Bible Study Two Covenants: The Old and New

[Sparkey]

I like the two mountains that reba was talking about. Here comes sparrow's paraphrase and I'm not going to try to pretend that I picked this next part out of a pre-prepared sermon folder that I have magically sitting around, but it will be off the cuff. In other words, please correct me if I get it wrong, but also, please don't nit-pic me too much, I know that's fun, but I'm asking please...

Mt. Sinai was the place where everybody (not just Moses) was invited initially to come before God. Israel stayed in the Wilderness of Sinai for more than 57 chapters of Scripture in the year they camped near and about Mount Sinai. It took them three months of trusting God to get to this place, but they finally arrived. Then there was more waiting... but what's a single year when they wandered 40 years?

Anyway, Sinai was the place where Moses met the burning bush. The whole nation was going to get their part of the Moses experience. That's the trembling mountain. But when the Israelite got closer and saw that Gods holiness was a deadly terror to flesh? When they understood that "Fear of the Lord" could also mean "Terror of the Lord" ?!? Even the mountain shook at His Presence. You may have heard of the 'Terror of Yitzhak' (Isaac, the most mysterious forefather). Yeah. Imagine HIS terror when he saw his dad under the influence of the Holy Spirit getting ready to slay him on an 'holy' altar ... Yikes! Even the birds (even sparrows? yes, even sparrows) died just because they flew too close -- sheesh.... they refused. (The Children of God refused, that is, not the dead, the poor, dead sparrow or other birds).

But we are NOT called there. That's what Paul said to the Hebrews and that's what reba mentioned earlier. There is no need to fear. Yes, we are to be holy, but it's not by the old covenant that we are being called any more. That old marriage covenant, that old espousal agreement was set aside. But it wasn't repudiated. (That's a legal term, friend - look it up). And there is so much about that in the Bible about this that it's almost impossible to find stuff that doesn't include it (at least by implication). But that doesn't mean that God is no longer holy, nor does it mean that we are no longer called to be like Him. We shall be like Him, but we just don't yet know what that means. We are in that process even now. I am convinced that part, a very big part, is learning how to discern His body.

Learning what I like to call the Psalm 133 lesson. Some translators look at the Hebrew in the last verse and to them (and they are more expert than me) it sounds like God was saying that the dew of Mt. Hermon actually fell on Zion. But even if you can't grasp that thought, certainly you can understand that brothers joining together in unity, and building each other up in our most holy faith is what it's about. And if not? I certainly hope for you, and for your sake, that this misapprehension will fall as if it were scales from your eyes.

Where is there some mud when I need it? Oh, never-mind. We're online. That wouldn't work anyway. But there is still a way. Faith, and by His Spirit. Not strength, not by might... nope.
"But by My Spirit, saith the Lord of Hosts..."

 

[Chopper]

Well well! What an amazing thread you have here EZ. Your are right on! I am currently studying the Old Covenant with it's laws and rules thru all of the sacrifices. I'm about to enter Lev. 17. Now that you are differentiating between the old and new, I'm really excited to learn all you have to say. I must admit, my thinking has been stuck in the old but now that I'm seeing just what the old really entailed, I'm ready for the new!....TEACH ON Brother.

 

[jocor]

So how can you and I have that law applied now? Do we really have to wait for it to physically descend?
Answer: No. There is no pie-in-the-sky that is out of our reach. God makes all good things and they descend down from Him. By faith we have access to all that belongs to Jesus. He is not stingy like that.

The law that needs to be applied, as I understand it, is Torah, not just the letter, but primarily the deeper spiritual intent that Yeshua taught us. We will break the spirit of the law before we break the letter. We will lust after a women in our heart before we actually commit literal adultery. However, to break the letter is still sin. When the "law goes forth from Zion," it will go forth to the nations that do not have Yeshua or the law. New Covenant believers already have the law, but some refuse to walk in it because they have been taught it is abolished.

 

[Sparkey]

I don't like technical terms like "abolished" and instead prefer to use legal terms and legal definitions. So many arguments about the meaning of abolished. The law has not been repudiated.

It is also abolished, but one almost needs to be a scholar these days to know what that means.

