Growth Why Then the Law?

[netchaplain]

To me, the most significant misunderstanding in contemporary Christendom concerning the Law is that it was never intended for Gentiles, this was to show the world God chooses people to be separate (Hebrews/Jews first) to Him, which He shows now in Christianity; from being separated from the majority of those in this life—all the way to being separate from the indwelling of our “old man.”

Until this is understood I do not think there can be a sufficient comprehension concerning the Law, for it was only to teach man how God was bringing him to union and fellowship through the Lord Jesus (Galatians 3:24,24). If the Law had never ceased, it would leave man in the same place where Israel was and now is--in union with God, but not in fellowship, esp. being without Christ at this time (Heb 10:9). This relates only to the generality of Israel and not all, for God always had those who remained in fellowship with Him (Rom 11:4, 5; Abraham is best example), because they always believed Him.

Christianity is a call, to the Jew first, to go from just being in union with God, to being in fellowship with Him, which now requires unity with His Son through regeneration (John 3:3). The generality of Israel then and now are in union with God--but not fellowship--same as a Christian now, who has not gone much beyond rebirth, to a desire to "draw nigh to God" (Jam 4:8).

-NC

 

[th1b.taylor]

I have found that there is a great deal to the cast aside Mosasic Law that is important to the Christian Believer. I love your take on it but, certainly, do not limit it to this view.

My earliest lesson realized from my studies is that the 10 Commandments and the 603 Life Examples of Applying them are the Perfect Photograph of Jesus and the Father. The most common objection to my teaching of the Commandments is the knee-jerk, we do not need the Law because Christ abolished it.

The truth, explained by Jesus is trashed with this popular and well accepted lie. Jesus, is our example life to follow and we are called for this purpose, to seek to live as perfect as He did. Can we ever succeed? No! Should we then refuse to try because we know we will fail, I think not.

If folks will return to the Basics of our Faith and stop predestining failure, we can serve our LORD as well as He desires and knows we can.

God bless.

 

[sourberry]

To me, the most significant misunderstanding in contemporary Christendom concerning the Law is that it was never intended for Gentiles

Never intended.

You can even skip "contemporary", as I think.

 

[jasoncran]

uhm, if it wasn't then how could it be a sin today about murder? that was before the man moses was used by God. remember the torah in exodus is for the Hebrews and why.

 

[sourberry]

This is something Jews could not understand too, jason.

They thought that Moses law needs to be imposed on the Gentiles.

 

[farouk]

To me, the most significant misunderstanding in contemporary Christendom concerning the Law is that it was never intended for Gentiles, this was to show the world God chooses people to be separate (Hebrews/Jews first) to Him, which He shows now in Christianity; from being separated from the majority of those in this life—all the way to being separate from the indwelling of our “old man.”

Until this is understood I do not think there can be a sufficient comprehension concerning the Law, for it was only to teach man how God was bringing him to union and fellowship through the Lord Jesus (Galatians 3:24,24). If the Law had never ceased, it would leave man in the same place where Israel was and now is--in union with God, but not in fellowship, esp. being without Christ at this time (Heb 10:9). This relates only to the generality of Israel and not all, for God always had those who remained in fellowship with Him (Rom 11:4, 5; Abraham is best example), because they always believed Him.

Christianity is a call, to the Jew first, to go from just being in union with God, to being in fellowship with Him, which now requires unity with His Son through regeneration (John 3:3). The generality of Israel then and now are in union with God--but not fellowship--same as a Christian now, who has not gone much beyond rebirth, to a desire to "draw nigh to God" (Jam 4:8).

-NC

To me, folk that are busy about keeping the law and imposing it on others remind me of a teenaged girl spending hours in front of a mirror, putting on her face. As if she has fallen in love with the mirror. (Nothing wrong with looking nice, mind.)

The law is like a mirror, but it never changed anyone, in and of itself. It takes the Spirit of God to bring them to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work at the Cross.

But of course, teenaged girls love to tell other teenaged girls about spending hours putting their face on in front of the mirror, and then as a result other teenaged girls do likewise.

And, of course, being taken up with the law has the effect of others, too, thinking they should be taken up with the law also. Whereas Paul said: 'Of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, Who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption', so that we may truly glory in the Lord.

Blessings.

 

[sourberry]

But of course, teenaged girls love to tell other teenaged girls about spending hours putting their face on in front of the mirror, and then as a result other teenaged girls do likewise.

If God breathed scripts can be used for correction, then certainly the Moses law too, as I think.

The Moses low is holly, and no God person would dishonor the Moses law, as I think.

It is just the Moses law was not intended for Gentiles. You see?

 

[TOG]

If the law was never for Gentiles, why do Gentile Christians claim that homosexuality is a sin? It's not one of the Ten Commandments. "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman" is part of the "Mosaic law" (which is actually God's law, given through Moses). The fact is that God's law was meant for God's people - both Jew and Gentile.

