Marianne Williamson

[Free]

No , I saw that. You attempted to add from Williamsons website to add fuel to Allen's fire in the OP. I simply informed you that what was being discussed was what you added at the end of your fuel.

I really don't know what you're saying here.

 

[Free]

I'm going to leave this post now because of the content and motive of this thread appearing in the Christian advice and talk forum. No advice is being sought.

Yes, it is the wrong forum. It should be in Apologetics or Theology.

You all just want to talk about a Christian who doesn't meet the criteria you all think fits what is approved by you all as the type Christian that doesn't deserve to be talked about.
And that a member here happens to have one of Williamson's quotes in her signature just so happens to be what is the actual purpose of all this. When the OP observed that no Christain quotes Williamson.

But certain Christians talk about other Christians not appearing to be Christian. Because those certain not appearing to be's think differently than Christians that think to call certain not appearing to be Christians not Christian. Because of how they think, while in line with the scriptures, but yet are not approved by some Christians to think that way because the scriptures can only be thought of their way so as not to warrant from them being talked about as not Christian.


I've read of that kind of behavior and attitude before. Not conforming to what is expected and to be approved thought concerning scriptures and one's faithfulness to and within them. AH yes, that's right. Jesus! When he was dragged before the Pharisee's who did not approve how he read the scriptures and lived and taught the life within them was contemporary, alive, and real for anyone who held faith. Because the scriptures are God's personal communication to each one of his sheep who know his voice. And he knows each of their names. Individuals who know the father as daugher or son. And like in human familial relationships those are intimate bonds of knowing unique between each child and each parent. They talk to one another and understand as individuals not as robots the message of family and love for one another.

But some think everyone has to read the same scripture the same way or else they're not a Christian. There is more alive in the words of The Word that is God than writing on the page.

Ta.

And would you discuss things and actually address points being made if this was moved to an appropriate forum?

 

[reba]

What Marianne Williamson Believes About Jesus
A conversation between an itinerant writer and a spirituality guru. Subject? Jesus.
Spiritual pilgrim and psychotherapist Bill Elliott travelled the country in a motor home, interviewing believers about what Jesus means to them. The result is "A Place at the Table," a new book of 24 interviews with scholars, evangelists, and mystics. One of his most arresting conversations was with New Age guru Marianne Williamson, author of "A Return to Love," which is based on the teachings of A Course in Miracles.

Who was/is Jesus?

Jesus was a human being who while on earth completely self-actualized and fulfilled in all ways the potential glory that lies within us all. He became one with the Essence and Christ Spirit that is in all of us. In that sense, he is our evolutionary elder brother. He demonstrated our destiny. He displayed for all to see the destination of this journey that we are on. The only thing lacking in any situation is our own awareness of love, and Jesus realized and taught that.
Jesus is a personal symbol of the Holy Spirit. Having been totally healed by the Holy Spirit, Jesus became one with him. Every thought, action, and deed of Jesus was guided by the Holy Spirit instead of ego. He's not the only face the Holy Spirit takes on - he is a face. To think about Jesus is to think about and bring forth the perfect love inside us. Jesus actualized the Christ mind, and was then given the power to help the rest of us reach that place within ourselves.
He was sent down by God - as we all are. We are all extensions of the mind of God. We all contain nuggets of glory. Recently, I was interviewed on a television program about miracles and they talked about what constituted a miracle. They said the birth of a child was not a miracle. A miracle they asserted was this or that, and was an extraordinary occurrence, but the birth of a child was not. My nine-year-old daughter was very bothered by that statement, and for the right reasons. The issue here is not that a miracle is something more extraordinary that the birth of a child. The issue here is that the birth of a child is a miracle - and that we are surrounded by the miraculous, but we don't have miracle-minded perception.

