Christian Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
-
Guest, Join Papa Zoom today for some uplifting biblical encouragement! --> Daily Verses
1 Peter 1:23 is about eternal security
- Thread starter FreeGrace
- Start date
Mustard Socks
Member
Not at all relevant to the request to provide scripture that proves God revokes the gift of grace.
Anti-OSAS when proven wrong will cite context to defend their position. What is missing in your post there is exactly that. Context.
Because Matthew 18 isn't talking about God revoking his gift of grace. We know this because you omitted chapter 18 starting with verse 1 so that that would be clear.
RELATIONSHIPS IN THE KINGDOM (18:1-35)
Here Jesus begins the fourth discourse in Matthew, addressing relationships in the church, the community of the kingdom (18:1-35). Relations with the state (17:24-27), with one's spouse (19:1-9) and with children (19:13-16) surround this section. Yet Jesus' teaching on relationships here especially addresses relationships among disciples. As God's community, they are to watch out for one another, expressing patience toward the spiritually young as well as seeking to restore the straying, gently disciplining the erring and forgiving the repentant.
No, that's how someone insists what has not been proven with scripture verbatim argues that.
Chapter and verse verbatim that proves your point.
Mustard Socks
Member
What is being argued in large part here is what is known as conditional security.
Meaning, a person can claim to accept Jesus as their Savior and their Salvation is secure only for as long as they are consistently obedient to Christ.
That's a works based ideology.
Jethro Bodine
Member
I said, "YOU say you can become an unbeliever all over again and you still have God's grace in justification/salvation."
If I was referring to your take on rewards I would have said so. But as it is, I am referring to what you say about God's grace in justification/salvation. You've been saying it over and over again.
If your doctrine does not teach that grace is a license to stay in unbelief and it's resulting sin regarding justification/salvation, then what does, freegrace? There's nothing worse than that that would constitute making grace a license.
If grace is a license for anything it's a license to escape sin and unbelief (Titus 2:11-12 NASB), not live in it comfortably regarding justification/salvation as hyper-grace OSAS teaches.
Jethro Bodine
Member
You were doing good until you got to the "consistently obedient to Christ" part.
A person can claim to have Jesus as their Savior and their salvation is secure only while they are trusting in Christ for the justification. That is the correct non-OSAS argument.
As soon as you claim we are saying justification is based on continuing to perform righteous work then you have departed from the argument being presented. Continuing faith in the ministerial work of Christ on our behalf in the Temple in heaven cleanses the sinning saint so as to maintain his justified position before the Father (Hebrews 7:25 NASB). If a person stops believing in Christ's work on his behalf in heaven he no longer has Christ's work operating on his behalf and he loses the justification that ongoing work in heaven secures for him.
So you see, this has nothing to do with maintaining righteous deeds in an effort to secure for us the efficacy of Christ's ministry in heaven. It has everything to do with maintaining the faith that secures for us the efficacy of Christ's ministry always before the Father in heaven.
Mustard Socks
Member
Rewording conditional security as you have argued for nearly all these thread pages doesn't change the archive. The first belief that is identified in your remarks is the belief that salvation is not eternally secure. And that is where you lose the argument because God proved differently. And in a verse, John 3:16 shuts that conditional security argument out.
Linked excerpt:
A more formal name for the belief that a Christian can lose his salvation is conditional security. That may sound academic and austere, but it reveals the fundamental issues at stake. The doctrine of conditional security teaches that as a Christian, your salvation is secure, but only if you are consistently obedient to Jesus Christ.
Jethro Bodine
Member
"22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control" (Galatians 5: NASB)
Love is the hub around which all the other fruit are connected (Colossians 3:14 NASB). Ultimately, love (the 'agape' kind of love, particularly) is the sign of the circumcision, the putting off of the deeds of the flesh from the body through Christ that only the people of God have. Agape is the peculiar characteristic love of the one who has believed in and received God's love in forgiveness through Christ.
The person who has this circumcision (that is, who are characterized as having cut away the deeds of the flesh) loves as God loves, not as the world loves. That's how a person can know they are saved. It's Jesus in them by the Holy Spirit manifesting in all kinds of deeds motivated and empowered by that Spirit. That's how one knows they are justified/saved through trust in Christ's forgiveness.
