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Who sustains the existence of all things?

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For in Him we live and move and exist, as also some of your poets have said— ‘For we are indeed the One’s offspring’.​
Acts 17:28 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 17:28&version=DLNT

And He Himself is before all things, and all things have existence in Him.​
Colossians 1:17 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Colossians 1:17&version=DLNT

...Who— being the radiance of His glory and exact-representation of His essence, and upholding all things by the word of His power— having made purification of sins, sat- down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,​
Hebrews 1:3 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Hebrews 1:3&version=DLNT
 
Christ Jesus who is our prohibition for sin and mediator before the Father who is our very existence that sustains us in all things.
 
The Son.
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
 
Matthew 28:17-19 King James Version (KJV)
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, {All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.}

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
maybe im not fully understanding the question but the power comes from Christ channeled through the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:7-9 King James Version (KJV)
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

i like the parable of the vine He is the true vine we are the branches connected to him to have this power we must be connected to him.
John 15:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

to have fruit there must be root. Christ gives us the power .his roots goes to the power source
 
The radiance of God's glory is shown through Christ as all He speaks and does for us is given Him from the Father.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
 
chessman said:
So, The Father is sustained by The Son’s powerful word?
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Not The Father.
Just as putting all things under the Son doesn't mean the one who put everything under Him. The Father
Just as the creation was made through the Son yet all things are from the Father.

As was written it is the Son who sustains all things or IN HIM all things hold together.
 
Randy said:
As was written it is the Son who sustains all things or IN HIM all things hold together.
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Correct. So why do you believe the Son does not sustain all things and hold together all things?

For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, “ All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.​
1 Corinthians 15:27 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 15:27&version=NASB

A thread on what is subject to The Son (or not) would be great. Why not start one???
 
Question: Who sustains the existence of all things?

Answer: Jesus
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. (Heb 1:1-4 NKJV)
 
chessman said:
For in Him we live and move and exist, as also some of your poets have said— ‘For we are indeed the One’s offspring’.
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Jim Parker said:
Answer: Jesus
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Are those who are finally judged wicked at the final judgment “in Him”? Are their sins purged?

Or will they perish, their years come to an end, not being “in Him” and all?

And, “ You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands ; They will perish, but You remain; And they all will become old like a garment , And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed . But You are the same , And Your years will not come to an end .”​
Hebrews 1:10-12 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Hebrews 1:10-12&version=NASB

nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’​
Acts 17:25-28 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 17:25-28&version=NASB

Their time of life has been appointed. Is it eternal, just like the body of Christ (the church)?

He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—​
Colossians 1:17,21-22 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Colossians 1:17,21-22&version=NASB

Are the lost reconciled in His resurrected body through His death like the saved or is the time appointed for their wages?
 
chessman said:
Correct. So why do you believe the Son does not sustain all things and hold together all things?

For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, “ All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.​
1 Corinthians 15:27 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 15:27&version=NASB

A thread on what is subject to The Son (or not) would be great. Why not start one???
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No thanks. Its clear the Father is not subjected to His Son. And as Jesus stated He was given all authority in Heaven and earth and its clear to me it is the Father who glorifies Jesus.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
 
Randy said:
Its clear the Father is not subjected to His Son
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Yep, that’s what God’s Word says. It also says The Son is upholding all things by the word of His power. Therefore, do you believe The Son upholds The Father?

Since God’s Word also says all things have existence in The Son Himself, why would you not believe The Father has existence in The Son?

It is clear The Father has a Son, else He wouldn’t be a father, right?
 
chessman said:
Yep, that’s what God’s Word says. It also says The Son is upholding all things by the word of His power. Therefore, do you believe The Son upholds The Father?

Since God’s Word also says all things have existence in The Son Himself, why would you not believe The Father has existence in The Son?

It is clear The Father has a Son, else He wouldn’t be a father, right?
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I think Jesus's source is the Father not the other way around. Jesus does not sustain the Father. Jesus does bring glory to the Father. And Jesus has a Father or He wouldn't be a Son. Right? And if He isn't the Fathers Son then whose Son is He?
 
Randy said:
Yes, well I believe in that relationship.
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Do you believe that relationship has and will always be true, from eternity past and forever future?

“You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me. “I, even I, am the Lord, And there is no savior besides Me. “It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “And I am God. “Even from eternity I am He, And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?”​
Isaiah 43:10-13 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Isaiah 43:10-13&version=NASB
 
chessman said:
Do you believe that relationship has and will always be true, from eternity past and forever future?

“You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me. “I, even I, am the Lord, And there is no savior besides Me. “It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “And I am God. “Even from eternity I am He, And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?”​
Isaiah 43:10-13 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Isaiah 43:10-13&version=NASB
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Yes, I believe the Father Son relationship will always be true.
 
chessman said:
That’s only a half answer. Do you believe the Father Son relationship WAS always true?
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The relationship is Father and Son.
Note the word Son - Jesus has always been and ever shall be the Son.

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

One day the Son will roll up the heavens like a scroll. For He has no end. He never dies.
They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end."
 
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