 

[Free]

What Marianne Williamson Believes About Jesus
A conversation between an itinerant writer and a spirituality guru. Subject? Jesus.
Spiritual pilgrim and psychotherapist Bill Elliott travelled the country in a motor home, interviewing believers about what Jesus means to them. The result is "A Place at the Table," a new book of 24 interviews with scholars, evangelists, and mystics. One of his most arresting conversations was with New Age guru Marianne Williamson, author of "A Return to Love," which is based on the teachings of A Course in Miracles.

Who was/is Jesus?

Jesus was a human being who while on earth completely self-actualized and fulfilled in all ways the potential glory that lies within us all. He became one with the Essence and Christ Spirit that is in all of us. In that sense, he is our evolutionary elder brother. He demonstrated our destiny. He displayed for all to see the destination of this journey that we are on. The only thing lacking in any situation is our own awareness of love, and Jesus realized and taught that.
Jesus is a personal symbol of the Holy Spirit. Having been totally healed by the Holy Spirit, Jesus became one with him. Every thought, action, and deed of Jesus was guided by the Holy Spirit instead of ego. He's not the only face the Holy Spirit takes on - he is a face. To think about Jesus is to think about and bring forth the perfect love inside us. Jesus actualized the Christ mind, and was then given the power to help the rest of us reach that place within ourselves.
He was sent down by God - as we all are. We are all extensions of the mind of God. We all contain nuggets of glory. Recently, I was interviewed on a television program about miracles and they talked about what constituted a miracle. They said the birth of a child was not a miracle. A miracle they asserted was this or that, and was an extraordinary occurrence, but the birth of a child was not. My nine-year-old daughter was very bothered by that statement, and for the right reasons. The issue here is not that a miracle is something more extraordinary that the birth of a child. The issue here is that the birth of a child is a miracle - and that we are surrounded by the miraculous, but we don't have miracle-minded perception.

Exactly. There is just so much wrong in there that isn't even remotely Christian, not even remotely an acceptable understanding of Jesus.

 

[reba]

Agree Free ...

 

[Papa Zoom]

This forum section was created for the specific goal of giving solid Christian advice to one another and allowing for purely Christian discussion on topics.

 

[GodsGrace]

For me, the advice would be not to read and support these persons with New Age ideas.
It's almost idolatry...maybe I wouldn't go that far, I'm sure they're not read with that intent, but I think everything we read influences us.

 

[stovebolts]

Free In post 35, you wrote:

Completely wrong. One simply cannot be a Christian and have such a view of Jesus.

Do you know if she identifies as a Christian? I mean, do you know if she has ever called herself a Christian, or does she just pull out of the Bible what she wants?

I personally know very little about her, and since you have made the charge against her, I'd like to hear otherwise from her.
Without a citation to prove the matter, it is merely your opinion.

 

[stovebolts]

For me, the advice would be not to read and support these persons with New Age ideas.
It's almost idolatry...maybe I wouldn't go that far, I'm sure they're not read with that intent, but I think everything we read influences us.

Our culture has a profound impact both on our lives and how we view the world around us. It is nearly impossible to read the scriptures without our cultural lens.

 

[reba]

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[GodsGrace]

Free In post 35, you wrote:

Do you know if she identifies as a Christian? I mean, do you know if she has ever called herself a Christian, or does she just pull out of the Bible what she wants?

I personally know very little about her, and since you have made the charge against her, I'd like to hear otherwise from her.
Without a citation to prove the matter, it is merely your opinion.

SB
I don't know her either, but just from the few quotes of hers read here on this forum I'd say she cannot be a Christian.

Being a Christian comports a certain set of beliefs. Some take some Christian ideas out of the Bible and twist and contort them. What they end up with is not Christianity.

Just as an example, she said Jesus is not the only son of God, we all are.
(From the o.p.)

 

[Free]

Free In post 35, you wrote:

Do you know if she identifies as a Christian? I mean, do you know if she has ever called herself a Christian, or does she just pull out of the Bible what she wants?

