Growth Why Then the Law?

[Sparkey]

To get back to 'Why' the Law of Moses'.

Good idea, Deborah13. Mankind was in a state. Sin ruled hearts and we had departed from the knowledge of God and had turned toward the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.

We didn't know our Father. Then comes the law. It does indeed teach righteousness.

[Psa 1:1-2 KJV] 1 Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

My thought is that the Law was given to those who Trust (I'm thinking Abraham here) and to his descendants so that they would be caused to get to know Him better. The law was also interactive, re-active at times, because God is who we need Him to be so that as the needs of those who Trust were seen, they too were met. The ones who followed after God were taught of His Holiness and told to allow themselves to be set apart unto Him. As they failed to live up to the requirements of Holiness there came more guidelines, more rules. That's the 'added because of transgressions' part.

The problem came because none could fulfill the upright requirements of the law. That too was an opportunity for God. He sent His Son to show us as the start of the ultimate method of teaching us more about who He is. Jesus spoke only that which His Father gave him and that too is part of what we are to learn. Not by strength, not by might, but by My Spirit, saith the Lord.

You see, the original purpose of Sabbath was all about REST.

Jesus becomes our rest. We are relieved of the burden, relieved of the requirements and forgiven our transgression. Our work becomes believing on the one who was sent so that we can indeed become more like Him -AND- that is the purpose of the Promise of God, the Holy Spirit in us.

Then said they unto him, "What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
Jesus answered and said unto them, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

 

[BigSodaExposer]

I have found that there is a great deal to the cast aside Mosasic Law that is important to the Christian Believer. I love your take on it but, certainly, do not limit it to this view.

My earliest lesson realized from my studies is that the 10 Commandments and the 603 Life Examples of Applying them are the Perfect Photograph of Jesus and the Father. The most common objection to my teaching of the Commandments is the knee-jerk, we do not need the Law because Christ abolished it.

The truth, explained by Jesus is trashed with this popular and well accepted lie. Jesus, is our example life to follow and we are called for this purpose, to seek to live as perfect as He did. Can we ever succeed? No! Should we then refuse to try because we know we will fail, I think not.

If folks will return to the Basics of our Faith and stop predestining failure, we can serve our LORD as well as He desires and knows we can.

God bless.

Mathew 5:20 "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Well said, I also liked what you said about the not stop trying. I had to stop reading the bible awhile. It was getting to the point that it really stressed me out. Because I have always strived for perfection. Like a borg or a robot. A person that has always strived to be perfect, should never read a book that tells you how to actually achieve it. But then reality sets in, I'm not Christ, or an Angel. I'm just a man. I can't be perfect. There is far too much in there to think one can just throw away the old testament because of Jesus and his covenant.

So then I came to realize something... There is the act of going to a church, or just reading the bible yourself. Both give you a sort of spiritual pep talk, or pat on the back.

Most pastors seem to know what they are talking about. But I don't think the people going to church are going for the technical bible data. I think they go just for the fellowship and the assembly. The whole theatrical element to it. A house of worship, expected dress, a format. When I read my bible, I am alone in a room. With just a reading light on. This allows me to fully concentrate on what I am reading. To fully try and understand the parables. This can also be stressful too. But I feel like I am actually understanding it by doing it. Getting the real message the author intended.

Slapping a Jesus fish on my car, or wearing a gold crucifix necklace. What is that? That shows publicly you are a proud representative of christ. But can one really do that when they know nothing about sin and iniquity? Didn't christ say to not pray in the synagogues like the hypocrites? Mathew 6:5 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward"

God knows all, sees all. Doesn't matter where you pray.

Even though I can point out tons of flaws in many calling themselves "christians". I also realize that this will not help me personally on the judgement. As a logical man, I believe everything factors into that judgement. Such as a retarded child, or other physical and mental hardships, etc. But what do I know? I only have an opinion. Only the father knows the answer.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Mathew 5:20 "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Well said, I also liked what you said about the not stop trying. I had to stop reading the bible awhile. It was getting to the point that it really stressed me out. Because I have always strived for perfection. Like a borg or a robot. A person that has always strived to be perfect, should never read a book that tells you how to actually achieve it. But then reality sets in, I'm not Christ, or an Angel. I'm just a man. I can't be perfect. There is far too much in there to think one can just throw away the old testament because of Jesus and his covenant.

So then I came to realize something... There is the act of going to a church, or just reading the bible yourself. Both give you a sort of spiritual pep talk, or pat on the back.

Most pastors seem to know what they are talking about. But I don't think the people going to church are going for the technical bible data. I think they go just for the fellowship and the assembly. The whole theatrical element to it. A house of worship, expected dress, a format. When I read my bible, I am alone in a room. With just a reading light on. This allows me to fully concentrate on what I am reading. To fully try and understand the parables. This can also be stressful too. But I feel like I am actually understanding it by doing it. Getting the real message the author intended.

Slapping a Jesus fish on my car, or wearing a gold crucifix necklace. What is that? That shows publicly you are a proud representative of christ. But can one really do that when they know nothing about sin and iniquity? Didn't christ say to not pray in the synagogues like the hypocrites? Mathew 6:5 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward"

God knows all, sees all. Doesn't matter where you pray.

Even though I can point out tons of flaws in many calling themselves "christians". I also realize that this will not help me personally on the judgement. As a logical man, I believe everything factors into that judgement. Such as a retarded child, or other physical and mental hardships, etc. But what do I know? I only have an opinion. Only the father knows the answer.

Amen!

 

[Sailingflutist-SF]

I think because they were Godly men and God impresses on the hearts of those who love Him and wish to service Him.

But I also believe that God gave all men a conscious. Kathi gave a very good post about this.

I am just starting this thread and I may abandon it b4 I get to current posts waaaaaay down the road some days from now and I haven't seen Kathi's post to which you refer but even as a heathen (unsaved) person, God tells us that we have in us (I believe, our inheritance of Adam's consumption of the tree of knowledge) the sense of what sin, right and wrong, is. (Ro 1:19-20) By the way, since homosecuality was already brought up here, it is specifically discussed in this passage (vs. 24-27) TOG.

 

[netchaplain]

God tells us that we have in us (I believe, our inheritance of Adam's consumption of the tree of knowledge) the sense of what sin, right and wrong, is.

Hi SF - Yes, and it's more than a sense, but a nature ("old man"), which is countered by "the new man" (new nature) through the Spirit of God (Gal 5:17).