Bible Study The sons of God and daughters of men?

[calvin]

4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

The giants we all wiped out in the flood.

The giants continued to be produced after the flood when the sons of God came into the daughters of men.

The sons of God were not affected by the flood, as they continued to produce giants, both before and after the flood.


If find no giants mentioned in the genealogy of Noah or his sons.


The reason is sons of God is a reference to angels, not humans.

• Humans are called sons of men in the old testament.

Help, Lord, for the godly man ceases,
For the faithful disappear from among the sons of men.
Psalm 12:1


Their offspring You shall destroy from the earth,
And their descendants from among the sons of men.
Psalm 21:10


The Lord looks from heaven;
He sees all the sons of men.
Psalm 33:13


Come and see the works of God;
He is awesome in His doing toward the sons of men.
Psalms 66:5



Angels are called sons of God.

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:6


7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7


nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:36


Peter also called them angels or spirits, and associated these during the days of Noah:


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4

and again

by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
1 Peter 3:19-20



Furthermore the giants in the promised land were said to be descendants of Anak, who originally came from Nephilim giants, not from descendants of Noah.

33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.” Numbers 13:33


Why would God have the children of Israel wipe out and destroy "godly men"?


JLB

And what does Psalm 82:6 have to say about sons of God?
And what is the Hebrew word the Kjv translates as 'children'?and what does it mean?
Just one verse and your whole structure comes tumbling down.

 

[JLB]

And what does Psalm 82:6 have to say about sons of God?
And what is the Hebrew word the Kjv translates as 'children'?and what does it mean?
Just one verse and your whole structure comes tumbling down.

Psalm 82 does not mention men.

Trying to build a doctrine from one vague scripture that is more than likely referencing angels is not how a teaching or doctrine is founded.

Sons of God in the Old Testament is a reference to angels, even Jesus used the term to refer to angels as well as those who are counted worthy to attain that age and the resurrection.

No sons of God or giants are mentioned in Noah's lineage so you have no scriptural proof that ungodly six fingered, six toed Nephilim giants were produced by Noah or his offspring.

JLB

 

[calvin]

Psalm 82 does not mention men.

Incredible. So who in the world of JLB does it mention?
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken—
Even Jesus realized that Psalm was addressed to men and is about men.
Psa 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
Psa 82:7 nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince.”
clearly not talking to angels or demons. No, talking to mere mortal men who are not toeing the line.
Like men, because though called gods, they are still mortal men.
Most of the fallacious claims about angels have now been thoroughly debunked.
You may believe as you choose. I'm satisfied that the truth has been presented and that the myth of angelic gene doping has been exposed for the myth that it is.
It is strange how you think that fallen angels can still be thought of being led by the Spirit of God (that is one of the qualifications of those who are 'sons of God')

 

[JLB]

Incredible. So who in the world of JLB does it mention?
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken—
Even Jesus realized that Psalm was addressed to men and is about men.
Psa 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
Psa 82:7 nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince.”
clearly not talking to angels or demons. No, talking to mere mortal men who are not toeing the line.
Like men, because though called gods, they are still mortal men.
Most of the fallacious claims about angels have now been thoroughly debunked.
You may believe as you choose. I'm satisfied that the truth has been presented and that the myth of angelic gene doping has been exposed for the myth that it is.
It is strange how you think that fallen angels can still be thought of being led by the Spirit of God (that is one of the qualifications of those who are 'sons of God')

Yes. I'm the one who mentioned John 10:35 to. Remember?

By saying you shall die like men, He is indicating the sons of God He is referring to are not men.

Which means He is referring to angels.

Besides. You have not shown where sons of God or giants are mentioned in Noah's genealogy.

Case closed.


JLB

 

[calvin]

By saying you shall die like men, He is indicating the sons of God He is referring to are not men.

