From The Beginning

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by Niyoe'es:ah, Nov 17, 2017.

  1. Niyoe'es:ah

    Niyoe'es:ah Member

    Nov 17, 2017
    Genesis 1:22-25

    Gen 1:22a . . God blessed them, saying: Be fertile

    The blessing of fertility is pretty amazing. It not only enables creatures to
    reproduce their own bodies, but also to transfer the breath of life from one
    generation to the next.

    Gen 1:22b . . and increase, fill the waters in the seas, and let the
    winged creatures increase on the earth.

    Aqua creatures exist in the most unlikely places. When the crew of the
    bathyscaphe Trieste descended into the 35,761 feet Challenger Deep located
    in the deepest part of the Mariana Trench in 1960, they didn't really expect
    to find anything living down there; but to their surprise, they saw a flat fish
    similar to sole and flounder.

    The video camera on board the Kaiko probe spotted a sea cucumber, a scale
    worm and a shrimp at the bottom.

    The Nereus probe spotted a polychaete worm (a multi-legged predator)
    about an inch long.

    Gen 1:23 . . And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth

    Gen 1:24-25 . .Then God said: Let the earth bring forth living
    creatures after their kind-- cattle and creeping things and beasts of
    the earth after their kind, And it was so. And God made the beasts of
    the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and
    everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw
    that it was good.

    We've come now to the sixth day when all terra life was created; including
    dinosaurs and humans.

    This grouping of creatures (except for Man) isn't specifically given the
    blessing of fertility. But if God would bless aqua creatures and those with
    wings, why ever would He not bless the terra species too who are just as
    important? But since they've been reproducing all this time, then I'd have to
    say there is sufficient empirical evidence to support the assumption that that
    they were equally blessed with fertility just like everything else.

    The Hebrew words for "living creature" are chay (khah'-ee) and nephesh

    Chay makes it first appearance at Gen 1:20 in reference to aqua creatures
    and winged creatures; and many times in the Old Testament thereafter;
    including fifteen times in reference to God; e.g. Jer 10:10, indicating that
    the originator of life actually exists as opposed to a totem pole or a mythical
    fantasy. There is a very large number of instances recorded in the Old
    Testament where God speaks of Himself as "I am".

    Nephesh first appears in Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and
    winged creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy
    crawlies, and wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature.

    Terra critters consist of the very land masses upon which they live. They,
    like Man, weren't created out of thin air; but rather, God used earthly
    materials and ingredients already at hand to construct them. Neat-O. Not
    only are the various plants and animals indigenous to planet Earth; but they
    are part of it too and blend right back in when they die and decompose.

    The word for "beasts" (of the earth) is chay, which, in this instance, simply
    refers to wild life as opposed to domesticated life.

    The word for "cattle" is behemah (be-hay-maw') and means a mute beast
    (a.k.a. dumb animal). Behemah are the herd species from which came those
    that can be domesticated for Man's uses. They can pull plows and wagons,
    provide tallow for candles and soap, and hide and wool for clothes, meat and
    dairy for table, carry loads on their backs, and give people rides.

    Not all herd animals can be tamed. Zebras, for instance, and male elephants
    are not particularly suited to domestication.

    The plural of behemah is behemowth (be-hay-mohth') a word which some
    have construed to indicate dinosaurs; citing Job 40:15-24 as their proof text.
    However, it's easily proven that the era of monster reptiles was long gone
    before Mr. Job was even born.

    It's no accident that some of the animals are so useful to Man. God made
    them for the express purpose of serving people. Although they're nephesh,
    same as Man, that doesn't make them equals with Man. However, although
    beasts are below the rank of the image and likeness of God, people have no
    right to be cruel to animals. But Man does have the right, by the Creator's
    fiat, to take advantage of them; and to induct them into slavery for Man's

    "creeping things" is the word remes (reh'-mes) and means: a reptile; or any
    other rapidly moving animal. Dinosaurs would've been included in this

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  2. wondering

    wondering Member

    Dec 26, 2015
    I can tell you this...
    People usually write in opposition.
    Those that enjoy something rarely will make a comment.
    Since you have really no opposition (I remember seeing one poster)
    I'd say that you're doing a good job. A great job. And most probably many are reading along that you don't even know about.

