Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[Senior]

"I will never leave you nor forsake you."

Yes, the Holy Spirit will never will stop trying
to get the BAC to co-operate with Him in the
on-going process of sanctification unto holiness.
That's how much He loves BACs especially.
After all, Father God chose them to be BACs.

However, BACs can choose to reject God's grace
and fall away from the faith, drift away,
draw back to perdition, fall from grace, etc.
These warnings are all in the NT.

 

[for_his_glory]

Okay, just for example, what do you do with the dozen NT verses that say:
Those who are righteous in God's eyes are those who practice righteousness?
Have you chosen to ignore these dozen verses?
Salvation is a process.

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

It's not our righteousness, but God's righteousness found in us as we are not yet immortal or made incorruptible yet. It's our obedience to God and His commands and stature that we find favor in Him by His grace through faith that is Christ Jesus. I pretty much explained this in post # 10.

 

[chessman]

for me it contradicts the 20 or so NT verses which threaten loss of eternal life.

Ah, eternal life that’s not eternal. Now that’s a contradiction.

 

[Senior]

Ah, eternal life that’s not eternal. Now that’s a contradiction.

OK, have it your way ... loss of salvation.
It's easy ... for salvation is a process.
Each of these topics has a dozen or so supporting NT verses:
Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness
Believers stay righteous through their obedience
Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives
Believers keep salvation by repenting of their sins
Believers are included in warnings such as these
Believers were chosen and called to live holy lives
Believers must love, forgive, not judge or condemn
Believers must be victorious overcomers

 

[ezra]

OK, have it your way ... loss of salvation.
It's easy ... for salvation is a process.
Each of these topics has a dozen or so supporting NT verses:
Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness
Believers stay righteous through their obedience
Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives
Believers keep salvation by repenting of their sins
Believers are included in warnings such as these
Believers were chosen and called to live holy lives
Believers must love, forgive, not judge or condemn
Believers must be victorious overcomers

your adding lots of emphases on the plan of salvation i would be interested in seeing scriptures that says this..

 

[jeremiah1five]

I invented it ... mmmm, maybe 5 years ago.

Excellent.

I thought it was Blood Alcohol Content.

 

[Senior]

your adding lots of emphases on the plan of salvation i would be interested in seeing scriptures that says this..

I hope you have patience because I plan to post all of these verses in the future.
And I hope you forgive your brothers and sisters for rejecting them when I do post them.
They are not popular, so pastors ignore them ... to their eternal regret.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes, the Holy Spirit will never will stop trying
to get the BAC to co-operate with Him in the
on-going process of sanctification unto holiness.
That's how much He loves BACs especially.
After all, Father God chose them to be BACs.

However, BACs can choose to reject God's grace
and fall away from the faith, drift away,
draw back to perdition, fall from grace, etc.
These warnings are all in the NT.

They can't fall away.
Their names are in the book of life and God will give then their Promised life.
Once a son, ALWAYS a son.
Can you ever say and it be true that the man that provided the sperm toward your birth is not your father?
I'll answer that.
NO.
Same as if one is born of God.
The Seed.
The Seed.
The Seed.
(not to be confused with "the plane!.")

There are no children of God in "hell."
There are no apostles in "hell."

 

[ezra]

I hope you have patience because I plan to post all of these verses in the future.
And I hope you forgive your brothers and sisters for rejecting them when I do post them.
They are not popular, so pastors ignore them ... to their eternal regret.

you post away and while your at it make sure they say exactly what you post not implied lets use these two BTW i do believe in repentance to turn from
Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives .. i would like a scripture that says exactly this
Believers keep salvation by repenting of their sins ... peter wrote our salvation is kept by the power of God ..i have plenty patience ..i can always read it Tuesday lol

 

[jeremiah1five]

OK, have it your way ... loss of salvation.
It's easy ... for salvation is a process.
Each of these topics has a dozen or so supporting NT verses:
Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness
Believers stay righteous through their obedience
Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives
Believers keep salvation by repenting of their sins
Believers are included in warnings such as these
Believers were chosen and called to live holy lives
Believers must love, forgive, not judge or condemn
Believers must be victorious overcomers

Before God created anything it was just Him, the Son, and the Spirit in Trinity. We can't fathom it at all.
Scripture says "God is Light."
So, if I were to ask you to close your eyes and imagine God in Trinity what do you see?
Most would see God as a light in the center of their darken view. Well, that's my point.
In Trinity, God is not surrounded by darkness as we may see Him when we close our eyes and imagine Him as light.
Paul, who met Jesus on the Damascus road was blinded but he didn't see blackness. He saw white light. In his whole field of closed-eye view. White light.
OK. So, there is God as Trinity, and it is HERE that the Father contemplates creating His people, a people that once He contemplated them/us He saw us as saved, holy, righteous individuals - and with new bodies that were manufactured in TIME on the planet during the course of human history.
God saw the end from the beginning because He ordained the end.
From God's Eternal perspective it is a done deal. We, His Elect, those people whom didn't exactly have bodies, but names and He wrote those names in a "book.' A book of life of the lamb slain from [BEFORE] the foundation (creation) of the world. Rev. 13:8.
From God's Eternal perspective it's a done deal, His Elect are already with Him. I AM ALREADY with Him.
Do you see where I am going?
Well, since God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself He created the Universe and TIME and all the laws of nature and nature's God, the motion of the planets...heck, Moses was a physicist. God revealed in one verse the five laws governing the universe.
Free will in man is an illusion. We have no free will. Not even God has a will like ours and His Will is not free. It is confined by His Nature and His Attributes. No, He cannot create a rock too heavy He can't lift. Etc. Or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and all that.
It doesn't work that way.He doesn't work that way.
His Elect are named in the book of life of the lamb slain....and the number is fixed. The number of angels is fixed.
THEN, God began to create 'heaven,' earth, and man.
All God is doing in TIME is preparing bodies to go with those names in the book of life of the lamb slain...
Just as He prepared a body for His Christ. Predestination.
The first Covenant God made was with the Son and the Spirit. He is following a pre-ordained plan of man and it's a done deal. There is no "accept Jesus into your 'heart,' nor is the statement that God loves everyone true.
So, if God wrote names of those whom He was going to give life to, and eternal life, and this book was written BEFORE God created 'heaven,' earth, and man, how does free will in man fit in?
It doesn't. It's a done deal.