If He is saying "you shall die like men" He is indicating the sons of God are mortal ie. not angels. Nor since fallen angels are being held over for judgement, can it be said that these angels have been made mortal in order to die.(like men).
Besides which since you wanted to have these fallen angels sent to prison way back when the flood came, it makes no sense to say in the presence of men by way of a psalm what was said if it was directed at angels in prison; the psalm is present tense not past not future tense.
Sorry you need a better case to argue than anything you have tabled to date.

 

[JLB]

If He is saying "you shall die like men" He is indicating the sons of God are mortal ie. not angels. Nor since fallen angels are being held over for judgement, can it be said that these angels have been made mortal in order to die.(like men).
Besides which since you wanted to have these fallen angels sent to prison way back when the flood came, it makes no sense to say in the presence of men by way of a psalm what was said if it was directed at angels in prison; the psalm is present tense not past not future tense.
Sorry you need a better case to argue than anything you have tabled to date.

Brother, your not answering the question, I asked. Please show us how Noah and his sons produced Nephilim giants after the flood.

You are ignoring the plain words of scripture.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

Here are the facts about this scripture:

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

• It wasn't just one but plural sons of God were involved.
• The sons of God were not affected by the flood and continued to produce Nephilim giants afterward.
• When the sons of God came into the daughters of men they produced Nephilim giants.

Since all flesh was wiped out by the flood, but the sons of God continued afterward to produce Nephilim giants, that means they were angels, or Noah was the source of the Nephilim giants.

If Noah was the source of the Nephilim giants then that would make his offspring Nephilim giants, because the scripture says the giants were produced when the sons of God, came into the daughters of men, as there is no record of any other offspring being produced by the relations between the sons of God and the daughters of men, other that Nephilim giants.

Again, the only offspring that was produced by the union between the sons of God and the daughters of men were Nephilim giants.

That plainly means if Noah is the source of the Nephilim giants, then his sons would be Nephilim giants, which means it is not only Noah as the only son of God left on earth, because his sons would be Nephilim giants, not sons of God.

So that means Noah is the only source after the flood that can produce Nephilim giants, since the scripture says that There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

• Not when Nephilim giants came into the daughters of men.

Since your theory that it was not angels but "godly men", who produced these Nephilim giants, then it could have only been Noah himself who was the source of the Nephilim giants after the flood, and since we know that the scripture says it was sons of God, [plural] that produced Nephilim giants both before and after the flood, that makes your "theory" that the sons of God were "godly men" and not angels.



For Noah to be a son of God that produced Nephilim giants, then everyone of Noah's offspring [Shem, Ham and Japeth] would be Nephilim giants, meaning that everyone after the flood is Nephilim giants.

This fact is plainly understood from reading the scripture and observing the genealogy both before and afterward concerning Noah.


So again my question remains... Please show us how Noah and his sons produced Nephilim giants after the flood. [from scripture]


JLB

 

[Randy]

Brother, your not answering the question, I asked. Please show us how Noah and his sons produced Nephilim giants after the flood.

You are ignoring the plain words of scripture.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

Here are the facts about this scripture:

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

• It wasn't just one but plural sons of God were involved.
• The sons of God were not affected by the flood and continued to produce Nephilim giants afterward.
• When the sons of God came into the daughters of men they produced Nephilim giants.

Since all flesh was wiped out by the flood, but the sons of God continued afterward to produce Nephilim giants, that means they were angels, or Noah was the source of the Nephilim giants.

If Noah was the source of the Nephilim giants then that would make his offspring Nephilim giants, because the scripture says the giants were produced when the sons of God, came into the daughters of men, as there is no record of any other offspring being produced by the relations between the sons of God and the daughters of men, other that Nephilim giants.

Again, the only offspring that was produced by the union between the sons of God and the daughters of men were Nephilim giants.

That plainly means if Noah is the source of the Nephilim giants, then his sons would be Nephilim giants, which means it is not only Noah as the only son of God left on earth, because his sons would be Nephilim giants, not sons of God.

So that means Noah is the only source after the flood that can produce Nephilim giants, since the scripture says that There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

• Not when Nephilim giants came into the daughters of men.

