Windows 10 as Open Source?

[Kenny_ms]

Interesting, I didn't know that, Stove. Not sure if it's true but I recall reading Mr Gates himself used to go through the trash for DOS coding/the work of others long before he got into Windows. I do give him credit for the foresight and that's what's made him so much money.

Wish MS would agree, the wave of the future is also price, then again, I suppose they have always known that but it's hard to compete with "free".

I haven't run Linux in the last couple years, but was very impressed then. I need to take another look at it.

 

[stovebolts]

Liinux isn't without it's downfalls... too many cooks in the kitchen if you know what I mean. For the one off's or small business, it works. But for an enterprise, your still paying for that "flavor" of "free" Linux.... and often it's kinda spendy to support and often, it can't keep pace with technology... so you get stuck supporting legacy applications.

 

[Kenny_ms]

And Windows has it's issues too but, I'm still using them, so I see what you are saying about Linux.

Time will tell and from what I can see, that's all Linux needs...how much more time, is the only question.

 

[stovebolts]

Linux has it's place, don't get me wrong. Even in the Enterprise it's a staple. For instance, in one of our datacenters, we have about 9000 physical servers. Many of them run virtual servers within them, and when it comes to virtual servers, I have no idea how many we have... But I do know they are a pain because one is Red Hat version X and the other is Red Hat version Y and corporate standard is version Z. However, you can't get either X or Y on Z because some core enterprise application was written for version X and if you upgrade to version Z, the app stops working... And multiply that with the other versions of Linux for the enterprise, like Suse and you can start to see the mess it can make, which is additional costs to a corporation and requires specific support to that single server.

Windows on the other hand doesn't really have that issue... Just sayin lol

But no, I don't think Linux will ever take over the corporate Enterprise... Not for a long while anyway.

 

[Kenny_ms]

I see what you are saying and just being a home user, had no idea about the servers for instance.....ouch!

I agree and it's probably be awhile before even home users make a dent in MS's profits by using Linux. But if and when that does happen, we got another long wait while MS drops their price to keep profiting as long as possible.

I just downloaded Mint and will set it up in the next few days or whenever.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I will say that I read a White Paper, I believe , last year where the Duethe Bank swapped every computer, world wide' to Ubuntu without a ,major hitch. And NASA dose not fly their ships on Windows. I just reset th is desktop up with windose 8.1 so I can try 10 and learn the buigs to help people.

 

[stovebolts]

I will say that I read a White Paper, I believe , last year where the Duethe Bank swapped every computer, world wide' to Ubuntu without a ,major hitch. And NASA dose not fly their ships on Windows. I just reset th is desktop up with windose 8.1 so I can try 10 and learn the buigs to help people.

I'll bet you 10 to 1 that the majority of the "Ubuntu" computers are virtual computers (Hosted by VmWare or Cisco) on a thin client. I'd also bet the app most of the employees use web driven interface...

 

[stovebolts]

I see what you are saying and just being a home user, had no idea about the servers for instance.....ouch!

I agree and it's probably be awhile before even home users make a dent in MS's profits by using Linux. But if and when that does happen, we got another long wait while MS drops their price to keep profiting as long as possible.

I just downloaded Mint and will set it up in the next few days or whenever.

I'm not sure, but I would think that most of the money Microsoft makes is from Corporate america... the Enterprise. Where I work, we have our share of Linux servers (Mostly virtual), but with small exception, we're a windows environment. We are starting to see some MS SQL servers (Database), but we run a lot of Oracle servers (Database) on Linux. From there, most transactions occur through web interfaces and can be used for whatever on any platform as long as it has a compliant browser.
Back to the enterprise, Linux isn't even close to supporting a diverse enterprise full of workstations and laptops. Not even close... Well, if you want your end users to be productive anyway lol.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I'll bet you 10 to 1 that the majority of the "Ubuntu" computers are virtual computers (Hosted by VmWare or Cisco) on a thin client. I'd also bet the app most of the employees use web driven interface...

The White Paper said nothing about that and it looks to me like that would be self defeating, windoze would remain the point to attack. And folks like myself are not the only ones that despise win 8.1.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Yep, I was surprised when I first heard Linux was coming preinstalled on some desk/laptops.

I think I figured, it may make the PC cost less right off the shelf, only to have the user probably install Windows later for more cost in the long run because they are dealing with a single license.

Again, I need to take another look before I'm certain but I'd dare say it'll not work for me now. Then there is the learning curve...unless we are certain one OS is way better than the other, why put in the hours to learn it?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

From there, most transactions occur through web interfaces and can be used for whatever on any platform as long as it has a compliant browser.