John says that the person who is not characterized by love for God/ the body is not born again (1 John 3:14 NASB). But hyper-grace OSAS insists that is not true, that even if you go back to your old life as a result of no longer believing in Christ you are still saved, even though your life completely denies the presence of the Holy Spirit in your life.
Last edited:
Jethro Bodine
Member
So, basically, you're just going to ignore what I said and go with what the person said in the quote, right? How can they say I'm saying justification is conditional on works when I'm plainly saying it's conditional on having faith in Christ?????
But I know that's how indoctrinations work. Even your opponents arguments get filtered through what the indoctrinated person is taught to hear.
Mustard Socks
Member
In my view meeting head on the adverse teachings in the bible is vital even on the Internet. Because for some people who may be intimidated into looking for answers to that draw to God inside themselves, the Internet in the privacy of their own home, dorm, or public library desk, may be the only outlet that permits their search in safety and peace.
You can proselytize Christ and God's truth with a bumper sticker. The best example however, is in your own behavior.
Continuing from the excerpt above and for the purpose of and sake of the souls of those who may be seeking Jesus on the Net and are hungry for the truth of God in Christ:
".....
What a tremendous and tragic burden! Having been justified and set free by faith, are you now held bondage to maintain your salvation by works? That’s just another form of works righteousness, which the Bible categorically condemns (see Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:27; 4:4-5).
Beyond the impossible burden of maintaining personal salvation, the doctrine of conditional security also strikes a blow against the power of God. To say you can lose your salvation—which the Bible says God accomplished through the death of Jesus Christ—is to make God into an impotent deity with no actual power to save anyone. The full exercise of His divine power is at the mercy of a weak, finite, and sinful creature who may or may not cooperate with Him.
So, can we believe God or not? When John 3:16 says God loved the world and gave His Son to provide eternal life for all who believe, can we take Him at His word?
Yes, absolutely. John 3:16 stands, immoveable and unshaken. But to say you can lose the salvation He grants is to say you can nullify God’s promise by your faults, sins, and spiritual missteps. In effect, you’ve subverted the promise and power of God.
Rest assured—none of us can truly subvert the will, power, and promise of God."
Source:Is Eternal Life Always Eternal?
God knows in today's world far too many things are unsure. Transitional, impermanent. Please dear Lord in Heaven, do not let any seeker of the truth of God in our Savior Christ Jesus, accept, believe, that God revokes his gift of grace. Never. Ever!
God is not a quitter. And please dear one who may be seeking Christ and happen to find this forum or these threads, read the bible. If you don't own one you can borrow one from the public library in your area. Or, you can go to a local church and ask them if they have one you may borrow. They may even gift it to you. And here in my town there are people who's private cars have stickers on that read: FREE BIBLE! ASK ME!
Now certainly dear seeker, you may backslide when you become a Christian. The ways of the world may seem inviting and you may slip and follow after them. However, your Father , my Father, in Heaven knew you and every hair on your head before He created this world. And how could He not? He created all things in the beginning. And he knew you by name before he even started in that glorious venture.
It is like the analogy of a parent. Their child grows up and decides to strike out on their own will and do what they want. Their parents teachings are with them but they want to make their own way and see how it goes. They fall, they fail, they realize they should have listened to the wisdom their Father and mother instilled.
They regret their decision to be obstinate. They apologize, they repent. Read the parable of the prodigal son.
If you backslide, you are not ejected from God's heart and Jesus' hand. Omniscience, which is eternal knowledge, a characteristic of God who the scriptures say foreknows all things, foreknew that too. Repent! (feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.) That doesn't mean you're saved again. Because you were always saved. It means exactly what it says, remorse. And God who knew you, knows you, understands. You're everything He made you to be.
No thing, no one, can ever remove you from God's gift that He gave you. Don't ever let anyone convince you that your will can out think omniscience . God's love letter, the bible, tells you He knew you before he created the world you live in. He knew you by name. He knows the hairs on your head. He knows when a sparrow falls.
Do not let anyone tell you that he also said, when He calls you into His grace that He wasted his breath because He also knew you'd reject it later being who he foreknew you to be.
