thought what I was doing was wrong before I did it, but used porn anyway. I think this is a serious sin which I also struggle with, but it does not seem as worrisome as what I've previously mentioned.
The sin that cannot be forgiven is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
You didn't do that, as far as I can tell from your post.
If you are concerned about salvation, it starts with a total, permanent "turn from" all sin.
Repent, Peter commanded in Acts 2:38.
Without that first move, there will never be any progress towards heaven.
 

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I've recently been suffering a crisis of faith following my studies of the unforgivable sin. I'm now 26, but when I was 17 or 18, I was in a relationship with a girl, and she was holding to what I now understand to be biblical abstinence. I have counted myself a Christian for years and was baptized at this time. I immorally desired to be sexually intimate with her, and was under the influence of people on internet message boards like 4chans false teachings about the apostle Paul. I wrongly believed that much of the Bible's sexual prohibitions came from Paul. Both because I believed that Paul was not a rightful part of the Bible, and because I was filled with evil lust, I told my girlfriend that I thought Paul probably didn't belong in the Bible and was a later addition which didn't match with Jesus' teachings. I understand how ridiculous this sounds, since Jesus also condemned sexual immorality, but I digress. This did not end up leading to us doing anything, and she retained her virginity, but years later I heard she became an atheist. I worry that by saying I disbelieved Paul I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and God has forsaken me. Eternal damnation is bad enough but I feel like I have betrayed the King I love with finality and that he doesn't want me back. It makes me tear up just thinking about it. I didn't even cry when I learned my dad committed suicide. It feels like all my worldly experiences and family relationships are for naught. I so desperately want to get back in God's good graces and to live as an organ of the Christian church body, but I feel like going back would make me a fraud. I'm not suicidal but life seems to have lost it's luster. Am I too late to be saved?

Edit: I've also struggled continuously with pornography and on occasion have even thought what I was doing was wrong before I did it, but used porn anyway. I think this is a serious sin which I also struggle with, but it does not seem as worrisome as what I've previously mentioned.
Any sin that you commit, that you feel Godly sorrow for afterwards, can be forgiven by God.

Sins that can't be forgiven, are those that you commit and don't ask forgiveness for.

For example a person who commits suicide can't ask for forgiveness for doing so After they succeed.

Anything you do in this life and you are genuinely sorry for doing it, He will forgive you for it. When you repent of it, and ask Him to forgive you for it. He will.
 

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I've recently been suffering a crisis of faith following my studies of the unforgivable sin. I'm now 26, but when I was 17 or 18, I was in a relationship with a girl, and she was holding to what I now understand to be biblical abstinence. I have counted myself a Christian for years and was baptized at this time. I immorally desired to be sexually intimate with her, and was under the influence of people on internet message boards like 4chans false teachings about the apostle Paul. I wrongly believed that much of the Bible's sexual prohibitions came from Paul. Both because I believed that Paul was not a rightful part of the Bible, and because I was filled with evil lust, I told my girlfriend that I thought Paul probably didn't belong in the Bible and was a later addition which didn't match with Jesus' teachings. I understand how ridiculous this sounds, since Jesus also condemned sexual immorality, but I digress. This did not end up leading to us doing anything, and she retained her virginity, but years later I heard she became an atheist. I worry that by saying I disbelieved Paul I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and God has forsaken me. Eternal damnation is bad enough but I feel like I have betrayed the King I love with finality and that he doesn't want me back. It makes me tear up just thinking about it. I didn't even cry when I learned my dad committed suicide. It feels like all my worldly experiences and family relationships are for naught. I so desperately want to get back in God's good graces and to live as an organ of the Christian church body, but I feel like going back would make me a fraud. I'm not suicidal but life seems to have lost it's luster. Am I too late to be saved?

Edit: I've also struggled continuously with pornography and on occasion have even thought what I was doing was wrong before I did it, but used porn anyway. I think this is a serious sin which I also struggle with, but it does not seem as worrisome as what I've previously mentioned.
It's natural to feel that way.
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I worry that by saying I disbelieved Paul I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and God has forsaken me.
It seems that from what you're saying you were deceived.
Failures of weakness and ignorance can be forgiven.
What can't be forgiven is the sin that is the result of a conscious decision to be in unbelief about Jesus and the gospel of forgiveness. Because you can't have the benefit of the forgiveness of God that you do not believe and trust in. It doesn't sound like that's where you're at.
 