    I encourage you. There's much to learn and it's good to take advantage of someone who knows more than ourselves!

    God bless you!
  3. eddif

    eddif Member

    May 2, 2012
    II Peter 1:19 KJV
    We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

    Jesus is the light that shines in the darkness of the desperately wicked heart. It is not the glaring light of daylight that shows the physical, but the softened same light that sheds light like the moon,

    To hunger and thirst after righteousness is more abstract / spiritual.

    Midrash in operation.

    Mississippi redneck
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  4. Cygnus

    Cygnus Member

    Mar 12, 2016
    What Niyoe'es:ah is posting is for the most part considered as bad hermeneutics.
    Niyoe'es:ah is trying to mix a scientific interpretation with a biblical interpretation.
    For example Niyoe'es:ah has man and dinosaurs formed on day 6...which is true....but then stretches out day six to be longer than 65 MY's

    More holes open up in his "commentary" when on day 5 which he calls "pritt-tee long fifth day" birds are created. (post 17). According to the science Niyoe'es:ah is using...dinosaurs preceded birds. It will be interesting to see how Niyoe'es:ah gets around this issue as well as the other issues I've brought up.

    I'll be waiting for Niyoe'es:ah to finish his commentary on Genesis 1.
  5. eddif

    eddif Member

    May 2, 2012
    This is a bible study.

    I have quoted people many times and missed what the Bible says. I have been corrected and have corrected myself.

    Bible study allows us to work through issues. By grace, at times, we learn.

    The only thing I think I know.
    Day 5 was a 24 hour day.
    Day 6 was a 24 hour day.
    Day 7 was a 24 hour day.

    Why would I think this?
    Day 4 built the time clock. Everything after that follows the solar / heavenly body clock.

    Jesus on the cross shook the clock. His days of death, grave, resurrection, and assertion set up eternal life.

    This could be a learning experience.

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  6. Cygnus

    Cygnus Member

    Mar 12, 2016
    Which is why I'm bringing up some problems Niyoe'es:ah should address.
  7. Niyoe'es:ah

    Niyoe'es:ah Member

    Nov 17, 2017
    Continuing from post #21

    Genesis 1:26-27

    Gen 1:26a . . And God said: Let us make Man in our image, after
    our likeness.

    Because of the terms "image and likeness" there are some who believe that
    man's creator is a human being; or at least resembles one. But according to
    Christ, creation's God is non physical.

    "God is spirit" (John 4:24)

    Spirits don't have solid bodies. (Luke 24:36-39)

    Moses instructed Yhvh's people to avoid making any kind of mannequin,
    figurine, totem pole, or statue representing God since no one has any true
    concept of what creation's God actually looks like in person. (Ex 4:10-19)

    There exists absolutely nothing in nature physically resembling its creator;
    except maybe the air in front of your face-- neither Man, nor beast, nor
    plant, nor bird, nor bug, nor reptile nor anything out in the void (Rom 1:21
    23). Concepts that portray creation's God as a human being are purely
    fantasy. (Rom 1:25)

    The introduction of the plural personal pronouns "us" and "our" into the
    narrative at this point has given rise to some interesting speculation
    regarding the identities of the antecedents.

    Gen 1:26b . . let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of
    the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the
    creatures that move along the ground.

    Humanity's right to dominate the earth is where we find its image and
    likeness of God. In other words: Man's image and likeness of God is all about
    sovereignty, power, control, and authority. (cf. Gen 44:18, and Ps 82)

    The word for "rule" is from radah (raw-daw') and means: to tread down, i.e.
    subjugate; specifically: to crumble off.

    I saw a pretty interesting bumper sticker some time ago that went like this:

    We are not above the Earth;
    We are of the Earth.

    Well . . I respect the Native American cultural sentiment underlying that
    statement; and must admit that I agree with it to a certain extent. But
    creation's creator decreed that though Man is of the earth; he is very
    definitely above it too, and has the God-given right to subjugate every living
    thing on the planet including its forests, its grasses, its rivers, its seas, its
    soil, its rocks, its air, its minerals, its mountains, its valleys, and even its
    tectonic plates and the earth's very atmosphere itself. According to Heb 2:8,
    humanity is on track to take control of even more.

