Bible Study Why would the Apostle Paul say such a thing?

[jasonc]

Without the message of the Cross preached (Christ Crucified- the gospel) there is no power to get saved. Because the POWER IS IN THE CROSS. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. In other words the Holy Spirit will move on people to get saved, healing takes place, needs are met, and so much more. Without Christ Crucified peached, Christian will remain in bondage.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Notice what Jesus said: He said this message must be preached! He did not say lay hand on them, but preach!

you didnt really read what i said. FEW actually go out and tell the lost , let alone preach the Gospel. few churches that do that today and that is why they are closing. i figured to say that in a short sentence it would be known.

how is it that in america and the west, few churches are gaining souls, sin abounds and gays are accepted and the churches abandoned the faith that they once held?

 

[iLOVE]

uh no. if you say you love your wife and dont actually show it, meanign when she old, grey and in need of help you do care you stay with her, you take care of her, you still despite all the storms of marriage that occur, you will have that level of love that is created by staying together that is anything like some movie or book, but legit. that is love but a person who says they love a woman and doesnt care about her by taking care of her in poor health, try to work it out etc isnt in love.

one's relationship with God is very much like this. we grow away from God, we learn the hard way, some times death and cancer and life and Gods allowance of harship, hurt makes us grow and when we do make it throught those trials your maturity is obvious and your depth with God is deeper. this doesnt mean you are more saved, just no longer as shallow.

you love the lost more. you can reach those that are lost and widows, cancer survivors and so forth. works meaning that list of things that you have in galatians that are fruits of the spirit in part.

i am not suggesting we can make our lives more holy we cant. but that we should examine our heart and seek God where we fail to give Him those fruits in our lives and use the bible as the means to examine our life.

a fruit less christian after years in church and and taught properly isnt right. and likely not saved. years of knowing the bible, i have come to the point of where i am off and must change.

Sanctification of the Saint

Do I live by my faith, or do I live by Jesus Christ Faith (Gal. 2:20)

Do I live by my obedience, or do I live by Jesus Christ Obedience?

Do I live by my love, or do I live by Jesus Christ Love?

Do I live by my works, or do I live by Jesus Christ Works at Calvary?

 

[iLOVE]

you didnt really read what i said. FEW actually go out and tell the lost , let alone preach the Gospel. few churches that do that today and that is why they are closing. i figured to say that in a short sentence it would be known.

how is it that in america and the west, few churches are gaining souls, sin abounds and gays are accepted and the churches abandoned the faith that they once held?

How can they when they have only a form of godliness (proclaiming Christ while forsaking the Cross)? You need power to serve the Lord...the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

 

[jasonc]

Sanctification of the Saint

Do I live by my faith, or do I live by Jesus Christ Faith (Gal. 2:20)

Do I live by my obedience, or do I live by Jesus Christ Obedience?

Do I live by my love, or do I live by Jesus Christ Love?

Do I live by my works, or do I live by Jesus Christ Works at Calvary?

that is "works". the ability to and requirement and yes we are given commands to do things.

these are to love each other and some times in church they are people that simply are crude and mean and have hard personalities to like,
to forgive
to be baptized, yes that is a command. to make disciples and baptize them
some are called to be in office.
communion.

to put the things of God above our needs.

these are things we must do. we dont do them to be saved, but because we are saved. i could add the list given in matthew 7 about in the parable of the sheep and the goat. im not saying everyone must visit the prison etc but if the oppurtinity to do those things we should .

 

[iLOVE]

that is "works". the ability to and requirement and yes we are given commands to do things.

these are to love each other and some times in church they are people that simply are crude and mean and have hard personalities to like,
to forgive
to be baptized, yes that is a command. to make disciples and baptize them
some are called to be in office.
communion.

to put the things of God above our needs.

these are things we must do. we dont do them to be saved, but because we are saved. i could add the list given in matthew 7 about in the parable of the sheep and the goat. im not saying everyone must visit the prison etc but if the oppurtinity to do those things we should .

