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Re: The Worker Vs. The Non-worker Who Believes
"Through" isn't "by". And it isn't I who conditions salvation on faith. As you've quoted-its an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
Titus 3:5 doesn't even mention law. And "righteousness" appears many, many times neglecting "law". So this whole associative chain is bankrupt. You've only demonstrated that you don't have a case.
In fact Eph 2:8-9 has salvation excluding works; Romans 4:4-5 has righteousness excluding works...
Does Jesus do the saving or the man's works?
Further afield, there's not enough information to conclude whether the person has come to the faith that saves. Jesus instructs His Church that we're to accept him on grounds that there's nothing counter to the assertion that he is saved. But Jesus...
On a practical level, a faith that does not in time result in works that faith is indeed a dead faith. There are things called "faith" in Greek that don't save.
But faith and not working, that justifies us before God. Rom 4:4-5 And by grace are we saved, not from works, through faith for works...
And it also leads us to question why, if other Apostolic tradition churches saw the books as antilegomena, why the same latitude wouldn't be afforded Luther(ans).
What does "save" mean?
Yet in Romans 4:4-5 Paul denies that justification is by works. Abraham. Pre-law.
Butch say wha ...? James says he's going to show you something by showing you something that results from it. Faith brings about works, works can be seen, therefore works show the unseen...
Scofield: James' theme, then, is "religion" (Gr., threskeia, "outward religious service") as the expression and proof of faith. He does not exalt works as against faith, but faith as producing works. His style is that of the Wisdom-books of the O.T.
I don't side with Scofield on much, but this...
He also discovered the views of other reformers at later times and softened his own view. I've never seen James as an appendix, though.
Luther's first foreword to James in his German translation contained his initial negative evaluation of the book. That changed with collaboration among other...
The way this is phrased, Paul is saying we're not saved by righteous deeds, right?
Would deeds of no moral value cause God to respond with salvation?
How about unrighteous -- that is, evil deeds?
The point is, only righteous deeds would even be under consideration by Paul. The others are...
That you believe "faith alone" is faith that is bereft of what it naturally results in. It was never intended as such, and such an attack was considered silly the day Roman Catholics attempted to imply it into the argument.
Paul is talking about actions which people naturally assume result in...
Oh, and I pretty-much agree with you that Abraham didn't know Jesus any more clearly than the historical record shows: the promises of God and focusing, relying intently on what God promised.
I do agree with Perseverance as a doctrine -- which is technically "once actually saved, always saved."...
Nope.
"sola fide" is not some kind of absolutist slice. It was a response. A response to the assertion that Roman Catholicism presented. It was a response to the assertion that faith plus works brought salvation. The response was, "Not works, but only faith saves." "sola fide".
It's just not...
Sure I am. Because (again), Paul says "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness" Rom 4:5 NASB By "works" Paul splits it from "faith". And by "faith" Paul means not "works + faith", but "faith alone". That's where the...
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