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Could you please explain what you mean a little further?
We all have a sex drive, otherwise, the human race would not exist. I suspect there is no one in the whole world who does not have the same feelings as you, and by the way, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. So do not worry, what you feel is perfectly normal and we are all tempted, so you are not alone. The only advice I can think to give is for you to try and live a life that is pleasing to God and if you cannot do that the whole time, remember the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
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I've recently been suffering a crisis of faith following my studies of the unforgivable sin. I'm now 26, but when I was 17 or 18, I was in a relationship with a girl, and she was holding to what I now understand to be biblical abstinence. I have counted myself a Christian for years and was baptized at this time. I immorally desired to be sexually intimate with her, and was under the influence of people on internet message boards like 4chans false teachings about the apostle Paul. I wrongly believed that much of the Bible's sexual prohibitions came from Paul. Both because I believed that Paul was not a rightful part of the Bible, and because I was filled with evil lust, I told my girlfriend that I thought Paul probably didn't belong in the Bible and was a later addition which didn't match with Jesus' teachings. I understand how ridiculous this sounds, since Jesus also condemned sexual immorality, but I digress. This did not end up leading to us doing anything, and she retained her virginity, but years later I heard she became an atheist. I worry that by saying I disbelieved Paul I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and God has forsaken me. Eternal damnation is bad enough but I feel like I have betrayed the King I love with finality and that he doesn't want me back. It makes me tear up just thinking about it. I didn't even cry when I learned my dad committed suicide. It feels like all my worldly experiences and family relationships are for naught. I so desperately want to get back in God's good graces and to live as an organ of the Christian church body, but I feel like going back would make me a fraud. I'm not suicidal but life seems to have lost it's luster. Am I too late to be saved?

Edit: I've also struggled continuously with pornography and on occasion have even thought what I was doing was wrong before I did it, but used porn anyway. I think this is a serious sin which I also struggle with, but it does not seem as worrisome as what I've previously mentioned.
The Unforgivable Sin of which Jesus warned his opponents in the pre-Christian age (what I call Level 2), was unforgivable while they remained resisting the Holy Spirit’s messianic mission. They were not Christians and were subjectively, rejecting merely Jesus the man, Jesus the exorcist. Objectively they were rejecting the spirit behind the son of man, so were unable to enter the then age to come, the messianic age which his death introduced, and which they had hoped to enter. It may well be that some of those very pharisees heeded his warning and later became Christians. From my reading of you’re a/c, you’ve come into that messianic kingdom (what I call Level 3).

Apropos the girl, she has had to make up her own heart & mind viz-à-vis messiah. Many factors will have gone into her current choice (including your misleadings), and many more factors might lead to her revisiting it and upgrading it into Christianity (L3). Either way, her choice is, I’d argue, incidental to her ultimate destination (Level 4).

Two books (among many) worth your while reading, are by Dr. John White: “Eros Defiled”, and “Masks of Melancholy”.

C S Lewis said that war was the aggravation of the normal human situation. Similarly, I think, porn is the aggravation of the normal/fallen human situation. It’s like a cell & virus: we can 'use' porn and porn can 'use' us. John White (from memory), used the illustration of our minds being like knotted balls of wool. Sometimes it’s better to begin with the easiest knot, and work through them systematically one by one, with the spirit’s help.

In “Revisiting The Pilgrim’s Progress” (Steve H Hakes 2022 – ch.17 ‘Shadow Within Without’), Christian is oppressed by blasphemies going around and around his head, doubts God’s welcome, but discovers light at the end of that dark Shadow of the Valley of Death.
 