Okay, let me demonstrate the point by asking when was it that God almost sinned?
We know that God is Holy and it's also true to say that He is utterly holy, there is no sin in Him. He's so holy it may rightly be said that He can not look upon sin. He's so holy that no flesh can even approach him, lest it die. He's so holy that the statesman of statesmen, Isaiah, who was comfortable speaking before royalty, pronounced a curse against himself when he caught a glimpse of the holiness, "Woe is me!" (that's the prophetic curse formula) -- "Woe is me, for I am a man of unclean lips..."

God is so holy that if this were a comedic routine it could be likened to "My mother is soooo fat...." "How fat is she,"

But the fact is, He is utterly Holy. And here's the thing. The law is good! So now back to where I almost came close to suggesting that God sinned. Yeah. That's the challenge. What? Sparrow. Do NOT go there.

Oh, I'm going there. I am commanded to be bold, am I isn't? So there we are and David had just got done spying on who was it? Bathing Bathsheba, right? And he hatched a plot to have Uriah put away so that he, the King could have her. And by "put away" I don't mean sent to the old folks home. David told the commander of the army to get him close to the heat of the battle and then withdraw.

And now, for the almost sin -- Can you see that what God did, when He put the law away was similar to what David did? He put that which is good away. There's nothing wrong with the law. But God, who says that He is altogether God, put that old marriage covenant away because it did not work, and He established a new covenant, not one written on stone, but instead it is one written on our hearts. Yours and mine. and that's the covenant that actually works.

I hope that you don't hear me hotly debating your points because I'm not. It's entirely possible that we are both in agreement, but we just have not worked it out completely. That's the same things as what is happening in the larger picture too.

 

[jocor]

Oh, I'm going there. I am commanded to be bold, am I isn't? So there we are and David had just got done spying on who was it? Bathing Bathsheba, right? And he hatched a plot to have Uriah put away so that he, the King could have her. And by "put away" I don't mean sent to the old folks home. David told the commander of the army to get him close to the heat of the battle and then withdraw.

And now, for the almost sin -- Can you see that what God did, when He put the law away was similar to what David did? He put that which is good away. There's nothing wrong with the law. But God, who says that He is altogether God, put that old marriage covenant away because it did not work, and He established a new covenant, not one written on stone, but instead it is one written on our hearts. Yours and mine. and that's the covenant that actually works.

I don't see anywhere where YHWH put the law away. Paul said, "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Rom 3:31). I fully agree that the "old marriage covenant" was put away and the New Covenant established, but I believe the same words written in stone are now written in our hearts and minds as well as many other laws. Instead of trying to obey them in the flesh under the OC, we are empowered to obey them through the help of the Holy Spirit under the NC. Instead of awaiting our death penalty for breaking the Law under the OC, the death penalty has been paid by Yeshua. We must still obey them. If we don't, it is sin. "Sin is the transgression of the Law" (1 John 3:4) and the Law has been firmly established through faith.

 

[Sparkey]

I don't see anywhere where YHWH put the law away. ...

The term "Put her away" or, as I used it, "put the law away" refers to a writ of divorce. The typology was in reference to David and Bathsheba with Uriah being the Law. David had issued a death decree to have her spouse, the Hittite "put away". And according to my story (I should know, I made it up), it was all under the subject of that time when God almost sinned. Meaning I made it up. In other words, it never happened. Have I asked people to not (DO NOT) nit-pic me?

If the old marriage covenant may be personified, she may also be put away and/or divorced. But if you think that I was talking about being under two marriage contracts? Why, that's awfully Big-O-Me (bigamy), isn't it?

But now that you mention it, let me continue...
God was like David in that he saw a most beautiful sight -- the very thing that He wanted for Jesus, His only begotten son. And I do think that conception, or rather, that dream of a conception was similar indeed to what David might have been longing for as he looked out over his kingdom. But our Father wanted us, for His son, and it wasn't about David any more.

So yes, Uriah (the old marriage contract/covenant proposal) was modified from the law written on stone to the new, the law to be written on hearts. The old was set aside in preference of the new and that was not because the old agreement was not beautiful and good in and of herself. She was a sweetie. Nothing wrong with her. She didn't have bulbous eyes as did some... nope, the Law was beautiful and good -- but that would never deliver the child. Not gonna happen. God did not want to deliver an eternally barren to his Son - so the old agreement was given a writ of divorce (put away) and the new was proposed. Our agreement with Him allows us to be espoused to His son in a way that will bare fruit (even if we are barren - rejoice ye barren for ...)