Under the Law (the Law of Moses), the Believer carryout the will of God in their own ability and will power; ALL FAILED EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST. Under Grace, the Holy Spirit carries out the will of God in your life and keeps ALL COMMANDMENTS FOR US THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO DO WITHOUT HIM.

Anything and everything that is not produced and birthed by the Holy Spirit is dead works, rotten fruit, and profitless!

So, again:
Do I live by my faith, or do I live by Jesus Christ Faith (Gal. 2:20)

Do I live by my obedience, or do I live by Jesus Christ Obedience?

Do I live by my love, or do I live by Jesus Christ Love?

Do I live by my works, or do I live by Jesus Christ Works at Calvary?

 

[jasonc]

Under the Law (the Law of Moses), the Believer carryout the will of God in their own ability and will power; ALL FAILED EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST. Under Grace, the Holy Spirit carries out the will of God in your life and keeps ALL COMMANDMENTS FOR US THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO DO WITHOUT HIM.

Anything and everything that is not produced and birthed by the Holy Spirit is dead works, rotten fruit, and profitless!

then you agree that person without any change in his or her life is lost? despite attending church for years, saying a prayer to be saved?

you posted that we must ask God to make us produce fruit and not grieve the Holy Ghost. to make us love our enemies. to enpower us to win souls, to bless us as we do reach the lost. to empower us to aid the poor etc.

sounds like you and jlb do agree.

 

[iLOVE]

then you agree that person without any change in his or her life is lost? despite attending church for years, saying a prayer to be saved?

Jesus said few will be saved (Matthew 7:14). However, the Lord knows who are His.

you posted that we must ask God to make us produce fruit and not grieve the Holy Ghost. to make us love our enemies. to enpower us to win souls, to bless us as we do reach the lost. to empower us to aid the poor etc.

When the Lord sees Christ Crucified written on your heart, this gives the Holy Spirit the legal means to produce and birth this Righteous Fruit automatically

sounds like you and jlb do agree.

He believes in works (LAW). He believes as 99.9999% do - Faith in Christ and Him Crucified is not the answer. Matthew 7:14
.

 

[jasonc]

Jesus said few will be saved (Matthew 7:14). However, the Lord knows who are His.

When the Lord sees Christ Crucified written on your heart, this gives the Holy Spirit the legal means to produce and birth this Righteous Fruit automatically

He believes in works (LAW). He believes as 99.9999% do - Faith in Christ and Him Crucified is not the answer. Matthew 7:14
.

you dont really read what he says.

you imply that all one needs to do is say a prayer. man even my reformed church whose leadership is big on disciple teaches that isnt quite the way. a repentent life turns from sin. he or she must be taught what one is to do. this includes praying, to learn more about God via studying the bible


i came from a cult. in no way would i stay saved if i didnt attend church. God surelly as my church teaches that one is kept by christ but one isnt negated to actually act. you are so caught up in your view in how you word it that you cant see that if one is truly changed, you wont

The word practice is significant.

It underscores his mindset, and perspective.


Sin is one of the words that can be a verb or noun, as well as singular or plural, depending on the context.


A Christian not sin (continue to practice sin) and still be a Christian. A Christian by definition is a person who is
“in Christ”. So a person who continues to keep living in sin, can indeed become separated from Christ; removed from Christ.


This is the definition of sinner. A person who is separated from Christ.


Jesus exhorts us to remain “in Him”.


This same John records His words —


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how John says we must remain “in Christ”:


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24




JLB

even in the reformed circles that is taught. listening to john piper he may say it differently but he does say it.

 

[jasonc]

if it isnt possible to backslide after a simple prayer while would paul even say that we are NOT of them that backslide to perdition?

 

[iLOVE]

you imply that all one needs to do is say a prayer. man even my reformed church whose leadership is big on disciple teaches that isnt quite the way. a repentent life turns from sin. he or she must be taught what one is to do. this includes praying, to learn more about God via studying the bible

While prayer is a must (keep asking, keep seeking, and keep knocking), the answer which you seek is found in the Cross. 1 Cor. 1:17-18

 

[iLOVE]

if it isnt possible to backslide after a simple prayer while would paul even say that we are NOT of them that backslide to perdition?

