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Unbelieving Spouse
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YosefHayim
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Prayer and fasting should first be sought. "this kind only goes out by fasting". Sometimes fasting is the best option.
Now I suppose they should submit to everything that is biblical and reject anythin unbiblical.
Job did not listen to his wife when she said "curse God and die". Likewise a woman shouldn't do anything whih the husband would make her to do against the Lord.
YosefHayim
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The two have also become one, let not man seperate what God has put together. Christ said divorce should only be because of fornication.
Yes i agree, however in most cases God is not the one that put a believer and a non believer together. Perhaps they were both not saved when first married or one thought they could save the other by marrying a non believer. Thus not being in agreement with the Word of God. 2 Corinthians 6:14 says not to be unequally yolked with an unbeliever.
All adultery is not physical, thus possible the warning of becoming one with unbelievers.
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Jer 3:9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
Rev 17:5 Mystery Babylon . . .
The con artists of this world are many, and I have a friend that gives marriage seminars who tells us to never intend on uniting with someone you have evangelized. Why? Many desiring you will hang on to your every word as it were to convince they are buying into Christianity, and they can be very convincing. Always examine the character and length of the walk of the person you will spend your life with to be on a spiritual level equal you are.
Now this may seem strange to some, but I've just had by someone I've known for many years. Now this was not being yoked in marriage, but I supported him in prison, sent repeated spiritual material he asked for, worked with his lieutenant in prison to work for his early release, found and set up a halfway house for his habitation, and donated regularly to his need until he established a job and housing outside on probation. He did attend church regularly until recently when he just became too tired to.
He recently was released from parole, he began missing work, found an Asian lady online; the type he likes, and began dating her. He also was caught on camera robbing the landlord of personal things in his home so as to hock them, has a warrant for his arrest and fled to another state. Guess who he called when he was arrested in the new state wanting financial help? First thing he asked for is spiritual reading material, and that if he ended up in prison he would need $36 per month help; slick huh? His sister said that she was amazed to find all manner of Buddhist reading material in his apartment, apparently attempting to influence the Asian woman of his true intents. Enough I reckon.
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Jer 3:9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
Rev 17:5 Mystery Babylon . . .
The con artists of this world are many, and I have a friend that gives marriage seminars who tells us to never intend on uniting with someone you have evangelized. Why? Many desiring you will hang on to your every word as it were to convince they are buying into Christianity, and they can be very convincing. Always examine the character and length of the walk of the person you will spend your life with to be on a spiritual level equal you are.
Now this may seem strange to some, but I've just had by someone I've known for many years. Now this was not being yoked in marriage, but I supported him in prison, sent repeated spiritual material he asked for, worked with his lieutenant in prison to work for his early release, found and set up a halfway house for his habitation, and donated regularly to his need until he established a job and housing outside on probation. He did attend church regularly until recently when he just became too tired to.
He recently was released from parole, he began missing work, found an Asian lady online; the type he likes, and began dating her. He also was caught on camera robbing the landlord of personal things in his home so as to hock them, has a warrant for his arrest and fled to another state. Guess who he called when he was arrested in the new state wanting financial help? First thing he asked for is spiritual reading material, and that if he ended up in prison he would need $36 per month help; slick huh? His sister said that she was amazed to find all manner of Buddhist reading material in his apartment, apparently attempting to influence the Asian woman of his true intents. Enough I reckon.
About the Son of God
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The actual word is "Pornea" -- a word which means all of fornication, adultery, incest, or any other number of perversions.
Jesus made the 'except' clause in Herod's territory -- eg: Where John the baptist was killed on account of Herodias, eg: Philip's wife -- whom Herod had married while Philip was still alive. For this reason, translators often choose "adultery" as the prime example of the sin, but the word can mean many other things (porno-graphic -- is the drawing of the harlot or fornicator as you call it) -- But if you look up in history, Herodias was 'married' and not 'fornicating' in offical court records. However, in spite of the wedding -- Herodias is also possibly guilty of incest, for the name Herodias was given to her from her father -- Herod the tetrarch. eg: She's a part sister of Herod the king of Jerusalem whom 'married' her. So, 'fornication' is not applicable to her legally -- but other sins were.
Jesus' words mean that divorce is permissible whenever the marriage itself is against the law to begin with ; for the reason is obvious, God will not join people in a union which breaks his laws in the first place. Just because people hold a ceremony, and enter into a marriage -- does not mean that God condones and joins that marriage with his graces and blessings. God can see the heart of both spouses -- whereas man can only see the actions. In reality, Christian marriage goes beyond mere mating and coupling, it goes to becoming a type or shadow of heaven.