 

[jocor]

The term "Put her away" or, as I used it, "put the law away" refers to a writ of divorce. The typology was in reference to David and Bathsheba with Uriah being the Law. David had issued a death decree to have her spouse, the Hittite "put away". And according to my story (I should know, I made it up), it was all under the subject of that time when God almost sinned. Meaning I made it up. In other words, it never happened. Have I asked people to not (DO NOT) nit-pic me?

If the old marriage covenant may be personified, she may also be put away and/or divorced. But if you think that I was talking about being under two marriage contracts? Why, that's awfully Big-O-Me (bigamy), isn't it?

But now that you mention it, let me continue...
God was like David in that he saw a most beautiful sight -- the very thing that He wanted for Jesus, His only begotten son. And I do think that conception, or rather, that dream of a conception was similar indeed to what David might have been longing for as he looked out over his kingdom. But our Father wanted us, for His son, and it wasn't about David any more.

So yes, Uriah (the old marriage contract/covenant proposal) was modified from the law written on stone to the new, the law to be written on hearts. The old was set aside in preference of the new and that was not because the old agreement was not beautiful and good in and of herself. She was a sweetie. Nothing wrong with her. She didn't have bulbous eyes as did some... nope, the Law was beautiful and good -- but that would never deliver the child. Not gonna happen. God did not want to deliver an eternally barren to his Son - so the old agreement was given a writ of divorce (put away) and the new was proposed. Our agreement with Him allows us to be espoused to His son in a way that will bare fruit (even if we are barren - rejoice ye barren for ...)

While the OC was indeed put away, the Law was not. The Law is NOT the OC. It was a part of the OC that provided the knowledge of sin. It is now part of the NC and still provides the knowledge of sin.

 

[Sparkey]

Your story is an allegory with no basis in fact.

And your statement about me, although it may be more factual, is not necessarily more truthful -AND- it does not belong here in the no debate area better known as Bible study. The only way that you can controvert what I said and say it has no basis in fact is if you appeared before God and asked him directly, "Did you have any thoughts about putting away the old wedding contract as Sparrow suggested?"

Otherwise, your statement (above) also has no basis in fact.

The Law is NOT the OC.

I never said it was. Not once.

I have stated on multiple occasions that the Law was perfect. I have said it was beautiful (it is) but I have also clearly explained as many times as I am going to, that I spoke of the previous marriage contract that was given a writ of divorcement and/or put away. If you have a problem with that, a private conversation would be a better venue than public dissension between brothers in bible study of all places. But if you insist, then go ahead. I'll be your raspberry. I have thoughts about you too, but notice how well I am keeping them to myself. Watch out, I tend to use my own set of vocabulary words in order to vex trouble-makers. You're not talking about the same things as me. That's obvious even to you. It must be.

Read this post before it is gone. I'm reporting my own post. Sheesh. This is more frustrating than it's worth.

 

[AirDancer]

This is a non-debate forum.

Please keep in mind our Terms of Service (ToS) as well as our Statement of Faith (SoF) as you compose posts.

This reminder is directed to ALL who read and participate in the Bible Study Forum.

 

[Sparkey]

I'll go back to reading the thread (for a bit) and apologize for my part of the interruption.

 

[ezrider]

Thanks reba, but there was a real physical place that had prophetic significance. This is the Zion I am referring to. The Law that came forth from Zion. Not the law of Moses, but the Law of God.

Just so I make my self clear to all, I was not in disagreement with the scriptures that reba posted. The law has been going forth from Heavenly Zion for two thousand years. But I agree with others that there are two Mt Zion's. There is the Heavenly Spiritual Zion, and then there is a real mountain in the lands of Israel that is the focus of my attention as it had real significant prophetical fulfillment in Christ.

That physical mountain called Sion is in the land known as Galilee, and it is the mountain from which Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount.

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[ezrider]

So why is the mountain in Galilee?

Deuteronomy 4:48
From Aroer, which is by the bank of the river Arnon, even unto mount Sion, which is Hermon.

As the borders of the tribes of Israel are established, we find here that it extended unto mount Sion, which is called Hermon.

