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Bible Study The Word of God.
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Amen, the first "word" mention in the Bible is telling us the Word is a shield. It is describing Jesus and Jesus is the Word.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and quick to discern the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth proceeded a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Nathan
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I really do not mean to break the thread. It is just that you said you are trying to go where the Spirit leads you. I am just trying to understand what that is. I mean, if it is simply to recite the Bible in a way that ties certain words together from different places, then by all means proceed. By all means proceed if not. I would just simply love to hear what it is that you feel you are being led to do. There is no judgmental attitude associated with this, it is pure curiosity. I love to hear and read the Bible. And it really seems that is about what your doing. Just curious if you feel it is more than that.
This word "word" in this context is rhema, we speak, in faith, standing on the Word. Is that right?
Amen, the Word is the Sword when you speak it, when it leaves your mouth.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Before you can "do it" you must first believe it in your heart. After believing in your heart, you will be able to speak it. We cannot speak what we do not believe. We cannot do what we do not believe .
Pro 2:1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
Pro 2:2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
Pro 2:3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
Pro 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Pro 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
If, If, If , THEN.
Pro 2:2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
Pro 2:3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
Pro 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Pro 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
If, If, If , THEN.
God spoke the Word into Mary's womb, He also spoke the 10 Commandments to Moses and then those were put into the ark of the covenant. The 10 commandments are fulfilled in the New Covenant, so essentially could you say these were all pointing to Jesus and the NT Covenant, like a type/shadow? I started thinking about this last night, off topic but I didn't know where else to put it. ha
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Elijah674
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If so, what are they doing in the temple in heaven at the time of the judgement? Rev. 11:18-19
And how can Eccl. 12:13-14 be the Truth [OF THE WHOLE MATTER}???
And the SAVED in Rev. 12:17??? 'Keeping the Commandments OF GOD [and] the'TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST'
And Rockie my friend, [THAT IS THE WORD OF GOD!]
Matt. 4:4 & 2 Tim. 3:16--Elijah
Yes, I agree. As far as the 10 commandments, I was speaking of when they actually put them in the ark, maybe the ark is not a type in this instance, but was thinking it could be.If so, what are they doing in the temple in heaven at the time of the judgement? Rev. 11:18-19
And how can Eccl. 12:13-14 be the Truth [OF THE WHOLE MATTER}???
And the SAVED in Rev. 12:17??? 'Keeping the Commandments OF GOD [and] the'TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST'
And Rockie my friend, [THAT IS THE WORD OF GOD!]
--Elijah
Nathan
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Jesus Christ is the Ark of God. And indeed, He did fulfill every part of the Law. But that does not mean that the 10 'Words' have been buried under a rock somewhere. These Words of God have been placed into your heart.
Gal 3:21-9 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
The 'Word of God' is what we are baptized into, it is what we come a part of. We are in Christ, therefore what Christ is...is in us. We have 'put on' Christ. All that He is, is who we are to be. The 10 Words are not null and void, they are apart of who we are now.
So, we live by faith, righteousness comes by faith, and the faith we have is found and anchored to everything Christ is. That is, our faith is in the WHOLE of God's Word. It is not so much that the Word of God is 'fulfilled' in Christ(even though it is true), but it is WHO Christ is. He is the Word that became one of us. It is only fulfilled in the aspect that He does not point to something else as a shadow does, He is what everything points too. So our faith is found IN Him, IN the Word.
Gal 3:21-9 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
The 'Word of God' is what we are baptized into, it is what we come a part of. We are in Christ, therefore what Christ is...is in us. We have 'put on' Christ. All that He is, is who we are to be. The 10 Words are not null and void, they are apart of who we are now.
So, we live by faith, righteousness comes by faith, and the faith we have is found and anchored to everything Christ is. That is, our faith is in the WHOLE of God's Word. It is not so much that the Word of God is 'fulfilled' in Christ(even though it is true), but it is WHO Christ is. He is the Word that became one of us. It is only fulfilled in the aspect that He does not point to something else as a shadow does, He is what everything points too. So our faith is found IN Him, IN the Word.
The Ark points to Jesus, that was my point, not the other way around. Thank you for clarifying it for me, I think I was misunderstanding Elijah's point, but now I know what it is and I don't want to debate it. ha
Nathan gave a good answer to this.
The Ark is indeed a type of Jesus Christ.Types and shadows can have more than one meaning and can point to other things too.
Indeed the Word and commands of God are now written on our hearts. Christians cannot and must not follow any written law. You must follow what is written on your heart. For instance we still cannot steal or murder, because our hearts will tell us we cannot. We cannot go against our hearts. Jas 4:17 To him therefore that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. There is no law left, except the law in your heart. And if Christ lives there through His Word, we KNOW what to do.
We cannot even live under spiritual laws that man gives us to live under. Some fellowships will say they are righteous because the DO something, or the ladies all have long hair and are wearing their clothing in a certain way. There is nothing wrong with modesty, but there is something wrong with a law about what modesty is. If modesty is not in the heart, it does not matter what we wear !
We see that the Bible speaks of "The law" (meaning the old testament Law) and then it speaks about just "law" and that would be any man made regulation regarding days, eating habits, clothing, even speaking in tongues can become a law and so can baptism and every that is right and righteous can become wrong and evil if we make it into a law.
There is no law except the one in our hearts !
Nathan
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Right. I hope I did not sound like I was trying to debate. Only help you along with this. It seemed that you may have been questioning something about it.
I like what Cornelius has said, clarifying even further what I said. The physical piece of stone, what the Words of God were written on in past, even parchments and animal skins; all are replaced with the living heart of a man or woman. So just as they 'carried' the Ark that had the "word" in and on it, so too we 'carry' Him in us. But not only that, we find ourselves in Him also. We become one.
2Cr 4:7-10 But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies.
The only way Paul could say that is because he had the Living Word of God in him. He could be afflicted by the world, but would not be crushed because of the solid truth in him. Perplexed by the things of the world, but not in despair because he knew the truth from the Word. Persecuted by mankind, but not forsaken by God because His aboded is in him. Struck down by people, but not destroyed because the Word of God cannot be destroyed it endures forever.
Thanks C and Nathan.
Nathan, no you did not sound like you wanted to debate at all. When I brought up the 10 commandments, I realized what I had done as yes, the law is written on our hearts and the commandments are satisfied by "love the Lord your God AND love your neighbor as yourself", so these are the two commandments given to us, and if we follow them, we're not going to break the commandments and Jesus is our Sabbath now, so the 10 commandments were really given to the Israelites.
However, the only reason I brought this up was because of God's spoken Word, He spoke the Word into Mary's Womb AND He spoke the 10 commandments, the power of His Word.
Nathan, no you did not sound like you wanted to debate at all. When I brought up the 10 commandments, I realized what I had done as yes, the law is written on our hearts and the commandments are satisfied by "love the Lord your God AND love your neighbor as yourself", so these are the two commandments given to us, and if we follow them, we're not going to break the commandments and Jesus is our Sabbath now, so the 10 commandments were really given to the Israelites.
However, the only reason I brought this up was because of God's spoken Word, He spoke the Word into Mary's Womb AND He spoke the 10 commandments, the power of His Word.