2 beast, two Babylons

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Yes, I agree Noah knew the time as God did tell him. We too know the timing of Christ return, Matthew 24:27-31; Rev 1:7, but not the day nor the hour, Matthew 24:36. I did misunderstand what you said about not being ready and thank you that you explained that in a better way as we always need to be about our Fathers business until Christ does return. Believe you me I am paying very close attention not only to our country, USA, but all nations around the world.

Whether in our lifetime or not it will not be long until the son of perdition, being the greatest false prophet of all, 2Thessalonians 2:1-12, in whom the beast out of the sea who is the governing militant power behind all the nations economic, religious and political system gives power to the beast out of the earth who will take his seat on the throne sitting on the very Temple Mount that Gods Shekinah glory once filled the former Temple that was built under Ezra’s leadership that will never be built again by hands, Rev 13; Matthew 24:1,2.

Even now he works his iniquities, 2Thessalonians 2:7, as he always has from the time of Babylon to the coming of mystery Babylon that will be revealed to all in the end of days. When you study Daniel Chapter 7 and understand the meaning of the four beast (the fourth beast received a deadly wound, but the deadly wound was healed ,Rev 13:3), the little horn and the ten horns then mystery Babylon will be revealed to you as what and who the abomination is that causes desolation that we are warned to flee from, Matthew 24:15,16, that even now works her iniquity and will be destroyed in the end of days.

The head wound is spoken of throughout the text. It is not the wound of a flesh man, but of our adversary, deemed by God from the beginning:

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This is spoken of Jesus wounding or bruising the head of Satan, the serpent.

Psalm 68:21
But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

Psalm 110:6
He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

Isaiah 1:6
From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

(this shows these bruises/wounds are not external)

Habakkuk 3:13
Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[for_his_glory]

The head wound is spoken of throughout the text. It is not the wound of a flesh man, but of our adversary, deemed by God from the beginning:

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This is spoken of Jesus wounding or bruising the head of Satan, the serpent.

Psalm 68:21
But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses.

Psalm 110:6
He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

Isaiah 1:6
From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

(this shows these bruises/wounds are not external)

Habakkuk 3:13
Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

The head that was wounded to death in Rev 13:3 has nothing to do with anything being bruised in all those scriptures you gave, nor does it have to do with one particular person as it's a nation as being an Empire that was wounded to dead and then was healed (revived) again.

Rev 13:3 the deadly wound came to Roman rule as there government ruled from 538 AD with Emperor Justinian’s decree and under the military protection of Belisarius until the deadly wound came in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the Roman government and established a secular one. This was the time when Rome persecuted the Christians and killed them which were approximately 500 million people slain for the cause of their faith in Jesus. Napoleon had closed down the religious dictatorship and its power was thought to be forever broken. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave that power back and established Rome as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty.

 

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The head bruising if Satan is not open for the flesh to see.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Even now he works his iniquities, 2Thessalonians 2:7, as he always has from the time of Babylon to the coming of mystery Babylon that will be revealed to all in the end of days. When you study Daniel Chapter 7 and understand the meaning of the four beast (the fourth beast received a deadly wound, but the deadly wound was healed ,Rev 13:3), the little horn and the ten horns then mystery Babylon will be revealed to you as what and who the abomination is that causes desolation that we are warned to flee from, Matthew 24:15,16, that even now works her iniquity and will be destroyed in the end of days.

Agreed.

 

[for_his_glory]

The head bruising if Satan is not open for the flesh to see.

???

 

[for_his_glory]

Agreed.

See, we can agree at times

 

[ezrider]

EZ, The question was to you. Is it well with your soul. As for me, I'am unmovable in His assurance but at times I'am hindered by the flesh interfering with the joy of my salvation.

It is rather obvious to me that we are pretty much talking past each other, and from many of your responses you seem more interested in word game and semantics. You are not a follower of Jesus...... You are not ready because he is not ready......? How is it the He is not ready if the works have been finished before the foundations of the world? But let me assure you of one thing Douglas, my salvation is not in your hands, so you need not concern yourself with such things. Although it seems like my joy has turned to sorrow, I am at peace in the garden of God, and I am content to sit under my own vine and my own fig tree, nourished by the living waters and the tree of life. But I too have eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the law of sin and death. And the knowledge of my death fills my members, but when the Lord called to me, I sought no more covering for my shame, but admitted freely that I had eaten the fruit that leads to the knowledge of sin and death; but in the face of that death, I found mercy and grace, and then did I begin to understand faith; the knowledge of sin is something that remains, but I am dead to it, for its power over death has been swallowed up in victory.