“39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition (Paul is saying that he is not going to draw back, and that those who do will lose their souls); but of them who believe to the saving of the soul. (Believe in Christ and Him Crucified.)” Hebrews 10:39

JSM

 

[jasonc]

“39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition (Paul is saying that he is not going to draw back, and that those who do will lose their souls); but of them who believe to the saving of the soul. (Believe in Christ and Him Crucified.)” Hebrews 10:39

JSM

yet is saying that is possible.

im not against commentary. as sometimes words are translated well and everyone has a position they are taught or take one and must see if its supportable. yet you often dont read things that you post, when its obvious that your post supported what i say.

paul saying that its possible. a sinner cant draw back into perdition since he is headed that way. drawing back implies a path one at one choose to take and turned away from.

 

[iLOVE]

yet is saying that is possible.

im not against commentary. as sometimes words are translated well and everyone has a position they are taught or take one and must see if its supportable. yet you often dont read things that you post, when its obvious that your post supported what i say.

paul saying that its possible. a sinner cant draw back into perdition since he is headed that way. drawing back implies a path one at one choose to take and turned away from.

Under the Law in the O/T the furthest that a Believer could come with their sacrifice was the Brazen Alter (a type of the Cross). Under the N/T (Grace), the Believer can now enter boldly into the Thrown Room of Grace (the Presence of the Lord because of what the Lamb of God did on the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won). All God requires is that the Believer place and maintain their Faith exclusively in His beloved Son Jesus who loved us and gave Himself for us on the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won.

The problem is man has always tried to replace the Cross with something else. Gal. 5:4
Fight the good fight of faith only. Sin is the problem, and the Church continues to ignore the only solution which is the Cross.

 

[Link1983]

you didnt really read what i said. FEW actually go out and tell the lost , let alone preach the Gospel. few churches that do that today and that is why they are closing. i figured to say that in a short sentence it would be known.

how is it that in america and the west, few churches are gaining souls, sin abounds and gays are accepted and the churches abandoned the faith that they once held?

Because of luke warm or even false Christians (so called) are too plenty!

 

[Link1983]

I believe the cross too be a symbol of learning and teaching the good news!
But I have only read about the power of the name, and in the blood of the lamb.
Scripture on power in the cross?
Shalom!

 

[jaybo]

Christians do not practice sin...we commit acts of sin because we are Born-again (Rom. 5:20-21, 1 John 3:9). The scripture teaches us that the Holy Spirit will cleans us up - line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little....He will not do it all at once.

Not by might, not by power, but with my (Holy) Spirit will I do these things.

However, if the Believer removes himself from Christ (Gal. 1:6), by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross, the sin nature will revive (the works of the flesh - Gal. 5:19-21) and begin to practice sin. The Believer is either operating in The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, or The law of sin and death. Romans 8:2

Grace stops!

Grace never stops. Period.

Why are you going on and on and on and on..?

 

[jaybo]

you didnt really read what i said. FEW actually go out and tell the lost , let alone preach the Gospel. few churches that do that today and that is why they are closing. i figured to say that in a short sentence it would be known.

how is it that in america and the west, few churches are gaining souls, sin abounds and gays are accepted and the churches abandoned the faith that they once held?

What is it with your SINFUL "signature"? You preach about Christian behavior then joke about murder??

 

[jasonc]

and my signature isn't actually a joke its a quote if gen maddis .i served overseas ,the guy you train ti kill the Taliban may be the guy who kills you .

What is it with your SINFUL "signature"? You preach about Christian behavior then joke about murder??

 

[iLOVE]

Giving someone a Scripture without pointing them to the ONLY place that Scripture can bring the Faith they need, which is the Cross of Christ, is what has had the Church held paralyzed for centuries!

Christianity doesn’t work on our terms, but rather God’s, and His terms are the Way of Christ and His Cross!

We March On!

Pastor Curtis

 

[iLOVE]

I believe the cross too be a symbol of learning and teaching the good news!
But I have only read about the power of the name, and in the blood of the lamb.
Scripture on power in the cross?
Shalom!

1 Cor. 1:17-31 KJV