Since your theory that it was not angels but "godly men", who produced these Nephilim giants, then it could have only been Noah himself who was the source of the Nephilim giants after the flood, and since we know that the scripture says it was sons of God, [plural] that produced Nephilim giants both before and after the flood, that makes your "theory" that the sons of God were "godly men" and not angels.



For Noah to be a son of God that produced Nephilim giants, then everyone of Noah's offspring [Shem, Ham and Japeth] would be Nephilim giants, meaning that everyone after the flood is Nephilim giants.

This fact is plainly understood from reading the scripture and observing the genealogy both before and afterward concerning Noah.


So again my question remains... Please show us how Noah and his sons produced Nephilim giants after the flood. [from scripture]


JLB

At face value it does seem to suggest angels had offspring by women. Others have stated its an obscure passage of scripture.

 

[calvin]

At face value it does seem to suggest angels had offspring by women. Others have stated its an obscure passage of scripture.

Yes it is a bit obscure in parts, but we should never deny the fact that angels have no need of reproductive organs....even nature teaches us that.
Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
We learn from the natural world that 1, the Lord's nature is not to equip His creations with unnecessary parts. ie we don't have gills because we aren't meant to walk on the sea bed. We don't have wings because were are not meant to have aerial dog fights with eagles.
Angels are asexual so they wouldn't need any gender defining parts.
On this point, we never hear of girl angels, in particular taking a fancy to men and having children by them. Why is that? Something to think about.

 

[Randy]

Yes it is a bit obscure in parts, but we should never deny the fact that angels have no need of reproductive organs....even nature teaches us that.
Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
We learn from the natural world that 1, the Lord's nature is not to equip His creations with unnecessary parts. ie we don't have gills because we aren't meant to walk on the sea bed. We don't have wings because were are not meant to have aerial dog fights with eagles.
Angels are asexual so they wouldn't need any gender defining parts.
On this point, we never hear of girl angels, in particular taking a fancy to men and having children by them. Why is that? Something to think about.

Yes it is a bit obscure in parts, but we should never deny the fact that angels have no need of reproductive organs....even nature teaches us that.
Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
We learn from the natural world that 1, the Lord's nature is not to equip His creations with unnecessary parts. ie we don't have gills because we aren't meant to walk on the sea bed. We don't have wings because were are not meant to have aerial dog fights with eagles.
Angels are asexual so they wouldn't need any gender defining parts.
On this point, we never hear of girl angels, in particular taking a fancy to men and having children by them. Why is that? Something to think about.

I'd rather not think about whether angels who appeared as men have reproductive organs. (smile)

 

[JLB]

Yes it is a bit obscure in parts, but we should never deny the fact that angels have no need of reproductive organs....even nature teaches us that.
Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
We learn from the natural world that 1, the Lord's nature is not to equip His creations with unnecessary parts. ie we don't have gills because we aren't meant to walk on the sea bed. We don't have wings because were are not meant to have aerial dog fights with eagles.
Angels are asexual so they wouldn't need any gender defining parts.
On this point, we never hear of girl angels, in particular taking a fancy to men and having children by them. Why is that? Something to think about.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 6-7

These angels who left their own abode, are associated with the sexually immoral of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Why would the Holy Spirit associate angels with the sexually immoral if it were not possible for them to be sexually immoral?


Angels who leave their own abode,
the spirit world, and manifest as men on earth can certainly operate in this realm and function as humans.

These angels who were with the Lord, were their with Him legally on a mission to observe first hand the situation at Sodom and could eat food and drink.

In addition the homosexuals at Sodom wanted to rape them as well.

18 Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. 4 Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. 5 And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant.”

They said, “Do as you have said.”
6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, “Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes.” 7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it. 8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate.

Genesis 18:1-8

• So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate.

JLB

 

[calvin]

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 6-7

These angels who left their own abode, are associated with the sexually immoral of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Why would the Holy Spirit associate angels with the sexually immoral if it were not possible for them to be sexually immoral?