I could say that we are at different place in our walk with the Lord. We all come from many paths that take us by many ways. Some come from the north, others from the east, some from lands nears and far. While we seek a common destination, our own paths are varied an unique. Sometimes our paths may cross, where we might stop for a moment to share our joys and sorrows in the Lord with one another, but often times our paths separate over one issue or another. None the less, I trust that Lord has you in his care, and he will lead you down the paths that you must go. You said you are not ready for his coming, because He is not ready. But I just do not look for the coming of the Lord in the same manner as you. I do not look for the coming of the image of a man that I might worship, I do not look for the coming of some Man of Sin either. I look to the Spirit of Christ and his presence within me.

So as our path do cross, I can only say, may peace be with you on your journey friend, for I shall now go sit again under my own vine and my own fig tree in the garden of God.

 

[eddif]

Colossians 1:18 KJV
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Jesus suffered:
Beard plucked out
Crown of thorns
Beating
Whip that pierced his kidneys (some may not agree)
Bones out of joint
Hands pierced
Feet pierced
Side pierced

The king of kings (our head) was killed, but he arose for eternity. Some still do not worship him.

Satan was placed in captivity for a time, but when he is released for a season some will worship him.

Scripture gets turned upside down often. Satan tries to rise above Jesus Christ, but the suffering of Jesus bore our sins for eternity. The counterfeit seems more logical to the deceived than the reality / body of Jesus.

Jesus is the body that cast shadows.

Mississippi redneck jerk
eddif

 

[Sinthesis]

Whip that pierced his kidneys

???

 

[eddif]

Lamentations 3:13 KJV
He hath caused the arrows of his quiver to enter into my reins.

I Peter 2:24 KJV
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Nehemiah 13:25 KJV
And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves.

Deuteronomy 25:2 KJV
And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number.

Psalms 7:9 KJV
Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

Matthew 27:26 KJV
Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

I wish I had this more together.
Jesus was to be the husband of Jew and Gentile alike.
He bore the curse of the Law for us
The heart supplied good; the kidneys remove waste
The scourge contained sharp objects to pierce


The removal of sin is best symbolized (IMHO) by kidneys. KJV uses plural where other versions sometimes use heart or inner parts.

To me there is much probability the washing of the blood is a significant symbol created by God. The kidneys filter out waste products.

This all is a 30 plus year meditation on my part. Some versions use kidneys for reins.

Jesus was declared innocent / clean to be a sacrifice (in a secular court).

Symbolism is just strange at times.

eddif

 

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The head that was wounded to death in Rev 13:3 has nothing to do with anything being bruised in all those scriptures you gave, nor does it have to do with one particular person as it's a nation as being an Empire that was wounded to dead and then was healed (revived) again.

Rev 13:3 the deadly wound came to Roman rule as there government ruled from 538 AD with Emperor Justinian’s decree and under the military protection of Belisarius until the deadly wound came in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the Roman government and established a secular one. This was the time when Rome persecuted the Christians and killed them which were approximately 500 million people slain for the cause of their faith in Jesus. Napoleon had closed down the religious dictatorship and its power was thought to be forever broken. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave that power back and established Rome as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty.

Your sights seem heavily intent on external applications to various external fleshly powers with just about all matters of Revelation.

The wounding or brusing of Satan's head does not appear to us in the physical external senses because the one being bruised is not physically apparent. Nor do adverse spiritual beasts appear, themselves, in the physical. Take a step back from the fleshly applications and get at the unseen, which Revelation addresses.

 

[eddif]

In high school I declared I would never be involved in the metaphysical. So as years passed I began to look at the spiritual side. So much so I denied the physical.

My wife declared me "so spiritually minded that you are no earthly good". Of course I countered with you are "so physically minded you are no spiritual good".

Meta - Physical

Physical / concrete / sense discernible.

Meta / spiritual reality beyond physical (keyed by seeing the physical).

Physical:
Thou shall not muzzle ox treading out grain

Spiritual:
A preacher taking the husk off strange sounding bible passages (so you can understand), should not be starved.

Jesus was not exactly the ox. To the multitudes he spoke in parables, and thus concealed the truth. To the disciples in private he told about mens hearts receiving the word (spiritual).

Now here we come with greater works unwinding truths hid in nature from the foundation of the world.