So why does Hermon become significant.

Because after the reign of King Solomon the Kingdom was divided. The stronghold of the Northern Tribes of Israel was Sion, Mt Hermon. The Southern Tribes from Jerusalem.

Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. The lost tribes of the Northern Kingdom that was destroyed by the Assyrians.

Jesus went to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. The Northern Kingdom, from whence is Mount Sion, called Hermon. A mountain located to the north of Galilee. When Jesus went up into the mountain to teach the "sermon on the mount" the prophecy of the Law going forth from Zion was being fulfilled as the prophets foretold in Isaiah 2 and Micah 4.

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[ezrider]

I have stated a few time now that the Law as it went forth from Zion began with the 10 blessings of the Lord, but to some that was met with, well, what shall we say, other than it was not received. But the question is why was it not received as such.

What did the prophets declare to you concerning this new covenant,

Psalm 133
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
for brethren to dwell together in unity!
It is like the precious ointment upon the head,
that ran down upon the beard,
even Aaron's beard:that went down to the skirts of his garments;
As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion:
for there the Lord commanded the blessing,
even life for evermore.




From there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore. The message of the Gospel.



Matthew 5:1-12
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness 'sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.



As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion:
for there the Lord commanded the blessing,
even life for evermore.


Choose carefully this day which law and from which mountain you hear the Spirit of God from. For you either listen to the word as it went forth from Sinai, or else you have been called forth to hear the word as it went forth from Zion.

Deuteronomy 18:15-19
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

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[Sparkey]

WB ezrider. I take that as an "all clear" sound.

Psalm 133 is one of my favorites. It's short enough so that you can study it as deep as you want and I never seem to run out of new things to learn. Thank you for incorporating that treasure. I can tell you love it too. Some translators make it sound like the Hebrew said that the dew from Hermon fell on Zion. I don't know how to test that... but like that too. Hebrew is a very different language. A "primitive" and certainly not a "modern" language.

 

[Chopper]

I must apologize for not coming into this thread at the start, sorry. Now that I'm here, I've read many, not all posts and I'd like to make a suggestion, if allowed. I have come to believe that our Brother "ez" has been anointed by our Lord to cause us to understand revelation that is new to our thinking presently.

I'm wondering if instead of finding fault or objections to ez's instruction, we could rather encourage him to move on. I realize that we can learn more information from questioning ez and that's good, but I sense some negative reception to what ez is presenting. As for me? I have been studying very closely Genesis, Exodus, and Leviticus so that I can obtain an interest into the mind of the God of Israel, or known to them as Yhovah their Elohiym. The heart of God was for a people to want to be holy because He was holy. Such love I see in this very strange Elohiym to put up with such a stiff-necked people who just could not get with the program.

With great care, Our God, or as we know Him, our Heavenly Father, brought the Old Covenant to a close so that He could institute a New Covenant thru His beloved, part of Himself, the redeemer Christ, Jesus! That shed Blood of the Christ on the Cross was the end of one Covenant that was instituted to cast an eye from the impossibility to cancel out sin to a New Covenant that would change everything!

As I study the Old Covenant, I see a Nation, BUT, As I see what ez is presenting, I see a KINGDOM! Hey, everything directed at me from my Father is a New Covenant in His Christ because of the great holy love that is in the bosom of our Father, He made it possible for me to become a Bride. Hey, I said a BRIDE!! Jesus is my Husband!! Did you grasp that?? My Husband. Oh my friends, I'm so much in love with my Husband Jesus, there's nothing I won't do for that kind of love because Jesus died such a cruel death for my love. His sacrifice for me changed everything.

From my studies of the Old Covenant, I see an impossible set of Commands, Statues, and rules for a human to accomplish all the time. Those were for a Nation to represent their Elohiym to the nations of sinful people. The Holy Elohiym demanded a people of His own to show the known world at that time a Nation that was different and holy.

A Kingdom has arrived my friends, a Kingdom with all those Commands, Statues, and Rules written in my heart. Oh, I can't explain the wonderful drive that makes up my whole reason for living, it's a drive and passion to be holy as He is Holy. My Husband Jesus holds my heart in the palm of His Hand and close to His heart, and is calling me to a Heavenly marriage supper up yonder.