Angels who leave their own abode,
the spirit world, and manifest as men on earth can certainly operate in this realm and function as humans.

These angels who were with the Lord, were their with Him legally on a mission to observe first hand the situation at Sodom and could eat food and drink.

In addition the homosexuals at Sodom wanted to rape them as well.

18 Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. 4 Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. 5 And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant.”

They said, “Do as you have said.”
6 So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, “Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes.” 7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it. 8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate.

Genesis 18:1-8

• So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate.

JLB

I can see from your post that you are very close minded.
I pointed out why reference to Jude and to Peter were wrong because one needs to inject information that just simply is not there and to go ahead and forge an understanding that was never meant to be.
I further guided you to discover for yourself that your assertion that men were never referred to as sons of God in the old testament is wrong, very wrong but you seemed to just brush the scripture aside because it doesn't suit the eisegetic interpretation that you have adopted.
Here it is again but in slightly greater detail.
Psa 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; Esv
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.Kjv
The word that the Kjv translates as 'children' is bên (from strong's #H1121.ie. sons.
And surely you would not disagree that the 'most high' refers to God.
So then some times men are indeed referred to as sons of God in the Old Testament, contrary to your claims otherwise.
See how your entire edifice is crumbling before your very eyes?
2 Pet 2:4 no accusation of sexual activity on the part of angels.
1 Pet 3:19 No way can this whole dialogue be distorted to mean He preached to fallen angels in hell. But that He preached to those of mankind who were destroyed by the flood 1Pet 3:22 and see also Eph 4:8 where do you suppose these captives came from?
Jude 1:6 Again absolutely no accusation whatsoever of any sex related conduct on the part of angels.
Only by injecting your own pre conceived ideas into those oft misquoted scriptures can a case be built to support any accusation of sexual involvement by angels. Scripture itself does not support the idea and for one very good reason........it doesn't exist; never has.
I can see that you are very closed minded by the very fact that you have tabled those very scriptures which have previously been shown to not even address the opening thesis.
So, are we done?

 

[JLB]

I can see from your post that you are very close minded.
I pointed out why reference to Jude and to Peter were wrong because one needs to inject information that just simply is not there and to go ahead and forge an understanding that was never meant to be.
I further guided you to discover for yourself that your assertion that men were never referred to as sons of God in the old testament is wrong, very wrong but you seemed to just brush the scripture aside because it doesn't suit the eisegetic interpretation that you have adopted.
Here it is again but in slightly greater detail.
Psa 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; Esv
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.Kjv
The word that the Kjv translates as 'children' is bên (from strong's #H1121.ie. sons.
And surely you would not disagree that the 'most high' refers to God.
So then some times men are indeed referred to as sons of God in the Old Testament, contrary to your claims otherwise.
See how your entire edifice is crumbling before your very eyes?
2 Pet 2:4 no accusation of sexual activity on the part of angels.
1 Pet 3:19 No way can this whole dialogue be distorted to mean He preached to fallen angels in hell. But that He preached to those of mankind who were destroyed by the flood 1Pet 3:22 and see also Eph 4:8 where do you suppose these captives came from?
Jude 1:6 Again absolutely no accusation whatsoever of any sex related conduct on the part of angels.
Only by injecting your own pre conceived ideas into those oft misquoted scriptures can a case be built to support any accusation of sexual involvement by angels. Scripture itself does not support the idea and for one very good reason........it doesn't exist; never has.
I can see that you are very closed minded by the very fact that you have tabled those very scriptures which have previously been shown to not even address the opening thesis.
So, are we done?

You can call me all the names you like.

Just show from the scriptures how Noah, as a son of God that produced Nephilim giants, had no Nephilim giants in his genealogy.

Since you claim Noah was the source of Nephilim giants, and not angels, then you are obligated to back up your theory with scripture.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4


My position remains, that the sons of God were angels, that left their own abode, and had relations with the daughters of men, that produced Nephilim giants both before and after the flood.

