Is there anywhere in the Bible that Jesus Freely gave material needs to the poor?

[4afaithfulone]

Scripture please!

 

[Obadiah]

Did you have a theological question or statement for discussion concerning this?

 

[4afaithfulone]

Did you have a theological question or statement for discussion concerning this?

I am awaiting to see if someone can show me scripture where Jesus ever "Freely" gave material needs such as clothing, food, money to the poor.
Thank you for asking

 

[Deborah13]

Ok, I'll bite......He gave Peter the money to pay the taxes. That money didn't get in that fish all on it's own.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Ok, I'll bite......He gave Peter the money to pay the taxes. That money didn't get in that fish all on it's own.

That is so true! But... did Peter really do nothing for it?

 

[Obadiah]

I am awaiting to see if someone can show me scripture where Jesus ever "Freely" gave material needs such as clothing, food, money to the poor.
Thank you for asking

Ok, that's fine. But this is a forum for the debate and discussion of theology and apologetics. A request for scripture on a particular topic really doesn't fit here. I think this is a better fit and you will get a better response in the Focus on Scripture forum, so I'm moving it over there. I'll leave a notice here in A&T that will let people know where it has been moved to.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Ok, that's fine. But this is a forum for the debate and discussion of theology and apologetics. A request for scripture on a particular topic really doesn't fit here. I think this is a better fit and you will get a better response in the Focus on Scripture forum, so I'm moving it over there. I'll leave a notice here in A&T that will let people know where it has been moved to.

Actually it will be a debate once someone shows me where in the Bible Jesus ever Freely gave out material needs because there are none, yet they will argue that there is. But do as you will.

 

[Deborah13]

Actually it will be a debate once someone shows me where in the Bible Jesus ever Freely gave out material needs because there are none, yet they will argue that there is. But do as you will.

Jesus provided fish and bread for the multitudes who were hungry. They hadn't done anything to receive this blessing except be there receiving spiritual manna from Him.

 

[TOG]

What about the feeding of the 4000 or 5000?

The TOG​

 

[4afaithfulone]

Jesus provided fish and bread for the multitudes who were hungry. They hadn't done anything to receive this blessing except be there receiving spiritual manna from Him.

Thank you Deborah13, this is what I was looking for and I appreciate you boldness to step out.
If we look at the feeding of the thousands we will see that Jesus did not freely feed them.
We must always use a fine toothed comb when reading the scriptures because there is not even one useless word. That is why most give up on the Bible because they just read the Words as a book and do not seek the hidden things that God has planted in there for those us to feed upon to grow.
If you read the story of the feedings, you will see that first they came to Christ, second they obeyed him and sat down at his feet, then ONLY after they received the spiritual meal that he served, he took up an offering of the little/all that they had, then he lifted them up to the Father as a thanksgiving offer for the spiritual meal they had just ate. Then the Father multiplied so that all who remained could be filled.

So in summary, we see them first come to Christ, humble themselves in obedience, receive the Word, take up an offering and give thanks to God. Jesus never went to the poor who did not receive him to give out material needs. First we must receive the spiritual in order for our material needs to be met.

 

[Deborah13]

Who commanded these people to come and listen, who were they obeying by being there?

 

[Willie T]

Thank you Deborah13, this is what I was looking for and I appreciate you boldness to step out.
If we look at the feeding of the thousands we will see that Jesus did not freely feed them.
We must always use a fine toothed comb when reading the scriptures because there is not even one useless word. That is why most give up on the Bible because they just read the Words as a book and do not seek the hidden things that God has planted in there for those us to feed upon to grow.
If you read the story of the feedings, you will see that first they came to Christ, second they obeyed him and sat down at his feet, then ONLY after they received the spiritual meal that he served, he took up an offering of the little/all that they had, then he lifted them up to the Father as a thanksgiving offer for the spiritual meal they had just ate. Then the Father multiplied so that all who remained could be filled.