The TOG​

 

[sourberry]

If the law was never for Gentiles, why do Gentile Christians claim that homosexuality is a sin?

Because Jesus is the door, as I think.

 

[Eugene]

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

 

[Deborah13]

If the law was never for Gentiles, why do Gentile Christians claim that homosexuality is a sin? It's not one of the Ten Commandments. "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman" is part of the "Mosaic law" (which is actually God's law, given through Moses). The fact is that God's law was meant for God's people - both Jew and Gentile.

The TOG​

I knew the certain things including this one was immoral before I was a Christian or knew anything that God said about it.
I wouldn't have called it sin, just wrong, unnatural, against nature. So it's not a surprise that people who are indwell-ed with the Holy Spirit would know. The Lord writes His law on their hearts.

 

[jasoncran]

This is something Jews could not understand too, jason.

They thought that Moses law needs to be imposed on the Gentiles.

no they didn't. the jews in acts aren't all the jews nor were the Pharisees. the seven noahide laws.look them up

 

[jasoncran]

If the law was never for Gentiles, why do Gentile Christians claim that homosexuality is a sin? It's not one of the Ten Commandments. "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman" is part of the "Mosaic law" (which is actually God's law, given through Moses). The fact is that God's law was meant for God's people - both Jew and Gentile.

The TOG​

Sodom and gommorah why did god judge them?

remember what Egypt was doing and when the Hebrews were thrust out and why the torah was said. the torah includes the account of Sodom and gommorah. why is it that we call all deviant sex acts sodomy?

 

[Deborah13]

If the law was never for Gentiles, why do Gentile Christians claim that homosexuality is a sin? It's not one of the Ten Commandments. "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman" is part of the "Mosaic law" (which is actually God's law, given through Moses). The fact is that God's law was meant for God's people - both Jew and Gentile.

The TOG​

Better answer, how did Abraham, Issac, and Jacob know? Not about this law but about other laws?

 

[jasoncran]

Better answer, how did Abraham, Issac, and Jacob know? Not about this law but about other laws?

or how did joseph know that adultery was evil in the sight of the lord? or moses when he took the Egyptians life know that he murdered a man?

 

[Deborah13]

no they didn't. the jews in acts aren't all the jews nor were the Pharisees. the seven noahide laws.look them up

According to traditional Judaism, G-d gave Noah and his family seven commandments to observe when he saved them from the flood. These commandments, referred to as the Noahic or Noahide commandments, are inferred from Genesis Ch. 9, and are as follows: 1) to establish courts of justice; 2) not to commit blasphemy; 3) not to commit idolatry; 4) not to commit incest and adultery; 5) not to commit bloodshed; 6) not to commit robbery; and 7) not to eat flesh cut from a living animal. These commandments are fairly simple and straightforward, and most of them are recognized by most of the world as sound moral principles. Any non-Jew who follows these laws has a place in the world to come. http://www.jewfaq.org/gentiles.htm#Noah

You know I have tried to get 7 laws out of Genesis 9 but these are the only ones I am clearly getting?
1) do not murder
2) don't not eat the flesh from a living animal

Not that the 7 are not good. I just can't sort them out.

 

[sourberry]

no they didn't. the jews in acts aren't all the jews nor were the Pharisees. the seven noahide laws.look them up

I did not refer to all jews, only the ones that built the congregation of the church at that time. I understand it was a Jerusalem church.

I am not suggesting anything here, just share what I think. I think that jews as a congregation arrived at the thinking that Moses law needs to be imposed on the Gentiles. I am not talking of the individual jews, but of the whole congregation.

The acts do not say "all", they just do not mention jews who would think otherwise. I might be mistaking here, so please feel free to correct me.

 

[Deborah13]

or how did joseph know that adultery was evil in the sight of the lord? or moses when he took the Egyptians life know that he murdered a man?

I think because they were Godly men and God impresses on the hearts of those who love Him and wish to service Him.

But I also believe that God gave all men a conscious. Kathi gave a very good post about this.

 

[farouk]

I think because they were Godly men and God impresses on the hearts of those who love Him and wish to service Him.

But I also believe that God gave all men a conscious. Kathi gave a very good post about this.

I often think about the work of God in the conscience as Hebrews 9 says, with the conscience being purged from dead works because the Lord Jesus 'by the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God'.

Blessings.

 

[JLB]

If the law was never for Gentiles, why do Gentile Christians claim that homosexuality is a sin? It's not one of the Ten Commandments. "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman" is part of the "Mosaic law" (which is actually God's law, given through Moses). The fact is that God's law was meant for God's people - both Jew and Gentile.

The TOG​

Was Homosexuality a sin before the law of Moses?


JLB