[_ Old Earth _] Evolutionism and Evolution; some essential differences

[Barbarian]

Genesis 7:22 ..

Genesis 7:22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died.

Notice that eretz is translated as "earth", meaning "land." So everything that breathed in the area died.

But this still doesn't explain how Noah got all those whales on board, which is what happened if you take the story as a literal history.

 

[brujaq]

Can't see the forest for the trees, eh fella ?

 

[dirtfarmer]

Genesis 7:22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died.

Notice that eretz is translated as "earth", meaning "land." So everything that breathed in the area died.

But this still doesn't explain how Noah got all those whales on board, which is what happened if you take the story as a literal history.

hello Barbarian, dirtfarmer here

Where does scripture state that anything that lived in water had to be aboard the ark? Land animals doesn't mean marine life? does it?

 

[Barbarian]

Where does scripture state that anything that lived in water had to be aboard the ark? Land animals doesn't mean marine life? does it?

It says "everything with the breath of life." That includes whales.

 

[Barbarian]

Can't see the forest for the trees, eh fella ?

You mean "Scripture must be interpreted literally in all cases, except when we say it isn't."

 

[dirtfarmer]

It says "everything with the breath of life." That includes whales.

hello Barbarian, dirtfarmer here

Do whales live in water , even though they breath air? The ones that I have seen first hand come up and surface to get air. What would be the necessity to have them on the ark for survival during the flood?

 

[brother Paul]

It says "everything with the breath of life." That includes whales.

There is no comma in the Hebrew, so it means all that had nostrils in which was the breath of life that were on the land...

 

[brujaq]

Genesis 7:22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died.

Notice that eretz is translated as "earth", meaning "land." So everything that breathed in the area died.

But this still doesn't explain how Noah got all those whales on board, which is what happened if you take the story as a literal history.

Genesis 1:10 ... Jeremiah 5:21

 

[Barbarian]

Genesis 7:22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died.

Notice that eretz is translated as "earth", meaning "land." So everything that breathed in the area died.

But this still doesn't explain how Noah got all those whales on board, which is what happened if you take the story as a literal history.

Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land, Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

God uses the same word to describe the land of Israel. Unless you're trying to tell us that Israel comprises the whole world, you just undercut your own argument.

Jeremiah is speaking to you:
Jeremiah 5:21 Hear, O foolish people, and without understanding: who have eyes, and see not: and ears, and hear not.

 

[Barbarian]

There is no comma in the Hebrew, so it means all that had nostrils in which was the breath of life that were on the land...

No, it doesn't say that. That would be man's addition to God's word. And even if it did say that, whales have nostrils. They are just repositioned on the skull.

 

[Barbarian]

Do whales live in water , even though they breath air? The ones that I have seen first hand come up and surface to get air. What would be the necessity to have them on the ark for survival during the flood?

Doesn't make much sense, does it. And yet that's what it says, if you take it literally. That's the kind of thing that forcing a literalist interpretation on the Bible will do. Goes back to the strict literalist position:

"Scripture must be interpreted literally in all cases, except when we say it isn't."

 

[brujaq]

You mean "Scripture must be interpreted literally in all cases, except when we say it isn't."

Jude 1:10

Genesis 7:22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died.

Notice that eretz is translated as "earth", meaning "land." So everything that breathed in the area died.

But this still doesn't explain how Noah got all those whales on board, which is what happened if you take the story as a literal history.



God uses the same word to describe the land of Israel. Unless you're trying to tell us that Israel comprises the whole world, you just undercut your own argument.

Jeremiah is speaking to you:
Jeremiah 5:21 Hear, O foolish people, and without understanding: who have eyes, and see not: and ears, and hear not.

You're getting desperate ..

 

[dirtfarmer]

Doesn't make much sense, does it. And yet that's what it says, if you take it literally. That's the kind of thing that forcing a literalist interpretation on the Bible will do. Goes back to the strict literalist position:

"Scripture must be interpreted literally in all cases, except when we say it isn't."

hello Barbarian, dirtfarmer here

You are taking Genesis 7:22 out of context. To properly understand that passage of scripture you should also included v's 21 & 23.

 

[Barbarian]

Don't see how those verses contradict Genesis 7:22.

 

[brother Paul]

There are no commas in the Hebrew..so it says that all land animals in whose nostrils is the breath of life (ZERO sea creatures)

 

[dirtfarmer]

Don't see how those verses contradict Genesis 7:22.

hello Barbarian, dirtfarmer here

No contradiction, context only.

 

[Barbarian]

hello Barbarian, dirtfarmer here

No contradiction, context only.

I don't see how it changes the context, either. If all living things that breathe went on the Ark, then whales were aboard. So where manatees, seals,sea lions, etc.

 

[dirtfarmer]

I don't see how it changes the context, either. If all living things that breathe went on the Ark, then whales were aboard. So where manatees, seals,sea lions, etc.

hello Barbarian, dirtfarmer here

If you want to believe the whales," manatees, seals, sea lions, etc.", then that is your decision. I prefer to use the common sense that God gave.

 

[brother Paul]

I don't see how it changes the context, either. If all living things that breathe went on the Ark, then whales were aboard. So where manatees, seals,sea lions, etc.

They were not land animals

 

[Barbarian]

They were not land animals

Bible doesn't say anything about "land animals." Only those with the breath of life in them. All the animals I mentioned, including whales, have the breath of life in them.