Just Finished Revelation...

[Willie T]

In our denomination, we speak often of spelling FAITH as, R-I-S-K.

Think about that for awhile. It means a lot more than just sounding cute.

 

[stovebolts]

I agree, and scripture backs this up. The only thing that we are to fear is God Himself. I found that it is a life or death fear at first, then changes into a reverential awe and respect as one grows closer to the Lord.

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18

Glory be to God that we are all being made perfect.

 

[civilwarbuff]

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18

Glory be to God that we are all being made perfect.

Fear is not always about punishment; it is just as frequently about the unknown......

 

[JohnDB]

Most people are controlled by their fears and wants.
(A portion of what this scripture is talking about)

It becomes more evident in the elderly as where they might have seemed in control of them when younger these fears and wants now play havoc with senior citizens.
The seniors are afraid of their doctors, medicine, and children. (Of course some do have reasons to fear their kids...shoulda been better)
Then it's really odd to see an elderly man addicted to child porn... even though they are blind.

I've seen many Doctors and Nurses have unreasonable fears about cancer or severe illnesses. To the point of insane diets and exercise routines and over medicating themselves.

Your worst criminals are always controlled by their fears and wants from an early age.

But the Believer has faith in God's sovereignty. Nothing touches a Believer unless God allows it. Not even a whole army bent on killing you nor a meal made of poison.

 

[ezrider]

So my reading of the New Testament came to an end recently (Through Biblegateway.com), and, as it neared the very end...it said some ominous things that I thought to share. In Chapter 21 it says;

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son...(Amen)
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

But the fearful?!

If you have just finished Revelations, then you would notice this same group in Chapter 22 are outside of the city. The fearful and unbelieving are outside of the city, the new Jerusalem. So who are the fearful and unbelieving? Perhaps they are those who are unbelieving and fearful of leaving the cross behind. They feel safe standing before the cross, and the sacrifice it stands for. But Christ isn't on the cross anymore, He is inside of the city.

The sacrifice of Christ was done outside of the city gate. Heb 13:11-12

Who are the fearful and unbelieving? They shall say in that day Lord, Lord, have we not......... And He shall say..... I never knew you.

And the door was shut. Consider the parable of the ten virgins. The call came out, the wise go forth to the wedding, the unwise return to those who buy and sell. They are fearful and unbelieving. They remain outside the city gate, where the cross stood. Will they find the door shut when that day comes? Matt 25:1-13

Fearful of leaving the cross behind. Unbelieving in the simple Grace of the Lord. If you find your walk keeps you in front of the cross, then you might want to consider where you will find yourself on that day, when the door is shut.

 

[Jim Parker]

The fearful and unbelieving are outside of the city, the new Jerusalem. So who are the fearful and unbelieving? Perhaps they are those who are unbelieving and fearful of leaving the cross behind. They feel safe standing before the cross, and the sacrifice it stands for. But Christ isn't on the cross anymore, He is inside of the city.

Who is outside the city?
Rev 22:15 ... dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

If you find your walk keeps you in front of the cross, then you might want to consider where you will find yourself on that day, when the door is shut.

I don't understand your point.
Please clarify.

iakov the fool

 

[Edward]

If you have just finished Revelations, then you would notice this same group in Chapter 22 are outside of the city. The fearful and unbelieving are outside of the city, the new Jerusalem. So who are the fearful and unbelieving? Perhaps they are those who are unbelieving and fearful of leaving the cross behind. They feel safe standing before the cross, and the sacrifice it stands for. But Christ isn't on the cross anymore, He is inside of the city.

The sacrifice of Christ was done outside of the city gate. Heb 13:11-12

Who are the fearful and unbelieving? They shall say in that day Lord, Lord, have we not......... And He shall say..... I never knew you.

