1 Peter 1:23 is about eternal security

[WIP]

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Curious...if one is saved but does not do the will of the Father, how does he/she enter into the kingdom of heaven?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Give me the quote's Jethro. I will try to explain it to you in way you can understand.

You said this:

"Fruit inspectors are looking for the outward change and not the inward change.

2 Cor 4:18~~New American Standard Bible
while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal."
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The temporal thing which we do not look at is not our sin, it's the trials and temptations and sufferings that tempt us to sin but which we resist in a dying to self in Christ and through Christ.

 

[Mustard Socks]

Curious...if one is saved but does not do the will of the Father, how does he/she enter into the kingdom of heaven?

Happy to help.
Those who are not saved aren't able to know the will of the Father. That's why Jesus identified the tares when he said , not everyone who says to him , Lord, Lord, is known by him. Because God the Father knew those who are His before He created the world. As scripture tells us.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

That is a gross misrepresentation of what I said. I don't even know what you are referring to, But the only people around here that are saying someone is "dead in Christ" is the loss of salvation crowd.

We have died with Christ( in His death) and LIVE with Him In HIS life.






Another gross misrepresentation of what I have said. His Grace has defeated our sin.PERIOD. We don't have a chance at defeating our sin.

We walk in the Spirit and are to be filled with the Spirit. Anyone who thinks that defeating sin is the issue, is not walking in the Spirit, nor are they filled with the Spirit. Sin is not the issue when we are filled with the Spirit.

If one thinks that their life is fighting sin and overcoming sin.............they are still living in sin, even if they appear to be making strides over it.

Walk in the Spirit, be filled with the Spirit and sin is not the issue. Even "fighting" sin.

Our life is not a death to sin life. Our life is a new creation in Christ that is led by the filling of the Spirit.......it has NOTHING to do with sin.

Then what was the comment about looking at the fruit on the outside instead of what's inside all about?

We can tell what's on the inside by what's on the outside.

 

[ezra]

(Almost forgot to address this.)

Don't be afraid to cut off the person in the church who is causing us, God's kids who believe in him, to stumble (putting them in danger of the fiery hell--Matthew 18:6-9):

"1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife. 2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.

3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? 7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES." (1 Corinthians 5:1-12 NASB bold mine)

we judge the sin not the person that is what removing the person from the membership is doing.. we don't throw/escort them out the door. we remove the membership if any make sure they have no leadership rolls . we must make sure all our I are dotted and T crossed . granted on full removal from the church building if they was causing major disruptions in the services. . they can attend the services provided they they behave themselves . in many cases you remove a membership they will leave

 

[ezra]

Curious...if one is saved but does not do the will of the Father, how does he/she enter into the kingdom of heaven?

better yet are they truly saved?

 

[Mustard Socks]

better yet are they truly saved?

I recently had a post here removed because calling heresy unbiblical without supportive scripture is against the rules apparently.While posting heresy that has never had a scripture supporting it is tolerated over and over again.

Therefore, to answer your question and to further express what is unbiblical about that teaching which denies the primacy of God and eternal salvation,
Matthew 15:8.
And to synopsize the fact with an article far older than this discussion.
BIBLE STUDIES

THE UNSAVED LOOK LIKE THEY ARE SAVED

 

[WIP]

better yet are they truly saved?

How does one know? I might believe I am but how can I know for sure? As Paul indicated in Romans 7:15-25, that which I do not want to do I do and that which I do want to do I fail to do. I want to do the will of the Father but alas I am incapable and therefore I most assuredly need and trust in the Savior, the Christ Jesus.

 

[Mustard Socks]

better yet are they truly saved?

We can know because of what 1John states. 1 John 1:1-7

 

[gr8grace3]

You said this:

"Fruit inspectors are looking for the outward change and not the inward change.

2 Cor 4:18~~New American Standard Bible
while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal."
​

The temporal thing which we do not look at is not our sin, it's the trials and temptations and sufferings that tempt us to sin but which we resist in a dying to self in Christ and through Christ.

So How do you get that I said, "we are dead in Christ???"

Can you give us an example of what you look for that is proof of fruit from a believer?

 

[gr8grace3]

Then what was the comment about looking at the fruit on the outside instead of what's inside all about?