    Gen 1:27 . . So God created man in His own image, in the image of
    God He created him; male and female He created them.

    The language of that verse is inconsistent with verse 26. In that location
    Man was created in "our" image. In this verse Man is said to be created in
    "His" image. It appears to me that the difference is due to the word "own".
    In other words; "our image and likeness" is not quite the same as "His own
    image". There seems to be a subtle difference between "us create" and "He
    created"; or maybe it's just my imagination.

    NOTE: The pronoun "them" in Gen 1:27 is a bit ambiguous. It can refer to
    the first male and the first female; but it can just as easily refer to the
    human race in total. In other words: Gen 1:26-27 is where we all began.

    Some women would be offended to be called a "him" but it's a biblical
    designation nonetheless. Regardless of one's gender, all human beings are
    of the Adam species and can be legitimately referred to as a him or as a he
    because all of us, regardless of gender, are extensions of Adam; including
    Eve because she was made from a human tissue sample amputated from
    Adam's body. Bible students really have to watch for that because when
    they run across the word "man" and/or "men" in the Bible, it doesn't eo ipso
    indicate males

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  8. Cygnus

    Cygnus Member

    Mar 12, 2016
    Image of God is interesting....Could mean a lot of things.

    In Gen 5:3 we meet up with the word again.....When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

    Adam fell and lost the original image, or some aspects of it.

    ! John 3:2 seems to indicate our original pre-fall "Adam" image will be restored....Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
  9. eddif

    eddif Member

    May 2, 2012
    You may have a fairly stable view on imagery.

    When you hear what I say you will have to help.
    Your bible quote
    When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. ”

    Imagery was holding true:
    Man was made in the image of God
    Man was able to pass on that imagery and have a Son (after his image).

    The imagery is then physical:
    Liver, kidneys, lungs, blood, skin, etc

    The imagery was not spiritual:
    Man left the will of God, murder began, following evil began, etc.

    Kidneys are an image of removal of sin. Eventually Jesus would have his kidneys / reins pierced in his beating.

    The law of Moses was full of blood sacrifice (the images continued, till Jesus became our sacrifice).

    If we do imagery we can lose the intended imagery God set in motion. Seeing Jesus is the intent of the body of man. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Not because he is there in the flesh, but because the flesh has symbols that point to God wanting to be in the body he created.
    Revelation 3:20

    Ask me questions.
    Challenge me.
    Fuss at me.
    In bible study you search for answers. The word became the flesh of Jesus, so his life reflects the word.

  10. Cygnus

    Cygnus Member

    Mar 12, 2016
    You didn't address what the fall did to mankind.
  11. eddif

    eddif Member

    May 2, 2012
    Part of my post did address the fall (or I thought it did).
    1. The fall: do not eat of the tree of good and evil —they left the will of God
    2. The Cain and Able correct and wrong sacrifices led to murder.
    3. etc
    If Eve had been spiritual she would have said (redneck paraphrase):
    Get the behind me Satan.

    Adam might have said:
    I perceive the evil one has led you astray.

    No word of knowledge or wisdom from Adam or Eve. They were expelled from the physical tree of life.

    Shall we turn away from Christ Jesus?

  12. Niyoe'es:ah

    Niyoe'es:ah Member

    Nov 17, 2017
    Continuing from post #27

    Genesis 1:28-30

    Gen 1:28a . . God blessed them and God said to them: Be fertile
    and increase,

    Some interpret that verse to be an edict requiring married people to have
    children; and that they have no business getting married for any other
    reason. But the wording is so obviously a blessing rather than a law;
    especially since God said the very same thing to the winged creatures, and
    the fish, and the reptiles, and the bugs, and the beasts.

    It's always best to regard blessings as benefits and/or empowerments
    unless clearly indicated otherwise. Some blessings have to be merited (e.g.
    Deut 28:1-13) but not this one. It was neither requested nor was it earned--
    it was freely given without any strings attached and nothing asked in return.