And the door was shut. Consider the parable of the ten virgins. The call came out, the wise go forth to the wedding, the unwise return to those who buy and sell. They are fearful and unbelieving. They remain outside the city gate, where the cross stood. Will they find the door shut when that day comes? Matt 25:1-13

Fearful of leaving the cross behind. Unbelieving in the simple Grace of the Lord. If you find your walk keeps you in front of the cross, then you might want to consider where you will find yourself on that day, when the door is shut.

I did read that and found it odd to me. I didn't mention it because I'm chewing on it. Thanks Brother.

 

[stovebolts]

Fear is not always about punishment; it is just as frequently about the unknown......

Agreed. And like punishment, we don't like the feeling that something bad might happen.

 

[Edward]

Agreed. And like punishment, we don't like the feeling that something bad might happen.

It doesn't cease to amaze me just how many times the Lord tells us in scripture to not fear. It's like a command. It's also very encouraging to me that because of that, He wants to be there to back us up. He wants us to walk out on that field with Goliath and be confident!

That's my kind of God Brother!

 

[ezrider]

Who is outside the city?
Rev 22:15 ... dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Are you attempting to suggest because the "fearful and unbelieving" aren't specifically identified in this passage, that the are somehow exempt from being outside with the same? Perhaps your looking for a loophole?

I don't understand your point.
Please clarify.

My point was pretty simple. What didn't you understand about it?

I did read that and found it odd to me. I didn't mention it because I'm chewing on it. Thanks Brother.

Who is outside? Who are they that are without. Chew on these......

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

1 Cor 5:12-13
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth.

Colossians 4:2-6
Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving; Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds: That I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak.
Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

 

[Jim Parker]

Are you attempting to suggest because the "fearful and unbelieving" aren't specifically identified in this passage, that the are somehow exempt from being outside with the same?

No.

My point was pretty simple. What didn't you understand about it?

You said: "If you find your walk keeps you in front of the cross, then you might want to consider where you will find yourself on that day, when the door is shut."
Please be specific as to what you mean.
I don't understand.

 

[ezrider]

You said: "If you find your walk keeps you in front of the cross, then you might want to consider where you will find yourself on that day, when the door is shut."
Please be specific as to what you mean.
I don't understand.

1. The cross and crucifixion was done outside of the city gates. The cross remains outside of the city walls.
2. Christ is not up on the cross, He is inside of the new Jerusalem, He is the chief cornerstone.
3. By Faith we have been called to come forth Mt Sion, to the heavenly kingdom and the new Jerusalem; not wait at the cross.
4. If you are waiting at the cross, then are you following Christ? He is not on the cross. He has risen.
5. Can the cross become a stumbling block? Christ was made a stumbling block.

Therefore: If your walk keeps you in front of the cross, then you might want to consider where you will find yourself in that day, when the door is shut? If the cross is outside the city walls, and you remain before the cross: then where would you find yourself?

Matt 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matt 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 25:10-13
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Matt 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

 

[Jim Parker]

1. The cross and crucifixion was done outside of the city gates. The cross remains outside of the city walls.
2. Christ is not up on the cross, He is inside of the new Jerusalem, He is the chief cornerstone.
3. By Faith we have been called to come forth Mt Sion, to the heavenly kingdom and the new Jerusalem; not wait at the cross.
4. If you are waiting at the cross, then are you following Christ? He is not on the cross. He has risen.
5. Can the cross become a stumbling block? Christ was made a stumbling block.

Therefore: If your walk keeps you in front of the cross, then you might want to consider where you will find yourself in that day, when the door is shut? If the cross is outside the city walls, and you remain before the cross: then where would you find yourself?