That's nonsense on its face. It rejects first that God is eternally knowledgeable in all things and in all ways.
Read The Bible!
There's a sticker too. Because you'd likely be amazed dear seeker how many people argue against what is written because they have not.
It is amazing to me that there is anywhere in the world a movement intent on teaching God's grace is usurped by people's will. That everything Jesus did and that was done on the cross can be undone by lesser human will. Will that was dead in its sin prior to finding Christ. And that can then decide to die again and become what they once were and therein undo everything God said, Jesus died for, and the scriptures detail.
Dear Seeker,
Don't buy the lie.
God loves you!
Those who try to convince you you can hate yourself and leave God's grace, which isn't something you work for, but that God bestows, don't . Pray for them. But for the sake of your eternal soul and peace of mind, don't ever believe them. And whatever you do, don't let them teach the anti-truth doctrine of death without speaking up and speaking for TRUTH! Of God in Christ.
Salvation is eternal! God said that. When God, that is eternal says that, man's mortal fallible will that claims the contrary and dies in the flesh proves in that death and decay that their will is not!
Trust your maker people! If you believe in God believe God.
You can't fake salvation! At the heart of it that is the crux of "conditional security". John 3:16 does not and never has said, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. That whosoever believes in him and works at keeping that faith shall be bestowed the grace of eternal life once they're dead and found approved of their work in keeping that faith.
All these 50 pages have done is circle back to a heretical argument against God's word. What does it behoove the saint to argue what God's immutable word declared? And that His only begotten Son died to seal with his blood?
You can proselytize Christ and God's truth with a bumper sticker. The best example however, is in your own behavior.
Continuing from the excerpt above and for the purpose of and sake of the souls of those who may be seeking Jesus on the Net and are hungry for the truth of God in Christ:
".....
What a tremendous and tragic burden! Having been justified and set free by faith, are you now held bondage to maintain your salvation by works? That’s just another form of works righteousness, which the Bible categorically condemns (see Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:27; 4:4-5).
Beyond the impossible burden of maintaining personal salvation, the doctrine of conditional security also strikes a blow against the power of God. To say you can lose your salvation—which the Bible says God accomplished through the death of Jesus Christ—is to make God into an impotent deity with no actual power to save anyone. The full exercise of His divine power is at the mercy of a weak, finite, and sinful creature who may or may not cooperate with Him.
So, can we believe God or not? When John 3:16 says God loved the world and gave His Son to provide eternal life for all who believe, can we take Him at His word?
Yes, absolutely. John 3:16 stands, immoveable and unshaken. But to say you can lose the salvation He grants is to say you can nullify God’s promise by your faults, sins, and spiritual missteps. In effect, you’ve subverted the promise and power of God.
Rest assured—none of us can truly subvert the will, power, and promise of God."
Source:Is Eternal Life Always Eternal?
God knows in today's world far too many things are unsure. Transitional, impermanent. Please dear Lord in Heaven, do not let any seeker of the truth of God in our Savior Christ Jesus, accept, believe, that God revokes his gift of grace. Never. Ever!
God is not a quitter. And please dear one who may be seeking Christ and happen to find this forum or these threads, read the bible. If you don't own one you can borrow one from the public library in your area. Or, you can go to a local church and ask them if they have one you may borrow. They may even gift it to you. And here in my town there are people who's private cars have stickers on that read: FREE BIBLE! ASK ME!
Now certainly dear seeker, you may backslide when you become a Christian. The ways of the world may seem inviting and you may slip and follow after them. However, your Father , my Father, in Heaven knew you and every hair on your head before He created this world. And how could He not? He created all things in the beginning. And he knew you by name before he even started in that glorious venture.
It is like the analogy of a parent. Their child grows up and decides to strike out on their own will and do what they want. Their parents teachings are with them but they want to make their own way and see how it goes. They fall, they fail, they realize they should have listened to the wisdom their Father and mother instilled.
They regret their decision to be obstinate. They apologize, they repent. Read the parable of the prodigal son.