Romans 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." Just look at what the Scripture says about me and you. "holy and acceptable" unto God. This New Covenant declares me to be holy and acceptable! That sure is different than the Old Covenant right?

OK, I'll quit for now. I just wanted you folk to know how a simple man like myself see's what ez is trying to teach us. It's something very new to our thinking. I can almost taste the power that is in these things. I have not discussed the mounts of origin of the commands because that is all past. I'm living in the present and want what's before me, not the past. We can argue many points of theology, only to stay in the past. Lets move from a Nation to a Kingdom.

Kingdom Living with our Husband Jesus prior to that great Marriage Supper. Please ez, keep teaching on this new life as I'm extremely interested in new revelation as the Spirit of Almighty God reveals these things to His Kingdom Kids....All power of wisdom and knowledge be to you ez, in the Name of our Husband and Ruler of His Kingdom, Jesus, the Christ and Redeemer of God.

 

[smaller]

As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion:
for there the Lord commanded the blessing,
even life for evermore.

From there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore. The message of the Gospel.

Matthew 5:1-12
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness 'sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion:
for there the Lord commanded the blessing,
even life for evermore.

Choose carefully this day which law and from which mountain you hear the Spirit of God from. For you either listen to the word as it went forth from Sinai, or else you have been called forth to hear the word as it went forth from Zion.

Deuteronomy 18:15-19
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him..

Jesus said no differently in Luke 4:4, Matt. 4:4

Man will live by every Word of God.

Some people can't find "life" in the Words of the O.T. And, because they do not "obey" the Spirit of the Law, which is Love, they end up denying many Words of God. Yet we know that the law is spiritual, and therefore meant for life.

The difficulty is "how" then should the "law" be read. Paul provides Perfect Exposition of the entirety of the O.T. Laws, here:

Romans 13:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Those who "do this" will be led to see, and to live, in love.

AFTER this, any who are so led will also be led to comprehend the more difficult matters. And they will also find even more LIFE, even in the Words of adverse judgments.

 

[selihah]

... Such love I see in this very strange Elohiym to put up with such a stiff-necked people who just could not get with the program.

With great care, Our God, or as we know Him, our Heavenly Father, brought the Old Covenant to a close so that He could institute a New Covenant thru His beloved, part of Himself, the redeemer Christ, Jesus! That shed Blood of the Christ on the Cross was the end of one Covenant that was instituted to cast an eye from the impossibility to cancel out sin to a New Covenant that would change everything!

As I study the Old Covenant, I see a Nation, BUT, As I see what ez is presenting, I see a KINGDOM! Hey, everything directed at me from my Father is a New Covenant in His Christ because of the great holy love that is in the bosom of our Father, He made it possible for me to become a Bride. Hey, I said a BRIDE!! Jesus is my Husband!! Did you grasp that?? My Husband. Oh my friends, I'm so much in love with my Husband Jesus, there's nothing I won't do for that kind of love because Jesus died such a cruel death for my love. His sacrifice for me changed everything.

From my studies of the Old Covenant, I see an impossible set of Commands, Statues, and rules for a human to accomplish all the time. Those were for a Nation to represent their Elohiym to the nations of sinful people. The Holy Elohiym demanded a people of His own to show the known world at that time a Nation that was different and holy.

Im having trouble swallowing that pill Chopper. How can anyone call a certain people stiff necked for not following their Creators comandments then make the claim the commandments God gave them were impossible to keep anyways? It just doesnt make sense that someone would expect another to do the impossible then when they couldn't, punish them for failing to do it. Only a cruel taskmaster would think do that, not a loving God.


My advice to everyone is when you study Torah dont go into it with any preconcieved notions. It is a preconcieved notion based years of your religion teachings that said the Torah was impossible to keep. Now I realize you have only gotten as far as Leviticus. Even so, no where in Torah did God ever say his commandments were impossible or too hard to keep. Quite the contrary, the giver of life said it is easy, a light unto your feet, a path to righteouness and a long life, just to name a few. When you get to Deuteronomy you will get to read one the most touching forms of encouragement I have ever read.