So in summary, we see them first come to Christ, humble themselves in obedience, receive the Word, take up an offering and give thanks to God. Jesus never went to the poor who did not receive him to give out material needs. First we must receive the spiritual in order for our material needs to be met.

You do manage a good stretch.....

Do you remember where it was that the disciples assumed Judas was going? Why would they assume that if it was not a customary thing for Jesus' group to give to the poor?

 

[Deborah13]

Jesus gave everything, even His life for those who had not and maybe never would come to him. What is a temporary belly filling compared to that?
I really don't understand where you are trying to go with this.

 

[Willie T]

I am awaiting to see if someone can show me scripture where Jesus ever "Freely" gave material needs such as clothing, food, money to the poor.
Thank you for asking

Is someone taking your money, Gal?

 

[Sinthesis]

Thank you Deborah13, this is what I was looking for and I appreciate you boldness to step out.
If we look at the feeding of the thousands we will see that Jesus did not freely feed them.
We must always use a fine toothed comb when reading the scriptures because there is not even one useless word. That is why most give up on the Bible because they just read the Words as a book and do not seek the hidden things that God has planted in there for those us to feed upon to grow.
If you read the story of the feedings, you will see that first they came to Christ, second they obeyed him and sat down at his feet, then ONLY after they received the spiritual meal that he served, he took up an offering of the little/all that they had, then he lifted them up to the Father as a thanksgiving offer for the spiritual meal they had just ate. Then the Father multiplied so that all who remained could be filled.

So in summary, we see them first come to Christ, humble themselves in obedience, receive the Word, take up an offering and give thanks to God. Jesus never went to the poor who did not receive him to give out material needs. First we must receive the spiritual in order for our material needs to be met.

This is a works based theology rather than one of Grace. God provides for man's material needs regardless our spiritual condition. It is a vanity among those who don't know God which obsesses them over how their works might merit material wealth.

 

[Gary]

Actually it will be a debate once someone shows me where in the Bible Jesus ever Freely gave out material needs because there are none, yet they will argue that there is. But do as you will.

You're making the assumption that everything Jesus did was recorded..........it was not.


John 21
25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did,which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

Gary this is the FOS forum no goofy font
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[4afaithfulone]

You do manage a good stretch.....

Do you remember where it was that the disciples assumed Judas was going? Why would they assume that if it was not a customary thing for Jesus' group to give to the poor?

They had a treasury, but when did you see in scripture that they gave funds to the poor Freely ? Never did you see them give anything physical such as food, clothing, etc.... to anyone who did not believe and follow him first? They healed, but no provisions. God does not want man to look to another man for their protection or material needs in life, He wants us to get their eyes UP on Jesus so that God can bless and be their source. This does not mean you are not to help someone in your path, but not set yourself up as their god.
John 13:28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
KJV

 

[Gary]

I am awaiting to see if someone can show me scripture where Jesus ever "Freely" gave material needs such as clothing, food, money to the poor.
Thank you for asking

Matthew 15
32 Now Jesus called His disciples to Himself and said, “I have compassion on the multitude, because they have now continued with Me three days and have nothing to eat. And I do not want to send them away hungry, lest they faint on the way.”

 

[4afaithfulone]

Jesus gave everything, even His life for those who had not and maybe never would come to him. What is a temporary belly filling compared to that?
I really don't understand where you are trying to go with this.

God always gives to us first,But we must receive from Him the spiritual things before we are supplied the natural. You can give the poor a sandwhich, but in a few hours he will hunger and thirst again, then what?
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
KJV
See, you must come to Christ first, then your needs shall be met!

 

[4afaithfulone]

You're making the assumption that everything Jesus did was recorded..........it was not.


John 21
25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

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Certainly there should be something written to show Jesus going out an handing out blankets, clothes, food with out cost?
Do you know why the books could not contain all that Jesus has ever done? It is because as the Word of God, being His Right Hand that He created all things by for all eternity from the beginning, how could they?