How much is enough?

[Roro1972]

Heavens slums? No such thing. Scripture describes differences in heaven, and rank in heaven so there may be something to this. But I wouldn't go as far as to say slums, for some will be rewarded more than others. Scripture describes mansions in heaven...rooms in the Fathers house...and says that we'll be judged and rewarded according to our works, so lay up your treasure in heaven...

It also says the first will be last and the last first...that may reference the bema seat where he who gets the least reward in heaven, will be first to receive it...and on down the line to he who will be rewarded more than any other will be last at the ceremony. Who get a mansion, and who gets a room in the fathers house? I would guess that the Bride of Christ and those called the sons of God would be living at the Fathers house? Then the servants and friends get to live in the mansions? Something like that...

This post brings to mind the parable about the hired workers for a penny a day and as the day went on he hired others for a penny but they did not work the whole day and still were paid the same at the end of the day he paid those that did not work the whole day a penny in front of those who worked the whole day for a penny.

 

[Cygnus]

I reviewed the thread and didn't see the answer to this...Perhaps i missed it.

How much is enough? That is a question for those that believe we merit or earn salvation. How much "good" must we do?
For the OSNAS posters.....How much good works, merit, following Christ must we do to remain in salvation?

Do we need to do one act of "good" a day? 20 acts of good a week? 1,000 acts of good a month? What's the number?

 

[Cygnus]

My point is good works are REQUIRED by God seeing that God has preordained Christians to do good works.

How many good works?

 

[billybalke]

How many good works?

Don't worry about it, just do them.

 

[billybalke]

Don't worry about it, just do them.

One can never "do" enough good works to merit heaven, heaven can't be bought.

 

[Seabass]

How many good works?

Ephesians 2:10 does not specify a set number.

Galatians 6:10 "As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith."

(I get the sense by you asking me the question you did above, you don't really believe that the Christian must do good works.)

 

[Free]

I reviewed the thread and didn't see the answer to this...Perhaps i missed it.

How much is enough? That is a question for those that believe we merit or earn salvation. How much "good" must we do?
For the OSNAS posters.....How much good works, merit, following Christ must we do to remain in salvation?

Do we need to do one act of "good" a day? 20 acts of good a week? 1,000 acts of good a month? What's the number?

What makes you think that if one believes that it is possible to lose--walk away from--one's salvation, that it then means they must also believe works are necessary to earn salvation?

You seem to disagree that the Bible teaches we are to do good works. Would that be a correct assessment?

 

[Cygnus]

Ephesians 2:10 does not specify a set number.

Galatians 6:10 "As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith."

(I get the sense by you asking me the question you did above, you don't really believe that the Christian must do good works.)

As we should. BUT, and a big BUT...is motivation.
The OSNAS sect "works" to remain saved. They work with the hopes of saving their own soul.....while the OSAS work for the glory of God.

Part 2:
A christian does good works as a result..or by-product...of their salvation. Not a means of obtaining it or substaining it.

Part 3:
If a christian does not perform "works" they remain saved. Why they would profess to be a christian and not work to glorify the Lord is beyond me. But, their loss isn't salvation. Their loss is rewards.
1 Cor 3:15 If the work of anyone will be burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, but so as through fire.

 

[Cygnus]

What makes you think that if one believes that it is possible to lose--walk away from--one's salvation, that it then means they must also believe works are necessary to earn salvation?

You seem to disagree that the Bible teaches we are to do good works. Would that be a correct assessment?

What makes me think that if one believes that it is possible to lose--walk away from--one's salvation, that it then means they must also believe works are necessary to earn salvation?

The answer is quite simple...those that post here.
You then stated..."You seem to disagree that the Bible teaches we are to do good works. Would that be a correct assessment?"

Where have I ever disagreed with good works?

 

[Free]

The answer is quite simple...those that post here.

But you do realize that that is not necessarily the case, yes?

Where have I ever disagreed with good works?

When someone stated that God requires us to do good works, you replied with "How many good works?"

Your response seems to imply that you disagree. The other poster is correct--we are to do good works, so just do them.

 

[Cygnus]

Your response seems to imply that you disagree.

Then you implied wrong.

 

[Free]

Then you implied wrong.

I didn't imply anything. If you do believe that Christians are to do good works, then your question makes no sense, hence why it suggests you disagree.

 

[Cygnus]

When someone stated that God requires us to do good works, you replied with "How many good works?"

I didn't imply anything. If you do believe that Christians are to do good works, then your question makes no sense, hence why it suggests you disagree.

Of course I replied that way. That group typically believes works saves you...so, how much do we need to do in order to be saved or...remain...saved? They have this theology and love to push it..so, how much?

 

[Free]

Of course I replied that way. That group typically believes works saves you...so, how much do we need to do in order to be saved or...remain...saved? They have this theology and love to push it..so, how much?

But that wasn't what was being pushed. That's the point.

 

[Cygnus]

But that wasn't what was being pushed. That's the point.

OK, Free...what must a christian do to remain saved?

 

[Free]

OK, Free...what must a christian do to remain saved?

What we're supposed to do: work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12). We strive for "the holiness without which no one will see the Lord" (Heb. 12:14). That is the process of sanctification that we are to engage in.

 

[Cygnus]

What we're supposed to do: work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12). We strive for "the holiness without which no one will see the Lord" (Heb. 12:14). That is the process of sanctification that we are to engage in.

I don't disagree...BUT...you didn't answer the question. What must we do to remain saved? If you are a OSNAS believer, then you should know the answer. What must we do to remain saved?

 

[reba]

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Free]

I don't disagree...BUT...you didn't answer the question. What must we do to remain saved? If you are a OSNAS believer, then you should know the answer. What must we do to remain saved?

I did answer your question. Just because my answer doesn't fit within your false dichotomy view of OSAS/OSNAS, doesn't mean that I didn't answer it.

 

[Cygnus]

What we're supposed to do: work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12). We strive for "the holiness without which no one will see the Lord" (Heb. 12:14). That is the process of sanctification that we are to engage in.

I did answer your question. Just because my answer doesn't fit within your false dichotomy view of OSAS/OSNAS, doesn't mean that I didn't answer it.

I understand you loud and clear...you are telling us if we don't work...we lose our salvation. If that is incorrect then perhaps you ought to explain yourself better...this way i won't present what you consider as a false dichotomy.

...which takes us back...how much work is enough to remain saved?

This open up another can of worms...if salvation is afree gift....why must we then earn it? Can one really earn a free gift?