Douglas Summers
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I have always studied that Israel never possessed all the land that God promised. reta sent me this Scripture in Joshua
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God always keeps His end of any covenant... He did so with the Isrealites... God's covenant was conditional on obedience.
Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Gen 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
Deu 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
For years the accepted understanding, I had ,was the Abramamic Covenant was unconditional . Scriptures say to me , today, obedience played a big part...
Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Gen 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
Deu 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
For years the accepted understanding, I had ,was the Abramamic Covenant was unconditional . Scriptures say to me , today, obedience played a big part...
Cygnus
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This site is worth a look.
The site says:
Israel entered the Promised Land and hundreds of years later, under King Solomon, they occupied a large part, but not all, of the territory which God had promised to them. Israel was required to obey the Law of Moses and, when they failed, God thrust them out of the land. However, God’s promise that they will inherit the land still stands. We see the Jews being brought back to the Promised Land in our day. We expect that God’s word will be fulfilled and that they will enter their full inheritance.
The site even presents what it believes the boundaries of the promised Land are.
Hope it helps.
This is the promised land ...
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
As a kid i asked Dad if the promised land was forever why dont they have it today... His exact reply i dont remember, it was down the lines of Cygnus' post..
Jos 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,
Jos 1:2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.
Jos 1:3 Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses.
Jos 1:4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.
Jos 1:5 There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.
Jos 1:6 Be strong and of a good courage: for unto this people shalt thou divide for an inheritance the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give them.
Jos 1:7 Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.
Jos 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
Jos 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.
Jos 1:10 Then Joshua commanded the officers of the people, saying,
The Hittites occupied the region of Anatolia (also known as Asia Minor, modern-day Turkey) prior to 1700 BCE, developed a culture apparently from the indigenous Hatti (and possibly the Hurrian) people, and expanded their territories into an empire which rivaled, and threatened, the established nation of Egypt.
https://www.ancient.eu/hittite/
Gen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
As a kid i asked Dad if the promised land was forever why dont they have it today... His exact reply i dont remember, it was down the lines of Cygnus' post..
Jos 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,
Jos 1:2 Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.
Jos 1:3 Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses.
Jos 1:4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.
Jos 1:5 There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.
Jos 1:6 Be strong and of a good courage: for unto this people shalt thou divide for an inheritance the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give them.
Jos 1:7 Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.
Jos 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
Jos 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.
Jos 1:10 Then Joshua commanded the officers of the people, saying,
The Hittites occupied the region of Anatolia (also known as Asia Minor, modern-day Turkey) prior to 1700 BCE, developed a culture apparently from the indigenous Hatti (and possibly the Hurrian) people, and expanded their territories into an empire which rivaled, and threatened, the established nation of Egypt.
https://www.ancient.eu/hittite/
This study is so very interesting to me... I hope it continues . as a study.... I do wish the Scriptures gave the boundaries of the
Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
Jim Parker
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That they did not possess all the land is demonstrated by their ongoing conflicts with the Canaanites and the Philistines. (See Judges through 2 Samuel)
I would argue they simply broke their end of the covenant again... Because Scripture clearly states
Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he swore to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
not much different then what we all do.. Thank you Lord for Your Grace
To my understanding this is the Hope of Israel
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
We know Abraham :
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
We know Abraham :
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Roro1972
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Gen 13
12 Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom.
14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
18 Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD.
12 Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom.
14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
18 Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD.
Douglas Summers
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The Abrahamic Covenant (Gen. 15:1-18). Compare Abraham's call (Gen. 12:1-3)+(Acts 7:3) also (Gen. 13:14-17; 17:1-8).
- It seeds the nation of Israel
- It sets the title of the land of Canaan in the "seed" of Abraham, of who Christ is (Gal. 3:16)
- It contains the Covenant of "Redemption".
- It promises divine protection of the Abrahamic seed.
- All of this is "absolutely unconditional", God says, "I will"
- "I will" make of thee a great nation.
- "I will" bless thee.
- "I will" bless them that bless thee.
- "I Will" multiply thy seed as the dust of the earth.
- "I will" give this land unto thee. Israel is God's covenanted people and Abraham's faith was accounted unto him as righteousness.
Admonition given later (Gen. 17:1) (Gen. 17:9-14) (Gen. 17:9-14) (Gen. 26:2-5) relate to the "behavior" of the individuals under the covenant , that is, their obedience and consequent blessing and fellowship with God. That is: chastisement for disobedience, not an annulling of the covenant.
Everything in the Abraham Covenant has been and will be fulfilled.
