ezra
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and this is what has been said all along
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Bible Study The 3 Baptisms
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I agree as salvation comes by God's grace, Ephesians 2:8, the moment we hear and receive His word as we believe and confess Christ as Lord and Savior. John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.
Just as salvation comes by hearing the Gospel (word) being preached to us first like Jesus taught Nicodemus about being Spiritually born again by the word (living water that is Christ) Jesus spoke to him and the Spirit in order to enter the kingdom of God. Baptism in water has nothing to do with our salvation, but is an outward appearance to others that we have repented and accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior. The day we believed and confessed Christ we also received the promise of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is why I believe the word water means the word of God and not actual water.
It's all about the word that is the Gospel of God's grace that we are saved, Ephesians 2:8-10, and not by works. We can't work for our salvation as it is a free gift from God as we believe through faith that is Christ Jesus. Water can not save us, but only by God's grace the moment we believe His word and confess Christ as Lord and Savior.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. (Notice it only says baptized as we can only speculate whether it was in water or for receiving the Holy Spirit at that time of their belief.
LovethroughDove
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I agree.
Ephesians 5:26-27 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
ezra
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got to hear the word first which is quick and powerful sharper than a two edged sword .it cuts the flesh penetrates the sin in our heart
ezra
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lol your agreeing with me
I don’t know.
He just said “WAS not baptized”.
Are you saying it is not necessary for a person to be baptised into Christ by the Holy Spirit to be saved?
JLB
Water baptism is one of the three baptism’s that need to be fulfilled in each believers life.
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Acts 10:44-48
Water baptism continued to be practiced by the apostles some 10 years after Pentecost.
JLB
LovethroughDove
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That's too funny. I just realized she was agreeing with you and I was agreeing with her. So, I was agreeing with you.
LovethroughDove
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ezra
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i hate to ask this question but i will are you serious??????????????????? read real close please not going to keep repeating ..each time i do for some reason it gets more complicated .. WATER H20 BAPTISM DOES NOT SAVE ANYONE. THE THIEF ON THE CROSS WAS NOT BAPTIZED... but yet went to paradise with Christ. go back and re read all my post nothing has changed Baptism follows salvation { He just said “WAS not baptized”.} the thief on the cross ..read all my post please
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LovethroughDove
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I was actually thinking about the thief on the cross also.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Notice John says I baptize with water for the remission of sin. John's baptism was done unto repentance only as those who came to him repented first and then dunked in water. It had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit never indwelled anyone until the day of Pentecost as Jesus ascended up and the Holy Spirit was sent down to indwell those who had already repented and were baptized unto repentance only.
It is Jesus who baptizes us with the Holy Spirit and fire as He did in the upper room.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
This is what water baptism is all about on this side of the cross as being an outward appearance to others of what Jesus commanded us to do as being buried with Him and being risen through faith, Colossians 3:1-4. Jesus never baptized anyone in water even though many claim in John 3:22 that He did. How could Jesus baptize anyone in water when He had not died yet nor risen from His grave. The baptism of John was only for the remission of ones sin after they repented first. Jesus only baptizes one in the Holy Spirit an fire after His ascending up to heaven.
Jesus not only baptizes us with the Holy Spirit, but Holy Spirit and fire. Fire means power and boldness as the Holy Spirit empowers us. It's God's power and authority given to us through His grace.
There is the case of the thief on the cross who repented, the women who was to be stoned for adultery, the women at the well, death bed confessions and even those who are incapacitated that can not be immersed in water. Does this mean they are not saved or born again, no. It means that no dirty river water is going to save anyone.
Notice John says I baptize with water for the remission of sin. John's baptism was done unto repentance only as those who came to him repented first and then dunked in water. It had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit never indwelled anyone until the day of Pentecost as Jesus ascended up and the Holy Spirit was sent down to indwell those who had already repented and were baptized unto repentance only.
It is Jesus who baptizes us with the Holy Spirit and fire as He did in the upper room.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
This is what water baptism is all about on this side of the cross as being an outward appearance to others of what Jesus commanded us to do as being buried with Him and being risen through faith, Colossians 3:1-4. Jesus never baptized anyone in water even though many claim in John 3:22 that He did. How could Jesus baptize anyone in water when He had not died yet nor risen from His grave. The baptism of John was only for the remission of ones sin after they repented first. Jesus only baptizes one in the Holy Spirit an fire after His ascending up to heaven.
Jesus not only baptizes us with the Holy Spirit, but Holy Spirit and fire. Fire means power and boldness as the Holy Spirit empowers us. It's God's power and authority given to us through His grace.
There is the case of the thief on the cross who repented, the women who was to be stoned for adultery, the women at the well, death bed confessions and even those who are incapacitated that can not be immersed in water. Does this mean they are not saved or born again, no. It means that no dirty river water is going to save anyone.
Jim Parker
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Was it possible for the thief on the cross to be baptized?
No. it was not.
So, if someone believes in Christ but they are nailed to a cross (or it is otherwise impossible for them to be baptized before they die) they don't have to be baptized to enter the kingdom of heaven.
(Because God is not a jerk who would say, "You didn't get baptized so you go to hell!" to the thief on the cross.)
So, unless a person is nailed to a cross (or similar impediment to baptism) they need to be baptized.
Jim Parker
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Jesus COMMANDED that ALL disciples (that's every last believer) be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
ezra
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darn it jim give it a rest your by far the expert theologian in the forum its a discussion not some class you think your teaching . sorry to be this way .
Jim Parker
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ok sorrydarn it jim give it a rest your by far the expert theologian in the forum its a discussion not some class you think your teaching . sorry to be this way .
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it.
To say one is wrong would make yourself all knowing. That is not a title I want to hold. This is a discussion among the brethren for what is already written. Just because one does not agree with another doesn't make them superior over them, it's only what they believe. You say I have error in what I present. I say you are not seeing scripture for what it reads. So, who is right and who is wrong. Let all come into their understanding by how or possibly who teaches them as at times it takes more than a single verse to bring light to one verse.
You may not realize it, but you're contradicting yourself by what you told Ezra in post #93, "So, unless a person is nailed to a cross (or similar impediment to baptism) they need to be baptized." with what you said here (that's every last believer).
Jim Parker
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That is not my opinion.
That's what the Jesus said.
Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying,
“All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to obey all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”