• There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

Nephilim giants were produced when the sons of God came into the daughters of men.
That is the only offspring that the scripture list's came from the union of the sons of God and daughters on men.
This union produced Nephilim giants before and after the flood.The union between the sons of God and daughters of men


These were the families of the sons of Noah, according to their generations, in their nations; and from these the nations were divided on the earth after the flood. Genesis 10:32


If the union between the sons of God [godly men] and daughters of men only produced giants, then why doesn't the scripture list any giants in Noah's genealogy, as he was responsible for populating the entire earth?


JLB

 

[Edward]

And answer this question. Where did evil spirits and demons come from?

It's not in scripture that God created them.

Yet Jesus spent much of His time on earth casting out demons and evil spirits. It says so all over the NT.
Where did they come from.

 

[Chopper]

What are we to understand regarding the sons of God and daughters of men? Were there Giants on the earth, as a result of the relationship between the sons of God and daughters of men? What distinguishes the daughters of men from the sons of God?



The sons of God and daughters of men is a false doctrine
1 Tim 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

The sons of God and daughters of men doctrine is one of these fables!

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

These fables exist simply because men who are without the Spirit of knowledge, can not even begin to really understand the Word of God.

Gen 3:9-10 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Did the Lord God who created all things by merely speaking them into existence, really not know what Adam had done? The spiritual differences between the sons of God and daughters of men, are well known by the Lord. There is indeed a Blessing for those that are called the sons of God (Matt 5:9). The sons of god were not to intermingle with the daughters of ungodly men.

2 Cor 6:1 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

The sons of God and daughters of men theory is the stuff of science fiction, it has no place in the minds of those who are in Christ.

If it were possible, the false Christ and false prophet would deceive the very elect (Matt 24:24). How easy will it be to deceive those who already believe in fairy tales.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Without the Spirit of knowledge, mankind can not realize the awesome power of God. Also they are unable to discern between truth and fiction.

The sons of God and daughters of men - Who were the sons of God?

Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

To come up with an interpretation of the sons of God and daughters of men referring to fallen angels, having sexual relationships with earthly women, is simply ludicrous.

Deut 14:1-2 Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead. For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

The sons of God and daughters of men, also represents the children of God, and all others who were not the people of God (Exodus 6:7).

Job 1:1-2 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

The notion that fallen angels would be able to present themselves before God is ludicrous.

Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

To understand the sons of God and who this endearing term refers to, we only need to look at God’s own description of which people He considers His children.

Ex 29:45 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.

There is a clue early on in Genesis. The sons of God call upon the name of the Lord.

Most who subscribe to the sons of God and daughters of men theory, also believe in two separate creation events. The first creation is to be found in Genesis 1:1 thru 2:3. The second creation is apparently found in Genesis 2:4, and following.

God clearly defines the identity of the sons of God and daughters of men

Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

The fairy tale of the false teachers within the church, would have us to believe that Cain went and found his wife within the group of people from this first creation.

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

The genealogy of the generations of Adam, Noah, Abraham and David do not include every one that is born. Out of these generations God would choose faithful men who were declared righteous through Christ (Luke 1:5-6, Rom 1:17, Heb 10:38).

Matt 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

The lineage of Cain who was taken by evil resulting in works of wickedness, is found in Genesis 4:16-23. You shall know them that are of the wicked one by the fruits they produce ( Math 7:17, 1 John 3:12, Jude 1:11).

Gen 5:1-3 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth.

The sons of God and daughters of men, represent two very different genealogies. The generations listed in the above verse do not mention Cain, but his lineage would refer to the daughters of men.

For whatever the reason, it is apparent to me that you only know some surface abilities of Satan. I cringe when men try and teach about a biblical subject that they don't have a clue about what they are teaching. There has always been a war that Satan started in the Garden of Eden to conquer the Son of God Jesus. Throughout stages of history, Satan tries to stop the birth of the Messiah. Genesis six is one of them and Satan almost succeeded. Here it is....