We can tell what's on the inside by what's on the outside.

What is some outside fruit you look for?

 

[ezra]

How does one know? I might believe I am but how can I know for sure? As Paul indicated in Romans 7:15-25, that which I do not want to do I do and that which I do want to do I fail to do. I want to do the will of the Father but alas I am incapable and therefore I most assuredly need and trust in the Savior, the Christ Jesus.

only 2 people know you and GOD we can have a know so salvation

 

[ezra]

We can know because of what 1John states. 1 John 1:1-7

yesssss

 

[Mustard Socks]

yesssss

You might enjoy this read. I've had this in my data storage file for awhile now. I hope it blesses your day.



“We Can KNOW That We Are Saved”


1 John

 

[FreeGrace]

God revokes his grace when it is treated with contemptuous, willful unbelief and the person refuses all invitations to come back to that grace. That's how someone argues that.

The argument is specious. Meaning: superficially plausible, but actually wrong: "a specious argument".

It's wrong because Scripture never teaches that God revokes His grace. Simply untrue.

 

[Mustard Socks]

The argument is specious. Meaning: superficially plausible, but actually wrong: "a specious argument".

It's wrong because Scripture never teaches that God revokes His grace. Simply untrue.

Agreed. If there were such a scripture, Jesus died for nothing to do with John 3:16.
And there would be absolute God's word proof too. Which there isn't. God knew us before he created the world. If the grace revocation heresy were actually truth, it would mean what amounts to a SNL skit script: "Called you to grace." *BUZZZZZZZ* "Just kidding! Give it back! Bad human, bad, bad!"

 

[FreeGrace]

You would do well to educate yourself about the present hyper-grace movement sweeping the Protestant church. It says you can shrink back into unbelief and into an outright denial of Christ and you are still saved.

Where does the Bible state what you're claim is? No where is where. Or it would have been presented by now.

I gather from your posts that if you actually knew the argument you'd resist it. You seem to be of the traditional OSAS strain. At least traditional OSAS has continued believing as the signature of the genuine believer. That argument has it's own problems, but let's not go there just yet.

Speaking of problems!! The argument for loss of salvation has insurmountable problems.

 

[FreeGrace]

YOU say you can become an unbeliever all over again and you still have God's grace in justification/salvation.

No, I've never said that. Quit making up stuff that I've never said. I HAVE said that eternal life is a gift of God, and that the gifts of God are irrevocable. If that bothers some people, it's only because they don't like the scope of God's grace.

If that isn't grace to continue in sin, what is, freegrace, what is?

Those who simply refuse to listen to ALL that's said about eternal security keep themselves in ignorance. The Bible contains many warnings of God's severe discipline for those believers who become disobedient and rebellious. Why is that fact always left out of your argument against eternal security? That's just not honest.

He did not die for the unrepentant Christ denier.

He died for everyone. Heb 2:9 and 2 Cor 5:14,15 says so.

 

[Mustard Socks]

I gather from your posts that if you actually knew the argument you'd resist it. You seem to be of the traditional OSAS strain. At least traditional OSAS has continued believing as the signature of the genuine believer. That argument has it's own problems, but let's not go there just yet.

I've heard that posting scripture to support a claim is required.

And yet, there hasn't been a single scripture posted that shows God states He revokes His grace. HE REVOKES His grace. Not one.

 

[FreeGrace]

Those who claim that the "gifts" are irrevocable, have lost all credibility, as no scripture says this.

That is beyond absurd. Rom 11:29 is about the gifts of God. Not some un-named particular gifts only to Israel, but all of His gifts.

What the scripture does say, is the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable; without repentance - without regret.

And, apparently, that is being totally misunderstood in your position. To be without regret means He doesn't change His mind about the gifts that He gives. IOW, He doesn't revoke them.

If God revokes His gifts, then it shows that they aren't "without repentance".

For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Romans 11:29

Yep.

If a person is "removed" or "taken away" from Christ, then they no longer have eternal life, they once had.

A bogus statement that has not been shown from Scripture.

2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
John 15:2 JLB

Where does this verse speak of being "taken away" or "removed" from Christ? Jesus was using a metaphor. You're just spiritualizing it.