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I've recently been suffering a crisis of faith following my studies of the unforgivable sin. I'm now 26, but when I was 17 or 18, I was in a relationship with a girl, and she was holding to what I now understand to be biblical abstinence. I have counted myself a Christian for years and was baptized at this time. I immorally desired to be sexually intimate with her, and was under the influence of people on internet message boards like 4chans false teachings about the apostle Paul. I wrongly believed that much of the Bible's sexual prohibitions came from Paul. Both because I believed that Paul was not a rightful part of the Bible, and because I was filled with evil lust, I told my girlfriend that I thought Paul probably didn't belong in the Bible and was a later addition which didn't match with Jesus' teachings. I understand how ridiculous this sounds, since Jesus also condemned sexual immorality, but I digress. This did not end up leading to us doing anything, and she retained her virginity, but years later I heard she became an atheist. I worry that by saying I disbelieved Paul I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and God has forsaken me. Eternal damnation is bad enough but I feel like I have betrayed the King I love with finality and that he doesn't want me back. It makes me tear up just thinking about it. I didn't even cry when I learned my dad committed suicide. It feels like all my worldly experiences and family relationships are for naught. I so desperately want to get back in God's good graces and to live as an organ of the Christian church body, but I feel like going back would make me a fraud. I'm not suicidal but life seems to have lost it's luster. Am I too late to be saved?

Edit: I've also struggled continuously with pornography and on occasion have even thought what I was doing was wrong before I did it, but used porn anyway. I think this is a serious sin which I also struggle with, but it does not seem as worrisome as what I've previously mentioned.
Well first lets just toss out "blaspheme". Its not something one asks about if they did it. What you need to do is what we all need to have to do. That is just take Christ as His word. He said there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. John 3:17 He didn't come to condemn the world but to save it. Think about that. He does not condemn you. All believers are just like you in that were all human fighting this flesh which loves to loves to sin. We can not walk this walk with out Christ. If we try we will always fall always see the sin. Take your eyes off the sin. Now GET UP! Dust off keep going. That means confess what you did wrong now you have to take Him at His word that means when you told Him your sorry (Repented) Hs is faithful and just to forgive you or your sins and cleanses you from all unrighteousness.

Yes I know there are times in our lifes we get stuck in some sin. Oh I can't say this next part strong enough.. NEVER run away from Him. No matter what you did RUN TO HIM! Your not alone.. See you see the sin the Father looks at you and sees Christ what Christ did on the cross. You believe in Jesus Christ king of kings lord of lords and because of that you are right now righteous (righteousness) and holy. Its not what you did or didn't do. Its what Christ did already. Your belief in Him. Like Abraham he believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.

Paul said .. man the things I want to do should do I don't do. The things I should not do I do. Its no longer I that sin but sin that is in me. You are a new creation created in Christ Jesus old is put off cast off. We put on the new man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. We have been freed from sin. Sin no longer has a hold on us. What that means is there is no sin that can control you. We are no longer slaves to sin. There is no sin God holds against me. Now that does not mean I can freely sin. But lean on HIM! Run to HIM stop trying to do this alone.

No one can walk this walk with out Christ. So tell Him what you did wrong and do a 180 not 360 :) that part hurts. Well it should never be easy it hurts knowing He is smiling at you arms open telling "this is why I died for you". So let Him hold you and the part that hurts in other words is you have to forgive your self. If there are things that we know we should not be around that cause us to fall.. we need to get ride of them. Give everything every problem to Him KNOW no matter how you feel He is for you and loves you and never condemns you. Real Luke 11:13.. do what He says there
 
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It seems that from what you're saying you were deceived.
Failures of weakness and ignorance can be forgiven.
What can't be forgiven is the sin that is the result of a conscious decision to be in unbelief about Jesus and the gospel of forgiveness. Because you can't have the benefit of the forgiveness of God that you do not believe and trust in. It doesn't sound like that's where you're at.
I'm worried though, since at least part of the reason for my denial came from my selfish sexual desires. While part of it was the stupid beliefs I had internalized, I worry that I made a grave error. In other words, wasn't the place I came from in telling my ex those things at least somewhat malicious, since it came from a selfish place, maybe even more than from a place of ignorance? I know that once I learned more about Paul, and realized the indispensable part he played in the church and the respect the apostles had for him, I recanted my thoughts regarding him, but is that enough?
 

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wasn't the place I came from in telling my ex those things at least somewhat malicious, since it came from a selfish place, maybe even more than from a place of ignorance?
Maybe, but it's still nothing that God won't forgive. You didn't commit blasphemy of the Spirit, IMO.

I recanted my thoughts regarding him, but is that enough?
Based on my understanding of the situation, yes, I think that is enough.
 