Genesis 6:5 "The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6:6 And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
6:7 So the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them."
6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

Just how do you think the human race sunk to such a low as verse 5? Satan and his plan to remove all God influence from mankind, that's how. Praise God for verse 8.

I don't think it wise to teach on what we don't know much about. My advise? Take a trip to California and question Dr. John MacArthur Jr. on this subject and he will tell you that you are wrong.



Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,
Heb 5:13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child.
Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

Just as a further note, you say that Genesis 6 account is a fable? I'd be careful of calling the Word of God, a fable. So what else is a fable? The atheists call the resurrection of Jesus Christ, a fable. Is Noah a fable? How about the Gospel, a fable?

 

[Randy]

And answer this question. Where did evil spirits and demons come from?

It's not in scripture that God created them.

Yet Jesus spent much of His time on earth casting out demons and evil spirits. It says so all over the NT.
Where did they come from.

It is in hebrews God makes His angels.... And in REV there was war in heaven and Satan and His angels were cast to the earth.

 

[JLB]

For whatever the reason, it is apparent to me that you only know some surface abilities of Satan. I cringe when men try and teach about a biblical subject that they don't have a clue about what they are teaching. There has always been a war that Satan started in the Garden of Eden to conquer the Son of God Jesus. Throughout stages of history, Satan tries to stop the birth of the Messiah. Genesis six is one of them and Satan almost succeeded. Here it is....

Genesis 6:5 "The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6:6 And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
6:7 So the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them."
6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

Just how do you think the human race sunk to such a low as verse 5? Satan and his plan to remove all God influence from mankind, that's how. Praise God for verse 8.

I don't think it wise to teach on what we don't know much about. My advise? Take a trip to California and question Dr. John MacArthur Jr. on this subject and he will tell you that you are wrong.



Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,
Heb 5:13 for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child.
Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

It's beyond me, how people could possibly claim that "godly men" [not angels] produced evil Nephilim giants, by fornicating with "ungodly women", in which all humanity had become corrupt.


Then also claim, it was Noah who was one of these sons of God, since the sons of God were unaffected by the flood, having continued to produce Nephilim giants afterward.


Would possible good could come from saying "godly men" are the cause of such a thing?


Sounds like a scheme of Satan to me, to spread the idea that "godly men" [sons of God] were the cause of the evil giants.




JLB

 

[Chopper]

It's beyond me, how people could possibly claim that "godly men" [not angels] produced evil Nephilim giants, by fornicating with "ungodly women", in which all humanity had become corrupt.


Then also claim, it was Noah who was one of these sons of God, since the sons of God were unaffected by the flood, having continued to produce Nephilim giants afterward.


Would possible good could come from saying "godly men" are the cause of such a thing?


Sounds like a scheme of Satan to me, to spread the idea that "godly men" [sons of God] were the cause of the evil giants.




JLB

I like your reasoning old friend. I haven't read every post of this thread, so I'm not aware of what you just wrote. Because I trust your godly insight into spiritual matters, I'll go back and read all your responses to get an idea of the flow of this thread....See you later Buddy.

 

[Chopper]

Brother.

We are discussing scripture.

Scripture is God's word to us, to teach us.

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.Genesis 6:4

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men.

and also afterward teaches us this activity continued after the flood.

This Can can only be true if the sons of God avoided destruction by the flood.


JLB

Which they avoided the flood because they were fallen angels. They simply rose above the waters to later return to their war against the birth of the Christ Child.

 

[Chopper]

Ok JLB, I have read most of your defense of Genesis 6. Keep up the good work. Hey, if God didn't want us to be aware of these happenings, He wouldn't have put it in His sacred Word. There are lessons to be learned from this account of Satan's scheme to overthrow God's plan to produce a human line from Adam, thru David, thru Mary, to birth the Savior Jesus to....John 1:29 "The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

 

[Edward]

It is in hebrews God makes His angels.... And in REV there was war in heaven and Satan and His angels were cast to the earth.

No, Brother...Jesus did not go around casting out fallen angels, He cast out evil spirits and demons. That was the question.

They had to come from somewhere.