Bible Study Your takeaway from “The Parable of the Tares”

[LovethroughDove]

People are not demons either. Jesus "separated" these parties, one from another.

Jesus separates light from dark at judgment, otherwise it would be called earth.

 

[LovethroughDove]

People who love the dark, do not want the light............They love their sins more.

 

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1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

That still doesn't make people devils LtD, but it does show who is a slave of a devil, internally. That means there are TWO parties present. The blinded person and the captor who prevails over their minds, just as we have in 2 Cor. 4:4 for example.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

There is no such theological position as demonic salvation or demonic conversion.

You did it again.
You conveniently left out 'child'. We're talking about the children of the devil here, not the devils themselves. Just as there are children of God who are not themselves God, there are children of the devil.

 

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Jesus separates light from dark at judgment, otherwise it would be called earth.

I gave this example earlier of a wheat and a tare, two separate and distinct entities, growing in the same place, with Paul. This is a picture of Paul and a messenger of Satan in his flesh, TWO separate parties, both in resistance to each others.

2 Corinthians 12:
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

IN an unbeliever, there is no distinction as such simply do not know they have a dominant party, blinding their own minds from hearing the Gospel, but it's the same picture as with Paul above, except that Paul sees it, they don't.

2 Corinthians 4:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

When people are "saved" they are turned from that blinding power of darkness and influence of Satan, over their own minds:

Acts 26:
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

it does show who is a slave of a devil, internally.

Slaves of the devil don't get the inheritance (Galatians 4:30 NASB). So why do you have those held captive to the devil--his slaves, his children--inheriting the kingdom? Paul says you have to become a son through adoption in order to be in line for the inheritance and no longer a slave. You can not be a child of the devil (a tare) and inherit the kingdom. But you are saying the tare is simply cast off and the person inherits the kingdom.

 

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You did it again.

A child of the devil is a demon, not a person.

People are not "the devils children." The unbelievers are pawns of the devil or demons (the devils children), just as the man who was inhabited by Legion.

That man was not a child of the devil, but was FILLED with a legion of them in his flesh.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

A child of the devil is a demon, not a person.

Are you just going to ignore this post?

Smaller - there are actually people who are children of the devil. In John 8:42-47, Jesus was talking to people, not demons

Of course the children of the devil are people!
They are called tares. They are slaves to sin. We know that by the fruit they do and don't produce. They will be cast into the furnace, not brought into the kingdom. Contrary to what you say that the tares are simply demons parading around inside the believer and who are then cast out of the believer at the harvest.

 

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Slaves of the devil don't get the inheritance (Galatians 4:30 NASB). So why do you have those held captive to the devil--his slaves, his children--inheriting the kingdom? Paul says you have to become a son through adoption in order to be in line for the inheritance and no longer a slave. You can not be a child of the devil (a tare) and inherit the kingdom. But you are saying the tare is simply cast off and the person inherits the kingdom.

I'm observing that when we are "saved" we are put into a dominant postion, OVER the other party, not that we are free of influences from temptations of the tempter, internally.

Here is what happens when we are "saved."

Romans 6:12
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

That "sin" is demonic and originates from the demonic because sin is "of the devil." 1 John 3:8.

 

[LovethroughDove]

I gave this example earlier of a wheat and a tare, two separate and distinct entities, growing in the same place, with Paul. This is a picture of Paul and a messenger of Satan in his flesh, TWO separate parties, both in resistance to each others.

In the parable of wheat and tares, Jesus is talking about the world as the field in which they grow.

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world

I understand about the flesh and messenger of Satan, but in this parable he's talking about people's hearts being receptive to the gospel.

 

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Of course the children of the devil are people!

So, you are claiming that you are a converted devil? lol

 

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In the parable of wheat and tares, Jesus is talking about the world as the field in which they grow.

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world

I understand about the flesh and messenger of Satan, but in this parable he's talking about people's hearts being receptive to the gospel.

The observation being made is that there is a "tare" and a "wheat" growing, as separate entities, in the same ground, just as it was with Paul in 2 Cor. 12:7, and just as Jesus shows us here:

Matthew 13:29
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Matthew 13:29
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

The angels want to get believers out of here now, but until God's purpose if fulfilled and he gets the amount of believers he wants........he lets us grow with tares (those who don't want the light, ever)

 

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The angels want to get believers out of here now, but until God's purpose if fulfilled and he gets the amount of believers he wants........he lets us grow with tares (those who don't want the light, ever)

Tares are not "converted" to wheat either. That's not what happens.

When we are "saved" there is His Imperishable Seed planted in our ground (the wheat), which is then, the dominant seed in the ground.

There is no "imperishable seed" planted in the ground of the unbeliever. There is a blinded to the Gospel person, who has not The Seed of Christ planted therein. That doesn't mean they are the tare, but are dominated by the tare in their ground, as blinded captives to that other power, the power of Satan over their minds. They are "turned" from that power by the Planting of Christ, His Seed, in them.

 

[LovethroughDove]

The parable's focus is the ground in which the seed can either produce wheat or not. Is the heart receptive? or not.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Mark 4 shows the progression of the first party, through the last position using the term "and these" meaning the person(s) from the immediately prior statement:

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

Here - like you posted. The heart and it's focus.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

So, you are claiming that you are a converted devil? lol

I have never been a demon. But I once was a child of the devil, a planting of his that bore the fruit of death. But now I am a child of God, a planting of his that bears fruit of life.

It's interesting that you do not say I'm calling myself God for calling myself a child of God. But if I call myself or somebody else a child of the devil you can only hear that as I'm saying we are devils and you try to correct me. Weird.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Tares are not "converted" to wheat either. That's not what happens.

When we are "saved" there is His Imperishable Seed planted in our ground (the wheat), which is then, the dominant seed in the ground.

There is no "imperishable seed" planted in the ground of the unbeliever. There is a blinded to the Gospel person, who has not The Seed of Christ planted therein. That doesn't mean they are the tare, but are dominated by the tare in their ground, as blinded captives to that other power, the power of Satan over their minds. They are "turned" from that power by the Planting of Christ, His Seed, in them.

Nonsense.
The parable plainly calls the tares 'the sons of the evil one':

"the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one" (Matthew 13:38 NASB)

It's ludicrous to make 'the sons of the evil one' anything but actual people. Just as the sons of the kingdom are actual people.

 

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I have never been a demon. But I once was a child of the devil,

A child of the devil is a devil. Devils are not converted nor is there any account in the entirety of scripture where we are shown "devil conversion." It is non-existent. Devils and devils children are NOT turned into Gods Children.

Gods children arise from the planting of the Seed of Christ in the ground. That ground still contains tares, which are the children of the devil aka demons.

Matthew 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

These tares are NOT converted into wheat, but destroyed in the end.

Matthew 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

"...just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness..." (Matthew 13:40-41 NASB)

He's plainly saying people will be gathered out of the kingdom and thrown in the furnace. The children of the evil one are people, not demons inside of God's people making them do bad things.