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Answered already.Could you please answer your own question, so we can know where you stand?
#2 is what Jesus said. “This is the work of God: that you be believing in the One Whom that One sent-forth”.
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Answered already.Could you please answer your own question, so we can know where you stand?
#2 is what Jesus said. “This is the work of God: that you be believing in the One Whom that One sent-forth”.
What is a ritual?Maybe to some, but that’s not the Biblical (or English) meaning of a “ritual”.
I heard a statistic the other day that’s related, I think. How many times (on average) would you guess that a Southern Baptist Church member in the US gets baptized?
How sad. Seems like we went from one extreme to the other.True today as well. But then cofessing “Jesus is Lord” with your mouth could and did get people’s hands and feet nailed to a cross. Whereas now it gets you laughed at in the USA and thrown in jail in China and other countries.
The above post is for JLB....Answered already.
Good point John. Never thought of this.Speaking in the Ancient Near East was not a "work". It was talking.
Works were productive activities that produced results. (Farming, acts of kindness, and granting permission to others)
Works can best be described as a reaction to belief that reflects the gratitude of the believer.
Answered already.
Now a question:
According to Jesus, is believing in Christ a work of:
1. Man
2. God
3. The Devil
4. None of the above
5. 1 and 2
The above post is for JLB....
I just want to say, that, yes, if your answer is no. 2, GOD, then yes, the idea is calvin-istic.
You might be one,,,I don't know. This would explain your choice. Otherwise - if you're not - could you explain why you believe it to be no. 2?
Good point John. Never thought of this.
A work produces a result.
It could even produce a QUIET result...for instance, if someone is arguing with you and you just remain quiet because it's not worth it - the result from this "work" is that there is no further argument and it ends.
I agree.Here is my answer from post 21, with an explanation.
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” John 6:29
1. Man
Believing/obeying is the work of man.
Man needs God’s Grace to believe/obey, but it is nevertheless up to man whether to believe or not.
JLB
I agree.
I THINK chessman chose no. 2,,,GOD...
See my post no. 45.
He can believe this, of course, if he so chooses to believe in the U of the acronym TULIP.
Otherwise, there IS a misunderstanding of that verse...
John 6:29
Because that’s what Jesus says.if you're not - could you explain why you believe it to be no. 2?
I do know that the first bulbs wouldn't work because they kept burning out,,exploding; whatever.We measure electricity in volt/amps or watts. Watts are explained as a measure of work... which includes refridgeration (the removal of heat) as well as producing heat.
Motors are rated in horsepower... which is a number of watts.
Voltage is pressure and amps is volume while imaginating a water hose. Filling a bucket requires work...both things together.
Potential difference (required for current flow) is not watts and there is no formula to make the two equate.
Just one of those things I learned as an electrician.
Please join us JLB.....Because that’s what Jesus says.
Jesus responded and said to them, “This is the work of God: that you be believing in the One Whom that One sent-forth”.John 6:29 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 6:29&version=DLNT
I believe Jesus.
Please join us JLB.....
Chessman believes the answer to be no. 2.....GOD.
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Chessman, it cannot be no. 2....
Why?
Because this is not what Jesus said !!
I explained in my post above and will not explain again.
God does not MAKE us believe...If this is the case, then He is a calvinistic God.
God has works.
Jesus has works.
Holy Spirit has works.
One of the works is NOT to MAKE us believe.
This is Christianity 101 UNLESS you believe John Calvin's theology.
Could you get some support please for your POV?
Maybe a commentary....
I do believe that chessman has the perfect opportunity to make his position very clear.I would like a good honest discussion.
He should be truthful enough to just answer the question the way he has asked us to.
Just like I answered.
That way I don’t have to assume what his answer is.
I get the idea he doesn’t really know what he believes, either that or he knows but is just too ashamed of his answer.
JLB
Sure. Jesus said the following:Could you get some support please for your POV?
This is what I've noticed Chessman...Sure. Jesus said the following:
Jesus responded and said to them, “This is the work of God: that you be believing in the One Whom that One sent-forth”.John 6:29 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 6:29&version=DLNT
When asked; Who’s work is it that I am believing in Christ? I’m gonna answer it’s God’s work every time.
#1 Like the Text says, they were there asking this question so that they could fill their bellies with more of this bread (natural, regular ole bread) Jesus miraculously gave them as a sign the day before. This is the same crowd Jesus had just feed with bread the day before. They KNEW He had the ability to work miracles (i.e. “the works of God”). They’d just seen it happen with their own eyes and filled their bellies with this bread and rather selfishly wanted that same ability (Jesus says so, not me).In John 6:28 the people ask Jesus:
What shall we do that we may work the works of God...
What does this mean?
1. Are you saying that they want to know how they could do the same works that God does????
2. Or do you think they're saying that they would like to do the works OF God in the sense of doing works God would like them to do?