Matt 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matt 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 25:10-13
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Matt 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Ah! Thank you. That helps a lot.
Now, if you would please clarify for me what you mean by someone's walk keeping them in front of the cross.
I don't understand the metaphor.

iakov the fool

 

[Edward]

Ah! Thank you. That helps a lot.
Now, if you would please clarify for me what you mean by someone's walk keeping them in front of the cross.
I don't understand the metaphor.

iakov the fool

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that he was meaning, we should not stay at the foot of the cross. (That's stagnation). We should pick up from there and walk with the Lord away from the cross. To be about our Fathers work as led by the Holy Spirit. Somethings wrong when one stays at the foot of the cross. It prolly means that one is not hearing or wanting to hear the Holy Spirit because if they had been then they wouldn't be there at the foot of the cross, they'd be found in Azotus (like Philip was in Acts 8:40). Having done a baptism was whisked away by the Spirit to go on to other work.

That makes sense to me and I hope it does to you too Brother.

 

[Edward]

1. The cross and crucifixion was done outside of the city gates. The cross remains outside of the city walls.
2. Christ is not up on the cross, He is inside of the new Jerusalem, He is the chief cornerstone.
3. By Faith we have been called to come forth Mt Sion, to the heavenly kingdom and the new Jerusalem; not wait at the cross.
4. If you are waiting at the cross, then are you following Christ? He is not on the cross. He has risen.
5. Can the cross become a stumbling block? Christ was made a stumbling block.

Therefore: If your walk keeps you in front of the cross, then you might want to consider where you will find yourself in that day, when the door is shut? If the cross is outside the city walls, and you remain before the cross: then where would you find yourself?

Matt 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matt 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matt 25:10-13
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Matt 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

That's very interesting Brother. So these people don't go to hell, but neither do they be let in at the city gates? This is something new for me, and I've not heard this view before. I thought that, either they go to hell or go to heaven...Please expound on this a little more Brother.

 

[markathome]

 

[civilwarbuff]

I dunno, the foot of the Cross sounds like a good place to be....

 

[dianegcook]

I did read that and found it odd to me. I didn't mention it because I'm chewing on it. Thanks Brother.

Hi Edward
My understanding of this is,
When Christ returns, all will change into spiritual bodies,in Rev.20:4
Those whom overcame the beast, lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years, or say, the Lord's day, the millennium , what ever..they live in the Holy Temple with Christ and with others that were deceased, as in 1 Thess.4:14, God bring with Him...they have put on immortality.
The other's still have mortal souls, liable to die..
In Ezek.44: we have the millennium temple...
Ezek.44:23-28
They shall teach My people the difference between the Holy and profane, and to discern between the clean and unclean
They shall judge it according to My judgments and so forth..

Then when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev.20:7-10
To test those whom are outside, and the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire.
Then the Great White Throne, Rev.20:11-15
When the dead, (spiritually dead, mortal soul) were judged according to their works.
And death and hell was cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death..
Most disagree with me, but that's ok.
But I believe it to be the death of the soul..
Mortal vs immortal...

 

[Edward]

Then when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev.20:7-10
To test those whom are outside, and the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire.
Then the Great White Throne, Rev.20:11-15
When the dead, (spiritually dead, mortal soul) were judged according to their works.
And death and hell was cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death..
Most disagree with me, but that's ok.
But I believe it to be the death of the soul..
Mortal vs immortal...

I just finished Revelation and must've glassed right over this, lol. So this is the people who are without the city. (Outside the gates).
And Ezekiel explains what they will be doing outside...summer school, so to speak then satan deceives as many as he can, a final test of them. How great is God's mercy! Just from a to z.

Right? That makes sense, I agree with you.

 

[Jim Parker]

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that he was meaning, we should not stay at the foot of the cross. (That's stagnation). We should pick up from there and walk with the Lord away from the cross. To be about our Fathers work as led by the Holy Spirit. Somethings wrong when one stays at the foot of the cross. It prolly means that one is not hearing or wanting to hear the Holy Spirit because if they had been then they wouldn't be there at the foot of the cross, they'd be found in Azotus (like Philip was in Acts 8:40). Having done a baptism was whisked away by the Spirit to go on to other work.

That makes sense to me and I hope it does to you too Brother.

Yes it does.