    NOTE: The belief that couples should enter marriage for no other reason
    than procreation is an invention right out of an ascetic imagination; and if
    truth be known, it's in defense of a celibate clergy. According to Gen 2:18
    24 and 1Cor 7:7-9, marriage is primarily for the purpose of companionship
    rather than procreation. If in fact deliberately childless marriages are wrong,
    then Catholicism's platonic union of Joseph and the Lord's mom would be a
    sinful relationship.

    Without the empowerment of fertility, Man would be just as sterile as a soup
    spoon. So it was a very essential blessing. And a very interesting blessing it
    is because the blessing of fertility empowers living things to pass their own
    kind of life on to a next generation. God quit creating after six days. So
    unless creatures were enabled to reproduce, all would soon die out and
    become quite extinct in a very short time.

    Libido therefore, is an essential element of the blessing of fertility. God
    intended for His creatures to reproduce; and to ensure that they did, He
    wired them all with libido rather than instilling within them a sense of duty.
    It isn't necessary to cajole creatures to mate; no, they will do so on their
    own, propelled by built-in sensual proclivities and predilections.

    Gen 1:28b . . fill the earth and master it; and rule the fish of the
    sea, the birds of the sky, and all the living things that creep on earth.

    The Hebrew word for "master" is from kabash (kaw-bash') which emphasizes
    coercion and force; and means: to disregard; to conquer, and to violate.

    The word for "rule" is from radah (raw-daw') and means: to tread down; to

    kabash and radah are very strong language. Those two words combined
    leave no room for doubt regarding Man's supremacy in the sphere of things.
    God blessed humanity with the authority to dominate and to violate planet
    Earth at will, and exploit it to his own advantage. Man answers to no plant
    nor animal on this entire globe. The whole Earth is within the scope of
    humanity's purview. If aliens ever come here unannounced, they can be
    arrested for trespassing, and/or charged for parking because this earth is
    Man's domain.

    But the interesting thing is; the Adam species is also the monarch of the
    whole cosmos; not just the dinky little third rock from the Sun where he
    hangs his hat.

    "For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put
    under him." (Heb 2:6-8)

    Gen 1:29-30 . . God said: See, I give you every seed-bearing plant
    that is upon all the earth, and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit;
    they shall be yours for food. And to all the animals on land, to all the
    winged creatures of the sky, and to everything that creeps on earth,
    in which there is the breath of life, I give all the green plants for
    food. And it was so.

    Prior to the Flood; man, beast, bug, and birds too-- even the lions and tigers
    and hawks and eagles and vultures and crocodiles --subsisted on fruits,
    nuts, grains, and vegetables. Precisely what kind of diet God intended for
    sea life is not stated.

    That raises an interesting question: why do carnivores have teeth so
    uniquely suited for killing other creatures and ripping their flesh? Well, I
    think it's obvious that they didn't use their teeth like that at first.

    For example; buck-toothed beavers have incisors that could take your hand
    off but they don't use them for that purpose. Male musk deer have saber
    like upper canine teeth and their diet is moss and grass and sometimes
    twigs and lichen. And everybody knows about Wally the walrus' big ol' tusks;
    which he doesn't use to kill his food, but rather, to plow up the sea bottom
    in search of his favorite mollusks.

    Though the fossilized remains of a therapsid, named Tiarajudens
    , exhibits saber tusks, it is believed to have efficiently chewed
    leaves and stems with interlocking incisors and cow-like molars.

    In the kingdom of God, carnivores won't be carnivorous any more, and
    nothing in the animal kingdom will any longer pose a danger to either Man
    or to each other. (Isa 11:6-9)

  13. eddif

    eddif Member

    May 2, 2012
    In Genesis man has dominion over a physical world by his works.

    In the New Testament man has dominion over demons, sickness, anger, ignorance, etc.
    Sin no longer has dominion over man. Sin is still here but the dominion of sin is defeated by the work of the Messiah.

    The children are spiritual children of God. Jews and Gentiles are made into one new man. A reproduction, but not a sexual thing.