For this reason, mixed marriages with unbelievers do not have a guarantee of permanence. It is possible for a Christian bride to sanctify or 'make holy' her unbelieving spouse; but sanctity or holiness, does not mean the person is saved; nor does it make the marriage inseparable. What makes a marriage inseparable, is that is was formed with both spouses saved and with God's grace in their hearts so that he could bless and join them in a state of being saved, an image of heaven.
jasonc
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paul said if one was married to an unbeliever and they depart, god called you to peace. if they wish to stay he also said let them stay.
About the Son of God
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Yes, that's: 1Corinthians 7:15
The fact that a Christian spouse sanctifies an unbeliever is in the very same chapter at nearly the same place: 1Corinthians 7:13-14.
However, sanctification is not salvation. It is merely a preparation. It is always possible that an unbelieving husband desires to divorce his wife in the future -- and although I pray this does not happen; Angel is in a situation where the unbeliever may in fact choose to depart via. divorce.
Ultimately, there is always hope that Matt by seeing how Angel stays with him may have that moment where he sees God through her, and believes in Jesus Christ. He may never admit it, but it is always possible: 1Corinthians 7:16.
I'm not sure what you mean, Angel; I think, at the moment, you are loosing your life: Matthew 10:39.
I simply pray that it is not your husband who makes a martyr of you in any literal sense, such that it comes to shedding of blood.
I can tell you Angel that, even though your love may be real, you are not in God's perfect plan for your life, and directly choosing to disobey a command that God has spoken for a reason. Take it from someone who went her own way, if your not in God's perfect will, Life can have hardships that would not be there if one had obeyed the Lord. Consequences that you can not know now, and could destroy your marriage. It did mine.
See i chose to not go the way that God had planned for me, and thus i turned a deaf ear to God, and as i look back sometimes, i see where my deaf ear caused me to miss many things in the Word of God. Many things that had i grabbed ahold of, would have saved my children and their dad a lot of heartache. It caused my understanding to be hindered.
And now that you know, you will be held accountable to what has been revealed. Do you really want Matt to go through loosing you when he accepts the Lord as Savior? Something to think about because of what you spoke. If you truly love Matt the way you say that you do, then i recommend you commit many hours to prayer about marriage to Matt. You are not his savior. JESUS is. So be careful with your attitude towards something that the Bible warns against.
Many blessings to you and matt! I will be praying for you both!
Please do not think i am...i just care, and do not desire that anyone go through the pain that i have, due to my own choices. Just giving you things to think and pray about.
mswright6488
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Hi Cturtle... I was reading some of your posts and they touched my heart because I have been there. Could you PM me if and when you get a chance? I hope we can talk together about some things on my heart.
mswright6488
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As humans in the flesh we want what WE want at times, even when God says NO. We will try in our own way to justify our behavior before the Lord. As Cturtle said, if we choose not to obey God because we want our own way and to be with who we want to be with. (not whom God chose) we are setting ourselves up for such heartache in the long run. Such pain and sorrow. God should always be FIRST in life and we should never go out on our own without asking Him what He wants and who He would have us be with. God says no because He sees potential harm on our part down the road. All we see is the NOW and live in a fairytale that all will work out just like we want it too. But that is so deceptive. God has better and needs us in His perfect will in order for our lives to go right.
I married at 17 when i KNEW every thing...
I knew before we married i should not have done so... Being a teenager with a good streak of rebel... i did what I wanted...I was raised in a Christian home i knew in my heart better but lust took over..
In a couple weeks we will have been married 51 years.. I would so much prefer a Christian husband... The struggle is not easy but ya know no marriage is perfect... We wives are told Eph_5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
How do we submit to the Lord?
I argue with God at times , get in His way... ignore Him not a good thing ,,, I must once again repent and look to the new day... I do the same with John,,,
I spent a good amount of time searching Scripture for a way out of my marriage... (FOR ME) I could not find it... So 51 years...
Our responsibility to to follow Christ, His Word. John's salvation is between him and God... My responsibility to be the best Godly wife i can be... IMO part of that is honoring the vow i took before God 51 years ago...
1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
Many here may disagree with my thoughts i will not carry on a discussion...
About the Son of God
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I spent a good amount of time searching Scripture for a way out of my marriage... (FOR ME) I could not find it... So 51 years...