They have not occupied all the Land that God gave them. Israel entered Canaan under the Palestinian Covenant (Deuteronomy chapters 28-30), not the Abrahamic Covenant.
Jim Parker
Member
True. It was because of their disobedience that they did not possess all of the land God promised them IF THEY OBEYED.
Here's what God promised them:
Jos 1:4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon as far as the great river, the River Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and to the Great Sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your territory.
The map shows the area that Israel controlled at the time of Solomon. It almost matched the boundaries of the land that God had promised. Gaza was not taken from the Philistines in Solomon’s day, and the land of the Canaanites promised to Abraham included the coastal strip all the way to Sidon – the city of Canaan’s first-born son.
[1 Chronicles 1:13, Genesis 10:19]
Areas of Moab, Ammon and Edom, east of the Dead Sea, were occupied by King Solomon but were not part of the Promised Land. This is part of modern-day Jordan.
Israel entered the Promised Land and hundreds of years later, under King Solomon, they occupied a large part, but not all, of the territory which God had promised to them. Israel was required to obey the Law of Moses and, when they failed, God thrust them out of the land. However, God’s promise that they will inherit the land still stands. We see the Jews being brought back to the Promised Land in our day. We expect that God’s word will be fulfilled and that they will enter their full inheritance.
Source: http://www.differentspirit.org/articles/boundaries.php
So they never did occupy all of the land that God promised them exactly for the reason you gave: disobedience.
Traveling teacher
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Genesis 15:18
From the river of egypt to the euphrates river........
I fyou look n a Bible map that is all the way to the nile river. In egypt....
And to the euphrates river river ....
This includes all of syria, lebanon, jordan parts of Iraq and Arabia
All the way to the border of Iran......
solomon didnt ocupy all this but he did go to the euphrates in Syria...
And to the border of Egypt....but not the sinai peninsula....
After the yom kippur war of 1973 Israel occupied the sinai penensula....
I believe under Carter Israel gave the land back to Egypt.......
From the river of egypt to the euphrates river........
I fyou look n a Bible map that is all the way to the nile river. In egypt....
And to the euphrates river river ....
This includes all of syria, lebanon, jordan parts of Iraq and Arabia
All the way to the border of Iran......
solomon didnt ocupy all this but he did go to the euphrates in Syria...
And to the border of Egypt....but not the sinai peninsula....
After the yom kippur war of 1973 Israel occupied the sinai penensula....
I believe under Carter Israel gave the land back to Egypt.......
The boundaries kinda depend on which historian we choose to believe...
That is why i wish the Scriptures told us
This study is so very interesting to me... I hope it continues . as a study.... I do wish the Scriptures gave the boundaries of the
Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
That is why i wish the Scriptures told us
This study is so very interesting to me... I hope it continues . as a study.... I do wish the Scriptures gave the boundaries of the
Gen 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
Gen 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
Gen 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
jasonc
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Great! Being a bonified askenazic, I claim my piece of eretz isreal
barelohim
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Jerimiah 3:
8 And I saw, when, for this very cause that backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a bill of divorcement, yet treacherous Judah her sister feared not; but she also went and played the harlot.
This curtailed every covenant God made to Israel, So He could bring a new covenant that replaced them all, for the New Israel.... He can't marry the old Israel because she was divorced for adultery. And the new Israel will have the land of promise, which is Christ Jesus, the one flowing with milk and honey, the one protected from the enemy, the one that will be provided for, the one of which they have a healer.......
8 And I saw, when, for this very cause that backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a bill of divorcement, yet treacherous Judah her sister feared not; but she also went and played the harlot.
This curtailed every covenant God made to Israel, So He could bring a new covenant that replaced them all, for the New Israel.... He can't marry the old Israel because she was divorced for adultery. And the new Israel will have the land of promise, which is Christ Jesus, the one flowing with milk and honey, the one protected from the enemy, the one that will be provided for, the one of which they have a healer.......
brujaq
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Deuteronomy 11:24 I had seen a video I think (it's been a while) showing footprints in different places and boundaries assumed traced out by Joshua but couldn't find it again .. Then again that Israel was basically a barren land until 1948 Deuteronomy 11:13-15 .. I love anything Israel , good thread
Douglas Summers
Member
Hi barelohim,What was your point or thought here with this Scripture.
barelohim
Member
Well Jesus said, " Matthew 5: 31 It was said also, [1] Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:*n8
32 but I say unto you, that every one that putteth away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, maketh her an adulteress: and whosoever shall marry her when she is put away committeth adultery.
So what would Jesus have to do with a wife that has been "put away" for adultery? He wouldn't! So He is free to be married to the New Israel, who has been born from above.