 

[Senior]

Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives ..
i would like a scripture that says exactly this

This is the shortest one I have; I hope you like brevity!
“IF we endure, we shall also reign with Him.” (2 Tim. 2:12)

 

[stovebolts]

Senior, there is only one verse that clinches it for me (besides the Presence of the Holy Spirit within me), and that is this Promise:

"I will never leave you nor forsake you."

That's a stop sign. If we are ever in danger of "losing our salvation" then I have to call Jesus a liar.

To date, He's never left me nor forsaken me. Never.
And He never will.
Once a son, ALWAYS a son.

But not all sons are the elect..

 

[jeremiah1five]

But not all sons are the elect..

Stove, All sons and daughters of the Lord are Elect. That's how they were contemplated by God. That's the ONLY way He can contemplate them/us for there is no sin in God, there is no death in God.
They/we were all contemplated in the Mind of God in Trinity BEFORE God created heaven, earth, and man.
In Trinity God "wrote" their/our names in a "book" of life of the lamb slain... and then set out to created what was necessary in order to bring these people as only names, but with bodies - like His Son, in His Mind to natural life, and later, eternal life. God knew us in Trinity. This is the foreknowledge the Scripture speaks of. Brother Pete understood this and he wrote about it:

1 Peter 1:2 (KJV)
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Here, Peter is writing to believers, for the Scripture (and this epistle/letter) is written by God TO and FOR believers in Covenant with Him. This Holy Word is not given to the world.

 

[Senior]

But not all sons are the elect..

By "sons" do you mean born-again believers?

 

[stovebolts]

Stove, All sons and daughters of the Lord are Elect. That's how they were contemplated by God. That's the ONLY way He can contemplate them/us for there is no sin in God, there is no death in God.
They/we were all contemplated in the Mind of God in Trinity BEFORE God created heaven, earth, and man.
In Trinity God "wrote" their/our names in a "book" of life of the lamb slain... and then set out to created what was necessary in order to bring these people as only names, but with bodies - like His Son, in His Mind to natural life, and later, eternal life. God knew us in Trinity. This is the foreknowledge the Scripture speaks of. Brother Pete understood this and he wrote about it:

1 Peter 1:2 (KJV)
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Here, Peter is writing to believers, for the Scripture (and this epistle/letter) is written by God TO and FOR believers in Covenant with Him. This Holy Word is not given to the world.

Hello again,
That is certainly one way to see it, and your not the first one to propagate that teaching.

We are a discussion site, not a debate site which means we give each other enough room and respect that our pride / zeal doesnt overcome us.

The way I see it, God called an entire community His son in Exodus 4:23 and an entire generation neither found Gods rest, nor entered into the promised land.

The way I understand the Elect, they hold a purpose and a mission. They are to let Gods light shine through them to show the way. When I look at the Elect in all of scripture, I see it culminate in Christ Jesus and is made known by those that are in Christ Jesus.

 

[stovebolts]

By "sons" do you mean born-again believers?

Depends on how you view Jacob - Israel.

 

[Senior]

Depends on how you view Jacob - Israel.

Have you used them successfully, or is your stove free to dance?

 

[jeremiah1five]

By "sons" do you mean born-again believers?

I mean male humans, female humans, the one's that are "kept" in the OT, you know, BAC's
Including the Sethian human sons of God of Genesis 6.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Hello again,
That is certainly one way to see it, and your not the first one to propagate that teaching.

We are a discussion site, not a debate site which means we give each other enough room and respect that our pride / zeal doesnt overcome us.

The way I see it, God called an entire community His son in Exodus 4:23 and an entire generation neither found Gods rest, nor entered into the promised land.

The way I understand the Elect, they hold a purpose and a mission. They are to let Gods light shine through them to show the way. When I look at the Elect in all of scripture, I see it culminate in Christ Jesus and is made known by those that are in Christ Jesus.

Let me put it this way...
If your name is in the book of life of the lamb slain from [BEFORE] the foundation (creation) of the world, then you are a son of God and daughter of the Lord and will be given life and saved.
The thing is we don't know who God will save, but we definitely are instructed and commanded to know WHO and IF they are saved after they profess Christ.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Hello again,
That is certainly one way to see it, and your not the first one to propagate that teaching.

We are a discussion site, not a debate site which means we give each other enough room and respect that our pride / zeal doesnt overcome us.

The way I see it, God called an entire community His son in Exodus 4:23 and an entire generation neither found Gods rest, nor entered into the promised land.

The way I understand the Elect, they hold a purpose and a mission. They are to let Gods light shine through them to show the way. When I look at the Elect in all of scripture, I see it culminate in Christ Jesus and is made known by those that are in Christ Jesus.

Stove, that is the ONLY WAY to see it because it is Biblical.
We must ALL see the same Jesus. We must ALL say the same thing as God. (1 Jn. 3:1-2).
This "accept Jesus into your 'heart'" is a lie in the church thanks to Charles Finney and his lesser-known brother.