Is there a physical? Yes!
Is there a spiritual beyond the physical? Yes!

The problem lies in finding a good ox that is doing his job. Ok preacher take off the seed coat and lets me decide if I want:
Hominy
Course ground corn
Fine flour
Corn grits

Preacher I will let the Holy Spirit direct (not private interpretation but biblical principles). Please do not feed me what you learned in seminary (that a heretic wrote).

Check the ox out. Is it GMO corn. Is the corn so processed there are no vitamins left? An ox is not a chef.

Rednecks git ta ramblin.

Matthew 12:42 KJV
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

Something greater than Babylon is here. LOL

eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

Your sights seem heavily intent on external applications to various external fleshly powers with just about all matters of Revelation.

The wounding or brusing of Satan's head does not appear to us in the physical external senses because the one being bruised is not physically apparent. Nor do adverse spiritual beasts appear, themselves, in the physical. Take a step back from the fleshly applications and get at the unseen, which Revelation addresses.

Sometimes beast mentioned in scripture is that of people and nations (physical) as in the beast out of the sea in Rev 13 that gave power to the beast out of the earth (literal). Neither one of these beasts are Satan, but Satan who is spiritual works through the literal man as they are indwelled with his evilness we see with our literal eyes the destruction that Satan brings about. This is the same as the Holy Spirit who is spiritual works through those who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

The beast or in other words this ruling Roman Empire was shut down for awhile as it was wounded to death, but in time was healed (revived) as it was given back its ruling power.

 

[for_his_glory]

It is rather obvious to me that we are pretty much talking past each other, and from many of your responses you seem more interested in word game and semantics. You are not a follower of Jesus...... You are not ready because he is not ready......? How is it the He is not ready if the works have been finished before the foundations of the world? But let me assure you of one thing Douglas, my salvation is not in your hands, so you need not concern yourself with such things. Although it seems like my joy has turned to sorrow, I am at peace in the garden of God, and I am content to sit under my own vine and my own fig tree, nourished by the living waters and the tree of life. But I too have eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the law of sin and death. And the knowledge of my death fills my members, but when the Lord called to me, I sought no more covering for my shame, but admitted freely that I had eaten the fruit that leads to the knowledge of sin and death; but in the face of that death, I found mercy and grace, and then did I begin to understand faith; the knowledge of sin is something that remains, but I am dead to it, for its power over death has been swallowed up in victory.

I could say that we are at different place in our walk with the Lord. We all come from many paths that take us by many ways. Some come from the north, others from the east, some from lands nears and far. While we seek a common destination, our own paths are varied an unique. Sometimes our paths may cross, where we might stop for a moment to share our joys and sorrows in the Lord with one another, but often times our paths separate over one issue or another. None the less, I trust that Lord has you in his care, and he will lead you down the paths that you must go. You said you are not ready for his coming, because He is not ready. But I just do not look for the coming of the Lord in the same manner as you. I do not look for the coming of the image of a man that I might worship, I do not look for the coming of some Man of Sin either. I look to the Spirit of Christ and his presence within me.

So as our path do cross, I can only say, may peace be with you on your journey friend, for I shall now go sit again under my own vine and my own fig tree in the garden of God.

 

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Sometimes beast mentioned in scripture is that of people and nations (physical) as in the beast out of the sea in Rev 13 that gave power to the beast out of the earth (literal).

I don't doubt or discount the physical manifestations of evil power. I mean, who can do that? But that really doesn't strike home to the meat of the matters, which are unseen.

Mystery Babylon is "like" the mystery of iniquity. We see neither. We see the results of those workings. But not what is behind/beneath.

For example we don't see a literal woman sitting in peoples nations tongues. It's quite simply NOT a literal expression of what is going on. But it IS going on with both counts above. Just "unseen."

Neither one of these beasts are Satan, but Satan who is spiritual works through the literal man as they are indwelled with his evilness we see with our literal eyes the destruction that Satan brings about. This is the same as the Holy Spirit who is spiritual works through those who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

Well, at least you get that part of the picture.

The beast or in other words this ruling Roman Empire was shut down for awhile as it was wounded to death, but in time was healed (revived) as it was given back its ruling power.

It really didn't have a thing to do with the Romans or their empire. The working is pervasive, in all flesh. It is somewhat pointless to observe the end result other than for purposes of "reverse engineering" to get at the engine of the matters.