Web apps are the future. I've been told that Windows forms development is pretty much obsolete now. Mobile computing expedited that change.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I'm not sure, but I would think that most of the money Microsoft makes is from Corporate america... the Enterprise.

I wouldn't argue with this for a minute (not even in the A&T forum, lol).

When you consider the productivity a business gets out of Windows software it's actually a bargain. I know. I've tried to side step MS products at work for years and, frankly, when you consider the time and money and support required to use and maintain business apps MS is actually worth every dollar. It does seem, though, that going into the cloud is going to level the playing field considerably, IMO.

 

[stovebolts]

The White Paper said nothing about that and it looks to me like that would be self defeating, windoze would remain the point to attack. And folks like myself are not the only ones that despise win 8.1.

Most big corporations are still running Windows 7 because Windows 8 was designed more for a tablet than a computer. Windows 10 addresses that issue in a corporate environment and wins back some of it's end users like yourself.
As far as virtualization, the vast majority of servers are indeed virtual servers and when it comes to banks, virtual pc's in "Kiosk" mode are they way they go. Anyway, I really don't know about the company you read the white paper on so it's anybodies guess.

 

[stovebolts]

Yep, I was surprised when I first heard Linux was coming preinstalled on some desk/laptops.

I think I figured, it may make the PC cost less right off the shelf, only to have the user probably install Windows later for more cost in the long run because they are dealing with a single license.

Again, I need to take another look before I'm certain but I'd dare say it'll not work for me now. Then there is the learning curve...unless we are certain one OS is way better than the other, why put in the hours to learn it?

Ehhhh, it's all in what your comfortable with I suppose. I have a buddy who runs Linux at work and uses Virtual Box for his "Corporate Win 7" build when he has to do something that requires Windows.... That's too much work for me lol!

At home, I have Win 7 and 8.1. Actually, I'm using my Tablet PC with 8.1 right now and I love this way better than 7.... but only because it doubles as a tablet.

 

[stovebolts]

I wouldn't argue with this for a minute (not even in the A&T forum, lol).

When you consider the productivity a business gets out of Windows software it's actually a bargain. I know. I've tried to side step MS products at work for years and, frankly, when you consider the time and money and support required to use and maintain business apps MS is actually worth every dollar. It does seem, though, that going into the cloud is going to level the playing field considerably, IMO.

Microsoft is really stepping up to the plate playing in the cloud for the Enterrise. First, you have OneDrive for corporations. Second, you have Sharepoint that integrates with OneNote and also works with your OneDrive. All this ties into Microsoft Office of course, including Outlook that also includes WebMail, so I can get my corporate e-mail from any home or freinds computer that has a browser... Couple that with keeping your clients up to date with SCCM, and you've got almost a complete environment... including Skype.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Most big corporations are still running Windows 7

Perhaps MS realized it, Windows 7 became the new Windows XP in that it's a good product and people will be using it for years and years and years and years and not progress with the company's vision for new and better and ever changing software and the big profits that brings.

 

[stovebolts]

Web apps are the future. I've been told that Windows forms development is pretty much obsolete now. Mobile computing expedited that change.

I'm not much into writing web apps, but it's becoming more popular. Sharepoint is a fine example of an integrated Web App, and SQL Server has so many great API's for web development it's seamless. Also, they all accept AJAX, Java Script and JSON.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Microsoft is really stepping up to the plate playing in the cloud for the Enterrise. First, you have OneDrive for corporations. Second, you have Sharepoint that integrates with OneNote and also works with your OneDrive. All this ties into Microsoft Office of course, including Outlook that also includes WebMail, so I can get my corporate e-mail from any home or freinds computer that has a browser... Couple that with keeping your clients up to date with SCCM, and you've got almost a complete environment... including Skype.

It puts IT guys out work on the local level but it's a no-brainer for business, and MS, along with everyone else knows it.

 

[stovebolts]

Perhaps MS realized it, Windows 7 became the new Windows XP in that it's a good product and people will be using it for years and years and years and years and not progress with the company's vision for new and better and ever changing software and the big profits that brings.

Well, consider this. We didn't go to Win8 because it would have reduced productivity. We support about 100,000 pc's and workstations and we have Microsoft Onsite. They heard us

 

[stovebolts]

It puts IT guys out work on the local level but it's a no-brainer for business, and MS, along with everyone else knows it.

Right now it's creating a surge in work for where I work... The company I work for is bringing on another 2,600 IT employees this year so we can standardize and eliminate legacy applications.