I personally know very little about her, and since you have made the charge against her, I'd like to hear otherwise from her.
Without a citation to prove the matter, it is merely your opinion.

Well, if you actually read the quote I was addressing, you would see that the user I quoted identifies Williamson as a Christian. That is the point I was addressing.

Not that I understand what your point is. If Williamson isn't a Christian, then my point stands. If she does claim to be a Christian, my point still stands--one cannot be a Christian and have such a view of Jesus.

 

[stovebolts]

Well, if you actually read the quote I was addressing, you would see that the user I quoted identifies Williamson as a Christian. That is the point I was addressing.

Not that I understand what your point is. If Williamson isn't a Christian, then my point stands. If she does claim to be a Christian, my point still stands--one cannot be a Christian and have such a view of Jesus.

That begs the question: what is a Christian.

 

[Free]

That begs the question: what is a Christian.

How so, exactly? What is your point?

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Call me crazy but why on earth is this topic in Christian Talk and Advice? I don't see anything helpful about this topic at all. I mean sorry if I'm speaking out of turn but isn't the whole entire point of this forum to be helpful towards others? All I see is a bunch of arguing going on about whether or not some lady is a Christian. Oh well,.. since I absolutely see no point in being part of this topic I'm going to leave it now. It makes absolutely no difference to me whether or not she's a Christian since for one I don't have a clue who she is, and two,.. none of my business. Before I leave though I'm actually going to post a bit of advice on here. Instead of arguing over her faith, why don't you just step back and allow God to handle it?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yeah, and I know people who hang out in barrooms drinking and preach Jesus the drunker they get.
Doesn't mean there aren't better ways to share the Gospel with people.
I wonder, why is a Christian reading what an atheist has to say to begin with?

Mar 9:38 John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.”
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me.
Mar 9:40 For the one who is not against us is for us.
Mar 9:41 For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will by no means lose his reward.

 

[stovebolts]

How so, exactly? What is your point?

Well, according to what you've said, one person identifies her as a Christian, and you identify her otherwise. I know little to nothing on this woman. I see she talks about God and Jesus. But that doesn't tell us if she is, or isnt.

So I am curios what your view is on what makes one person a Christian, and another not. This begs the question: what is a Christian?

 

[Free]

Well, according to what you've said, one person identifies her as a Christian, and you identify her otherwise. I know little to nothing on this woman. I see she talks about God and Jesus. But that doesn't tell us if she is, or isnt.

So I am curios what your view is on what makes one person a Christian, and another not. This begs the question: what is a Christian?

Well, if you had followed the discussion, you would see I gave ample evidence as to what she teaches, and what she teaches regarding Jesus is quite unbiblical, quite anti-Christian. It is indeed what she says about God and Jesus that tells if she is or isn't a Christian, or at least likely or unlikely a Christian. I laid it all out quite clearly and plainly, based on what she has said and what her website says (which, too, by extension is what she says).

 

[stovebolts]

Well, if you had followed the discussion, you would see I gave ample evidence as to what she teaches, and what she teaches regarding Jesus is quite unbiblical, quite anti-Christian. It is indeed what she says about God and Jesus that tells if she is or isn't a Christian, or at least likely or unlikely a Christian. I laid it all out quite clearly and plainly, based on what she has said and what her website says (which, too, by extension is what she says).

Ohh, I've been following the discussion, so please don't assume that I haven't.
What I have seen you do, is simply state that you disagree with her and then based on your judgment, you have strongly asserted that she is not a Christian.

This befuddled me. Are we now allowed to tell people that they are not Christian because we strongly disagree with their theology?

So, I'll ask you again. What is a Christian? If you can't define what is is to be a Christian, how are we to judge what anti-Christian is?

 

[reba]

Are Christians to not read a persons beliefs and gain an understand of their thoughts. Do not a persons words spoken or printed tell us what they believe if we listen?
Would a Christian have a Buddha behind them as they teach ?