Just as I would not observe that a "man" antichrist is not the "real" anti-Christ. The anti-Christ is in fact an adverse to Christ spirit, of which there are many such and have been for quite some time. There are "expresssions" of this working in every unbeliever for example, taken from Paul's sights in Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 4:4 or Eph. 2:2.

These speak beneath and behind the flesh, that there are other actors involved that are neither the person, nor their flesh.

 

[for_his_glory]

I don't doubt or discount the physical manifestations of evil power. I mean, who can do that? But that really doesn't strike home to the meat of the matters, which are unseen.

Mystery Babylon is "like" the mystery of iniquity. We see neither. We see the results of those workings. But not what is behind/beneath.

For example we don't see a literal woman sitting in peoples nations tongues. It's quite simply NOT a literal expression of what is going on. But it IS going on with both counts above. Just "unseen."



Well, at least you get that part of the picture.



It really didn't have a thing to do with the Romans or their empire. The working is pervasive, in all flesh. It is somewhat pointless to observe the end result other than for purposes of "reverse engineering" to get at the engine of the matters.

Just as I would not observe that a "man" antichrist is not the "real" anti-Christ. The anti-Christ is in fact an adverse to Christ spirit, of which there are many such and have been for quite some time. There are "expresssions" of this working in every unbeliever for example, taken from Paul's sights in Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 4:4 or Eph. 2:2.

These speak beneath and behind the flesh, that there are other actors involved that are neither the person, nor their flesh.

Almost all of your post, no matter what the topic, seem to deal with internal evil flesh. We can not physically see that of the internal, but only the external that gives us the evidence of the workings of the internal flesh of man. What we are dealing with in the two beast and the two Babylons is the external physical things that operate through the internal workings of Satan as he works through man.

 

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Almost all of your post, no matter what the topic, seem to deal with internal evil flesh.

It may be better defined as "invisible" adverse power.

We can not physically see that of the internal, but only the external that gives us the evidence of the workings of the internal flesh of man.

Sin, evil, Satan. None of these are forensic in origin. We can not cut open the flesh and "see" the mystery of iniquity at work.

What we are dealing with in the two beast and the two Babylons is the external physical things that operate through the internal workings of Satan as he works through man.

Uh, not. We know the beast for example is exactly this:

Rev. 16:
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

John was given a look behind the scenes. We know the dragon is Satan. We know the beast is a spirit of a devil, as is the working in the false prophet a spirit of devil or devils.

But exactly none of this reality appears in the natural sight as to what the heart of the matter is, which IS the unseen spirits of devils, working their adversity.

There is assuredly NOT going to be some physical gathering at some physical valley of all the people on the earth to fight against God. But unfortunately a LOT of end time folks believe this to be the case. The working is upon the whole world, wherever people are.

The notion people of fighting with God with tanks and armor is quite ridiculous. But sadly some people think these kinds of slants have merit.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sin, evil, Satan. None of these are forensic in origin. We can not cut open the flesh and "see" the mystery of iniquity at work.

We do know the mystery by the literal evidence of the fruits that are displayed in the literal ruling Empires as we physically see history repeating itself as what was Babylon and what will be mystery Babylon in the end of days that even now works her iniquity.

Uh, not. We know the beast for example is exactly this:

The topic is the two beast and that is what I am discussing.

 

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We do know the mystery by the literal evidence of the fruits that are displayed in the literal ruling Empires as we physically see history repeating itself as what was Babylon and what will be mystery Babylon in the end of days that even now works her iniquity.

The working is in all people, inclusive of believers. It is not only in some 'visible empire.' The mystery of iniquity works in the flesh of all people.

The topic is the two beast and that is what I am discussing.

You and the beast you claim: "Empires as we physically see"

Scripture says nay. The beast IS in fact the spirit of devils.

Revelation 16:

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Why is it exactly that you can't seem to see the obvious, and instead look at "Empires as we physically see?"

But perhaps there is a deeper issue with your sight. Do you believe people are devils? I know this is taught in some sects. Let's get it on the table.

 

[for_his_glory]

You and the beast you claim: "Empires as we physically see"

I don't claim it, but scripture reveals it so I can claim its truths

The working is in all people, inclusive of believers. It is not only in some 'visible empire.' The mystery of iniquity works in the flesh of all people.

The working of iniquity is always present in the flesh as we are always tempted, but we are no longer mindful of the flesh when we are walking in the Spirit and I think that's the part you are not getting. Colossians 3:1-17 teaches us how to overcome the sins of the flesh.