If you backslide, you are not ejected from God's heart and Jesus' hand. Omniscience, which is eternal knowledge, a characteristic of God who the scriptures say foreknows all things, foreknew that too. Repent! (feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.) That doesn't mean you're saved again. Because you were always saved. It means exactly what it says, remorse. And God who knew you, knows you, understands. You're everything He made you to be.
No thing, no one, can ever remove you from God's gift that He gave you. Don't ever let anyone convince you that your will can out think omniscience . God's love letter, the bible, tells you He knew you before he created the world you live in. He knew you by name. He knows the hairs on your head. He knows when a sparrow falls.
Do not let anyone tell you that he also said, when He calls you into His grace that He wasted his breath because He also knew you'd reject it later being who he foreknew you to be.
That's nonsense on its face. It rejects first that God is eternally knowledgeable in all things and in all ways.
Read The Bible!
There's a sticker too. Because you'd likely be amazed dear seeker how many people argue against what is written because they have not.
It is amazing to me that there is anywhere in the world a movement intent on teaching God's grace is usurped by people's will. That everything Jesus did and that was done on the cross can be undone by lesser human will. Will that was dead in its sin prior to finding Christ. And that can then decide to die again and become what they once were and therein undo everything God said, Jesus died for, and the scriptures detail.
Dear Seeker,
Don't buy the lie.
God loves you!
Those who try to convince you you can hate yourself and leave God's grace, which isn't something you work for, but that God bestows, don't . Pray for them. But for the sake of your eternal soul and peace of mind, don't ever believe them. And whatever you do, don't let them teach the anti-truth doctrine of death without speaking up and speaking for TRUTH! Of God in Christ.
Salvation is eternal! God said that. When God, that is eternal says that, man's mortal fallible will that claims the contrary and dies in the flesh proves in that death and decay that their will is not!
Trust your maker people! If you believe in God believe God.
You can't fake salvation! At the heart of it that is the crux of "conditional security". John 3:16 does not and never has said, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. That whosoever believes in him and works at keeping that faith shall be bestowed the grace of eternal life once they're dead and found approved of their work in keeping that faith.
All these 50 pages have done is circle back to a heretical argument against God's word. What does it behoove the saint to argue what God's immutable word declared? And that His only begotten Son died to seal with his blood?
Mustard Socks
Member
1 John 5:4
For everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.
Parakletos , here is the original Greek dear seekers . Greek was the language in which the new testament (NT) was written. Koine Greek to be exact.
Parakletos = Helper.The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
These verses dear seekers are to assist you if you ever encounter someone who challenges your knowledge as you begin your journey to answer God's summoning to rebirth.
Those that may say, you can lose your eternal salvation if you sin.
Never ! Remember, God foreknew you before He created the world. He also then knew upon whom He would bestow His grace.
All given in the spirit of Thanksgiving. May God continue to guide and bless his children.
For everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.
Parakletos , here is the original Greek dear seekers . Greek was the language in which the new testament (NT) was written. Koine Greek to be exact.
Parakletos = Helper.The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
- "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" John. 14:16
- "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" 1 John. 2:1 .
These verses dear seekers are to assist you if you ever encounter someone who challenges your knowledge as you begin your journey to answer God's summoning to rebirth.
Those that may say, you can lose your eternal salvation if you sin.
Never ! Remember, God foreknew you before He created the world. He also then knew upon whom He would bestow His grace.
All given in the spirit of Thanksgiving. May God continue to guide and bless his children.
Last edited:
Mustard Socks
Member
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17)
Question: "Can a Christian lose salvation?"
Answer: First, the term Christian must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer or walked down an aisle or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what makes a Christian. A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8–9).
A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).
May God protect His church from the wolves at the door. Amen.
Question: "Can a Christian lose salvation?"
Answer: First, the term Christian must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer or walked down an aisle or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what makes a Christian. A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8–9).
A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. Romans 11:28-32
Those to who them the gifts and calling are irrevocable, are enemies of the Gospel.
Do you believe the enemies of the Gospel have eternal life?
The gifts and calling of God is still available to those Jews who have rejected Christ, in which they were cut off.
They can be grafted back in, if they don't continue in unbelief.
JLB
When do we know a person has "fully trusted Jesus Christ"?
Before or after they are tested?
