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Nice Gospel Message aka the Good News, come to the Cross for eternal death and/or the lake of fire?
Sounds like more Fake News but to each his own.
God Bless
 
Ah! Thank you. That helps a lot.
Now, if you would please clarify for me what you mean by someone's walk keeping them in front of the cross.
I don't understand the metaphor.

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that he was meaning, we should not stay at the foot of the cross. (That's stagnation). We should pick up from there and walk with the Lord away from the cross. To be about our Fathers work as led by the Holy Spirit.

Yes it does.

Thank you Edward, you are correct in your understanding of what I am saying.

But as we can see, some only feel safe in front of the cross? Why is that? What keeps them at the foot of the cross?
 
That's very interesting Brother. So these people don't go to hell, but neither do they be let in at the city gates? This is something new for me, and I've not heard this view before. I thought that, either they go to hell or go to heaven...Please expound on this a little more Brother.

What is our perception of hell? Do we see it through the eyes of Dante's Inferno? A burning place of everlasting torture? Is that the perception we get we looking at the lake of fire? How can that be an image of hell when death and hell are cast into the lake of fire?

But as I try to stay in context with the writings of the scriptures and my understanding, then I see the lake of fire a little differently. God is a Consuming Fire. Perhaps those on the outside shall be led by a pillar of fire. In your OP on this subject, you spoke about fear. Consider the story in desert, how the children of God were to make themselves ready against the third day, and on the third day, when the trumpet blew long, they were to come up the mountain and receive Gods commands. But when God descended upon the mountain in a cloud of fire, the people were fearful and would not go up. They refused to hear Gods words, and chose for themselves to follow a man.

Do the fearful and unbelieving wait at the foot of the cross making themselves ready, waiting for the trumpet to blow long?

Hebrews 12:18-24
For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


As to your question: So these people don't go to hell, but neither do they be let in at the city gates?

From the parable in Mathew about the broad way and the narrow way. Do they both enter in? But only the narrow way leads to life. Where does the broad way lead to? Consider these two groups.

John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Those who enter in on the narrow road have come to the resurrection of life. Those on the broad way were on the outside, perhaps waiting at the cross. As for the lake of fire, they shall stand before the glory of God and be judged according to their works.

Hosea 6:1-2
Come, and let us return unto the Lord:
for he hath torn, and he will heal us;
he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
After two days will he revive us:
in the third day he will raise us up,
and we shall live in his sight.
Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord:
his going forth is prepared as the morning;
and he shall come unto us as the rain,
as the latter and former rain unto the earth.
 
Matthew 16:24-26 Luke 9:23
Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his CROSS and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?

You can either have the cross by carrying it on your back or be at the foot of the cross but nowhere do I see that we should just throw the CROSS away?
 
Those who enter in on the narrow road have come to the resurrection of life. Those on the broad way were on the outside, perhaps waiting at the cross. As for the lake of fire, they shall stand before the glory of God and be judged according to their works.

Judging a group of people to HELL, because "a group" has decided to create a new image of the Xross, based on the concept of what the "group" thinks the new Xross stands for?

If Jesus Christ has returned already and is in the New Jerusalem somewhere in the new middle east then why would I/we need Faith or the Gospel or the Cross for, the Faith becomes FACT, there is no more believing to be saved.
 
But the fearful?! I took very close notice of that statement, it's scary. I know that we're not to fear and that it's serious and important (because it is the most often repeated phrase throughout the entire scriptures)...but this verse upped the anti on it to me. This is like a command. How would you like to wind up going to hell for doing everything right except that you were fearful at times when you should not have been?! I wouldn't. (Not that I do everything right, but still...) Do not fear. That is not a suggestion, it's a command. David before Goliath type of do not fear.

Before you OSAS crowd poo-poos me by saying, oh you're forgiven, note this other scripture which gave me pause, near the end of Revelation...

:salute
 
I did not say it remains; I said it lays at the cross.....huge difference......

Are you that sensitive over semantics that you couldn't answer the question? Okay, you said lays at the cross, I said remains at the cross. You see a huge difference, while I make no distinction.If it lays at the cross, it remains laying at the cross. What is the distinction that you make? What about your salvation lays at the cross?
 
What about your salvation lays at the cross?
Fearful of leaving the cross behind. Unbelieving in the simple Grace of the Lord. If you find your walk keeps you in front of the cross, then you might want to consider where you will find yourself on that day, when the door is shut.
No where in scripture are we instructed to leave the Cross behind; without the Cross there is no sacrifice; without the sacrifice there is no salvation. Messiah himself said: Mat 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. ESV
 

Fear. But fear of what?

It is sin that brings people to the cross. It is the fear of DEATH that keeps them there. The children of Israel were afraid to go up the mountain because of the fear for their death. The narrow road doesn't stop at the cross, it passes through the cross, but to do so requires one thing, the knowledge and acceptance of our own death, to be crucified with Christ. If we are crucified with Christ, then we are risen with Him also.

But the fearful and unbelieving, they remain at the cross. Like the children of Israel before them, they fear for their own death, and would not go up the mountain. Because they are unbelieving they remain before the cross, which was their first death, they shall face the Judgement seat before the Glory of the Lord, which is the second death.
 
No where in scripture are we instructed to leave the Cross behind; without the Cross there is no sacrifice; without the sacrifice there is no salvation. Messiah himself said: Mat 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. ESV


The Lord is My Salvation....

So by your reasoning, without the Cross, then there is NO LORD? :shrug
 
Fear. But fear of what?

It is sin that brings people to the cross. It is the fear of DEATH that keeps them there. The children of Israel were afraid to go up the mountain because of the fear for their death. The narrow road doesn't stop at the cross, it passes through the cross, but to do so requires one thing, the knowledge and acceptance of our own death, to be crucified with Christ. If we are crucified with Christ, then we are risen with Him also.

But the fearful and unbelieving, they remain at the cross. Like the children of Israel before them, they fear for their own death, and would not go up the mountain. Because they are unbelieving they remain before the cross, which was their first death, they shall face the Judgement seat before the Glory of the Lord, which is the second death.

7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8

They fear persecution and death, in which the will depart from the faith, no longer believing, because of persecution.

But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13


JLB
 
First they have to distort Revelation by Adding or Removing stuff to make a carnal narrative, then somewhere
else in the Bible they have to repeat the same process, sadly in this case the victim is the Cross.

Philippians 3:18-20
For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the CROSS of Christ.
 
The Lord is My Salvation....

So by your reasoning, without the Cross, then there is NO LORD? :shrug
That is a nonsensical question.....The Lord was The Lord before creation; we were not talking about who is the Lord.....we were talking about the Cross and salvation.
If Messiah does not allow Himself to be our sacrifice do we have salvation?.......Did the OT Jews have salvation before Calvary?
 
That is a nonsensical question.....The Lord was The Lord before creation; we were not talking about who is the Lord.....we were talking about the Cross and salvation.
If Messiah does not allow Himself to be our sacrifice do we have salvation?.......Did the OT Jews have salvation before Calvary?

You still have not answered the simple question I asked.

What about your salvation lays at the cross?
 

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