If you shall listen to the voice of YHVH your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the Torah, and if you turn to YHVH your God with all your heart, and with all your soul. For this commandment which I command you this day, is not hidden from you, nor is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us, that we may hear it, and do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it to us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very near to you, in your mouth, and in your heart, that you may do it. See, I have set before you this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command you this day to love YHVH your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that you may live and multiply; and YHVH your God shall bless you in the land which you are entering to possess.

The only new covenant I have found spoken of in Tanach is the one that will write torah in our hearts, nothing more. From my perspective the new covenant you preach to us stiff necked people isn't new, its different.

 

[ezrider]

WB ezrider. I take that as an "all clear" sound.

Psalm 133 is one of my favorites. It's short enough so that you can study it as deep as you want and I never seem to run out of new things to learn. Thank you for incorporating that treasure. I can tell you love it too. Some translators make it sound like the Hebrew said that the dew from Hermon fell on Zion. I don't know how to test that... but like that too. Hebrew is a very different language. A "primitive" and certainly not a "modern" language.

Dew from Hermon...

Deuteronomy 32:1-3
Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak;
and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
My doctrine shall drop as the rain,
my speech shall distil as the dew,
as the small rain upon the tender herb,
and as the showers upon the grass:
Because I will publish the name of the Lord:
ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

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[ezrider]

From my studies of the Old Covenant, I see an impossible set of Commands, Statues, and rules for a human to accomplish all the time.

And not only that, but Jesus informed us under the Law that if we we guilty of but one, then we are guilty of all.

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[ezrider]

Come and let us reason together. Oh how I love that line; Come and let us reason together!

I know I said I would drop the whole he shall teach you by the way of sin thing, but I am sorry, this I just can not do. When I said he shall teach you by the way of sin I received a rather hostile response. How could I possibly say such a thing, and immediate they ran for their scriptures, they ran to their law in order to stand in judgement over the statement that I had made. So lay down your Bible for a moment, and let us reason together, for it is evident that there is an obsession with SIN. Whether it is trying to live holy and blameless of sin before the law, or whether looking for sins to accuse their brethren, there is an obsession that come with sin. Sin is in our flesh, and our flesh has been made sin, so that there is no escaping it. But some brethren that I care deeply for are still slaves to sin, and they carry that heavy burden around with them. But the new covenant in Christ's Blood did not give anyone the ability to live perfectly before the law of Moses, the law of sin and death, so there still is no escaping it as long as we remain present in this body made of clay. But that is to the Glory of God, for we have been given this treasure in earthen vessels. Though we can not escape the presence of sin, through Christ we have been given a clean conscience in the face of sin, and a new heart.

So come and let us reason together. So if the sin nature in your flesh is too strong, that you can not resist trying to identify sin through the law of Moses, then there is another way. But it too is a way of sin. You see, Christ was made SIN for us. He who knew no sin was made sin for us that we might know the righteousness of God in Christ.

So then Christ has been made Sin for me. Wow.

But wait, if Jesus came that he might take unto himself all the sins of the world, so that He might become sin for me, then I have a dilemma: For if Christ is in Me, and All the Sins of the World are in Christ, then that means that all of the Sins of the World are in me. Oh my, what to do! Well, If Christ be in me, and with him all the sins of the world be in me, then there is no more reason that I need to look at a law carved in stone to guide my path, for all the sins of the world are made known unto me in Christ through His Grace, and not with the condemnation that comes from the law of disobedience.

Your beloved, and my beloved, he has take unto himself all the sins of the world. Can you not at least look at them WITH HIM? Or do you still hide from your sin?

Romans 5:12-14
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Psalm 23
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul:
he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil:for thou art with me;
thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies:
thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life:
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, but though are with me. Yes, for though are with me. And this I know, for in this valley there still remains a shadow of death, but it comes without the same fear because though are with me. And because though are with me I know that Death has been swallowed up in Victory. And yet I still remain in this valley of the shadow of death. How can that be? For your light doth burn bright within me. And yet for that I am comforted, for I do know that the shadow of death I walk under is your shadow that you have provided for me. For by the death and resurrection of Christ, He has become death unto me.

So yes, the way that he has choose to instruct you through is sin. Wandering as strangers and pilgrims in the wilderness, led forth and guided by the shadow of death before us and the Light of the Life of Christ inside us, for he has been made sin for us, that we might look upon HIM.

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