    I Corinthians 7:36 KJV
    But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. This sort of relationship is past the OC understanding. The NC missionary journeys were about a people who would live forever in heaven. Not physical children who would live forever if they ate of the tree of life in Eden. Not all men see this concept. The single person is free to serve God, but the married person is responsible in pleasing his spouse.

    I Corinthians 7:32 KJV
    But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
    33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

    Man is the image of relationship in marriage.

    The reality is to be in heaven for eternity with a relationship with God. Eternal life is through belief in the work Jesus accomplished.

    Sure Genesis existed. Hidden in Genesis are hints of what is today and into eternity. The reality is Christ for eternity. The shadows are family in Genesis.

    Types and shadows. To see a bird shadow on the ground gives a hint that a bird is overhead. Grab a camera and try to get a picture of the bird. A picture of the bird gives reality, but a picture of the shadow will give limited understanding.

    To study Genesis is like studying a bird shadow. There are tremendous amounts of information, but the reality is Christ and eternity.

    Colossians 2:16 KJV
    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

    When day 4 happened all the sabbaths and holy days were established in time.
    Creation days established plants and animals for food (eventually).

    The food of today can be the word of God.

    To some this makes sense. Others will think a call to the funny farm is needed to establish reality.

    Mississippi redneck
  14. eddif

    eddif Member

    May 2, 2012
    And then comes someone like me. One
    Who sees things that others may not think exist. Things that are thought to be vain imaginations.

    The link I am about to post is just one of many on the subject of Midrash. I did not start with Midrash and use the method. I was talking to a Methodist Jewish pastor and he was rolling his eyes as I looked at a scripture passage. He googled parts of my thoughts, and found this Jewish concept.

    Midrash is a term for levels of understanding. My words would probably be:
    Literal physical
    Parallel hidden things with physical
    Spiritual explained
    Jesus the reality / body behind everything

    So I am drawing out of Genesis hidden things (?)

  15. Niyoe'es:ah

    Niyoe'es:ah Member

    Nov 17, 2017
    Continuing from post #32

    Genesis 1:31

    Gen 1:31 . . And God saw all that He had made, and found it very
    good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

    Some feel that the cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --was
    created incomplete, not quite up to snuff: that it was to Man that God
    entrusted the task of putting on the finishing touches. But that is very
    doubtful. Why ever would God, after an overall inspection, conclude His work
    by pronouncing it all good-- and not just good, but "very" good. Why would
    He say the creation was very good if in truth it was incomplete?

    In reality, Man hasn't improved the planet at all. He has actually ravaged it
    and left it with terrible damage-- leveled mountains, dried up rivers, emptied
    lakes, drained marshes, indiscriminately obliterated habitat, wiped out
    animals to extinction, scraped away perfectly good cropland and replaced it
    with warehouses and factories and malls and residential communities.

    A prime example of this kind of destruction is INTEL's massive Ronler Acres
    Campus located on what was once agricultural land in Hillsboro Oregon.
    Thousands of cubic yards of perfectly good topsoil was scraped away during
    construction of the facility. What did they do with it? Was it transferred
    elsewhere in order to use it for farming? No, instead INTEL used it to build a
    massive berm all around the facility where the soil will never again grow
    food. NIKE did the very same thing with the topsoil scraped away during
    construction of its facility in Beaverton.

    Man's denuding of watersheds has caused unnecessary erosion and stream
    sedimentation. He's dammed rivers, thus disrupting ancient fish migration
    routes. He's over-exploited natural resources, filled the atmosphere with
    toxins and greenhouse gas emissions, poisoned aquifers, contaminated soil
    and waterways with chemical fertilizers, pesticides, GMO vegetation; and
    made possible super germs, and seriously upset the balance of nature.

    It seems that everything man touches, he ruins; and as if the Earth isn't
    enough, he's moved out into space where in the years since Russia launched
    its first Sputnik into low Earth orbit on Oct 04, 1957, humans have littered
    the sky around their planet with 13,000 catalogued pieces of space junk,
    which is only a fraction of the more than 600,000 objects circling the globe
    larger than one centimeter (a centimeter is a little over 3/8ths of an inch).
    Humans have even discarded 374,782 pounds of litter on the Moon,
    including the golf balls that astronaut Alan Shepherd left behind.