I'll tell you the answer: It's after they have been tested, which is why the salvation of our soul is received at the end, after the testing is over, and we have been approved.
6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:6-9
JLB
Mustard Socks
Member
The reward of salvation is received after this life. The 1Peter scripture does not state we only receive our salvation after we've passed the test of living by faith in this life. That's works based salvation and that is not truth of God in Christ. Nor is it the message of the cross. You're hoping to imply that we are not to believe ourselves eternally secure in God's written promise in scripture until we pass a test in this life and are then judged at how well we did. And how faithful we were in this life. That also is not scripture. You're talking about apostasy and its judgement after life.
Question: "If our salvation is eternally secure, why does the Bible warn so strongly against apostasy?"
Answer: The Bible teaches that everyone who is born again by the power of the Holy Spirit is saved forever. We receive the gift of eternal life (John 10:28), not temporary life. Someone who is born again (John 3:3) cannot be “unborn.” After being adopted into God’s family (Romans 8:15), we will not be kicked out. When God starts a work, He finishes it (Philippians 1:6). So, the child of God—the believer in Jesus Christ—is eternally secure in his salvation.
However, the Bible also contains some strong warnings against apostasy. These warnings have led some to doubt the doctrine of eternal security. After all, if we cannot lose our salvation, why are we warned against falling away from the Lord? This is a good question. First, we must understand what is meant by “apostasy.”
An apostate is someone who abandons his religious faith. It is clear from the Bible that apostates are people who made professions of faith in Jesus Christ but never genuinely received Him as Savior. They were pretend believers. Those who turn away from Christ never really trusted Him to begin with, as 1 John 2:19 says......
Question: "If our salvation is eternally secure, why does the Bible warn so strongly against apostasy?"
Answer: The Bible teaches that everyone who is born again by the power of the Holy Spirit is saved forever. We receive the gift of eternal life (John 10:28), not temporary life. Someone who is born again (John 3:3) cannot be “unborn.” After being adopted into God’s family (Romans 8:15), we will not be kicked out. When God starts a work, He finishes it (Philippians 1:6). So, the child of God—the believer in Jesus Christ—is eternally secure in his salvation.
However, the Bible also contains some strong warnings against apostasy. These warnings have led some to doubt the doctrine of eternal security. After all, if we cannot lose our salvation, why are we warned against falling away from the Lord? This is a good question. First, we must understand what is meant by “apostasy.”
An apostate is someone who abandons his religious faith. It is clear from the Bible that apostates are people who made professions of faith in Jesus Christ but never genuinely received Him as Savior. They were pretend believers. Those who turn away from Christ never really trusted Him to begin with, as 1 John 2:19 says......
Mustard Socks
Member
1 Peter 1
1 Peter 1King James Version (KJV)
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
1 Peter 1King James Version (KJV)
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
Last edited:
Without a doubt.
Mustard Socks
Member
Commentary 1 Peter 1
1 Peter 1 V 23–25: PERMANENT Just as God lives forever, so His Word endures forever. They have been born again spiritually through incorruptible and unchangeable seed. Their gospel blessings will also last for ever.
1 Peter 1 V 23–25: PERMANENT Just as God lives forever, so His Word endures forever. They have been born again spiritually through incorruptible and unchangeable seed. Their gospel blessings will also last for ever.
Last edited:
Mustard Socks
Member
My advice? Speak to the seekers. Pray for the worlds deceivers.
I know what you said. But your opinion doesn't line up with Scripture. Both justification and eternal life were described as gifts of God in Romans before Paul wrote that God's gifts are irrevocable.
That your view of God's grace doesn't line up with Scripture is not my problem.
The Bible teaches that God's gifts are irrevocable, but it seems you're not at all interested in what God's word says.
If anyone has a sin nature, they don't need a license. Where does one get the silly notion that one needs a license to sin?
Grace isn't a license for anything. But what God's grace DOES is give us the opportunity and privilege for service.
Unlike your system, which you've claimed that certain lifestyles will lose salvation (even though Christ died for ALL sins).
Your system is basically graceless. Screw up and go to hell. As if Christ didn't die for all sins. But He did. Your system refuses to accept that.