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Thank you to everyone for your kind and helpful words, you are all genuinely getting me through this. I had a very moving prayer on my drive home from the gym. I'm going to talk to my pastor about this tomorrow and hopefully he'll help me get to the best mental place I can be.
 
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You haven't commited unforgivable sin.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is calling the works of God evil and from the devil. That's what scripture says it is. The Holy Spirit was doing miracles even raising the dead, and some people said it was bezelbub, the prince of devils. Calling the Holy Spirits works of the devil. No Christian is blaspheming the Spirit.


Christianity is based on the resurrection of Christ through the Holy Spirit. I don't know anyone who believes Jesus rose from the dead through the devil. Without the belief of Jesus raising from the dead there is no Christianity and no onw who believes Jesus rose from the dead believes it was the works of the devil.

And for those with wisdom it's not hard to see false prophets and teachers and false miracles and manipulating that is not of the Holy Spirit. I'm not talking about pastors or a teacher who makes honest mistakes, I mean for some and who know there scriptures they can smell a wolf in sheeps clothing a mile away and know when to wipe the dust off there feet.
 
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Christianity is based on the resurrection of Christ through the Holy Spirit.
This is NOT Truth. The Holy Spirit did not raise Jesus, the Father did.

Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Mar_16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Act_7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.


The Father Raised Jesus from the dead. The Holy Spirit did NOT do that. Not saying the Holy Spirit did not have a hand in it or helped in some way, only saying it was the Father in Heaven that raised Jesus from the dead, the Holy Spirit may have helped, but did NOT raise Jesus from the dead, His FATHER did that.
 

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This is NOT Truth. The Holy Spirit did not raise Jesus, the Father did.

Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Mar_16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Act_7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.


The Father Raised Jesus from the dead. The Holy Spirit did NOT do that. Not saying the Holy Spirit did not have a hand in it or helped in some way, only saying it was the Father in Heaven that raised Jesus from the dead, the Holy Spirit may have helped, but did NOT raise Jesus from the dead, His FATHER did that.
Isn't God "the Holy Spirit"?
 

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Mark chapter 13 and Matthew chapter 10, Only Gods Elect can commit the unpardonable sin. All sins are forgivable by repentance to Jesus. You did this out of ignorance. Corinthians chapter 6, light and darkness have nothing in common. Stay away from atheists and Christians who are spiritually dead. They will impede on your spiritual growth. Just repent for sins to God and be forgiven. Find teacher who is able to teach sound doctrine. I recommend shepherds chapel, their on you tube. James chapter 1, Ask God for wisdom and knowledge. Study the bible. And avoid people who would influence you or interfere with your spiritual growth. Proverbs, if you seek out the wise, you will become wise. But a companion of fools will be ruined. Think it over.
 
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This is NOT Truth. The Holy Spirit did not raise Jesus, the Father did.

Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Mar_16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Act_7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.


The Father Raised Jesus from the dead. The Holy Spirit did NOT do that. Not saying the Holy Spirit did not have a hand in it or helped in some way, only saying it was the Father in Heaven that raised Jesus from the dead, the Holy Spirit may have helped, but did NOT raise Jesus from the dead, His FATHER did that.



1 Peter 3:18

Romans 8:11
 
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Isn't God "the Holy Spirit"?

1Jn_5:7 For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the 1) Father, the 2) Word (Jesus), and the 3) Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
1) Father, and of the 2) Son, and of the 3) Holy Ghost:

All three are separate entities. This does not have to confusing to understand.

Mat_19:5-6 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be ONE flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but ONE flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Husband + Wife = ONE Flesh.

The Father + Jesus + Holy Spirit = ONE.
The Father + Jesus + Holy Spirit + us Saints = ONE.

Joh_17:22-23 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

The Holy Spirit is God.
The Father is God.
The Son, Jesus is God.
And those who are Born of God, are God.
 

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The Holy Spirit is God.
The Father is God.
The Son, Jesus is God.
And those who are Born of God, are God.
Do you not believe in One God?
You have three gods, God the Holy Spirit, God the Father, and God the Son.
The error is compounded in the trinitarian diagram by separating one from the other with the word NOT.

Sorry WIP. I responded before remembering this is not a discussion thread.
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