    So; when God looked over His work and "found" that it was very good, does
    that mean He was surprised it came out like it did? (chuckle) No. It would be
    a strange craftsman indeed who couldn't look over their work with pride and
    satisfaction in a job well done.

    I believe creation's creator knew precisely what He was doing, and where He
    was going with creation; and was highly pleased that it came out exactly as
    planned. I seriously doubt that God was feeling His way along like
    experimenters in medicine and rocket science. Nobody could build a fully
    functioning cosmos and all of its forms of life, matter, and energy unless
    they knew what they were doing from beginning to end.

    "O Yhvh! . . what a variety of things you have made! In wisdom you have
    made them all. (Ps 104:24)

    NOTE: The information disclosed in the first chapter of Genesis is
    incorporated in the text of a gospel labeled "everlasting".

    "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting
    gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the Earth, and to every nation, and
    kindred, and tongue, and people, announcing with a loud voice: Fear God,
    and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship
    him that made heaven, and Earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."
    (Rev 14:6-7)

    The everlasting gospel is very elementary. Pretty much all it says is:

    1• There's a supreme being.

    2• He deserves respect.

    3• There's a frightful reckoning looming on the horizon, and

    4• The cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --is the product
    of intelligent design.

    Of particular interest to me is the inclusion of water in the everlasting
    gospel. Scientists theorize the origin of the Earth's amazing quantity of water
    without really knowing exactly where it came from, nor how it got here.
    Well; that is one of the things that I like about Genesis. It takes an
    essentially unsophisticated, uneducated blue-collar welder like myself and
    gives him answers to questions that people much brighter, and better
    educated cannot answer.

    Giving "glory" simply indicates giving someone credit where credit is due;
    and "worship" can be roughly defined as reverence, i.e. honor and respect.

    It's quite natural to admire celebrities, pro athletes, and super achievers-- to
    give them credit where credit is due --but not quite so natural to do the
    same for their creator.

    Anyway, point being: people either believe in intelligent design, or they
    don't. If they do believe, then they will admire both the designer's genius
    and His handiwork. If they don't believe; then they will neither admire nor
    respect anything about Him: simple as that.

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  16. Cygnus

    Cygnus Member

    Mar 12, 2016
    Humans are a fallen race...what did you expect?
  17. eddif

    eddif Member

    May 2, 2012
    Do you suppose the two of us fallen humans can go to the first post and begin to discuss the thread, without fussing? I have a few bible verses to add and discuss with someone, and I am sure you do too.

  18. Niyoe'es:ah

    Niyoe'es:ah Member

    Nov 17, 2017

    You guys should probably start a Genesis thread of your own in an area
    where debating is permitted instead of cluttering this one. You're making it
    increasingly difficult for me to continue posting a systematic, verse by verse
    commentary like I started out to do.

  19. eddif

    eddif Member

    May 2, 2012
    Actually some open study does usually occur during bible study.

    A blog is where a person puts down his or her ideas without anyone else commenting actively.

    I like blogs myself. This web site has helped me discuss with others. Am I perfect? No.

    I have invited others to comment if they feel I am wrong. I still do invite others to tell me if they feel they must. Even now you are expressing your thoughts.

    Plate techtonics are an interest to me. Because the foundations of the New Jerusalem are built on the foundations of the apostles of our Lord. IMHO plate tecthonics are a hidden hint (at creation) that foundations exist when spiritual things are created in the New Covenant. To leave off Christ hidden in Genesis is a great loss. I can just go away.

    Mississippi redneck
  20. Niyoe'es:ah

    Niyoe'es:ah Member

    Nov 17, 2017

    That's because some people are undisciplined and unprincipled; they're
    naturally disruptive because they're head strong and lack self control; and if
    anything is said to them about it, they just get all the more stubborn and
    determined to hijack the thread. I've seen it to happen numerous times
    during the twenty plus years that I've been active on internet forums.

    You really should start a thread of your own for discussing spiritual
    theories having to do with natural geological processes.

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