Translation By Faith

[Edward]

What can you tell me about Translation by Faith?

And what's the difference between Translation and transrelocation?

 

[Edward]

God does miraculous things for us like your can of coffee and getting you to work on time. There is not doubt about that as I have seen it in my own life so many times.

It was at the time I had been learning about translation and praying for it, and then I had to get to an appointment not long from now. It fired right up so I left. I knew it was low on gas but my destination wasn't terribly far, so I chanced it cuz it was reeeal important. Then I run out of gas. All I could do was to coast into a conveinance store parking lot and park. I didn't have a gas can, time was short so I started praying and asking God for help I'm sitiing in the driver seat praying and wondering how this is going to turn out and something made me touch the accelrator, and the truck went vrooom! So without hesitation I said out loud, oh yeah? Watch this faith, and I left right then and drove to my appointment and made it on time praising God all the way! then drove home afterwards with no trouble. My son didn't make it one block the next morning when he tried to use the truck, lol.

I sort of liken this testimony to be like Translation even though it may not have been. I guess He could have just caused some gas to appear in my tank?

But I remember how very important that one appointment was for me at the time and how fervently I was praying in the truck about it. So that's why He answered me I think.

So He could have added gas. Or, He could have simply translated me and my truck both if He did not add gas to it! I don't know for sure, but He sure came through me that day!! Praise the Lord for how good He is...and He told us...you have not because you ask not. So...Speak up! Our God is an awesome God!

 

[Whatever]

Enoch & Elijah were Translated because they went to Heaven.

Where are you getting this idea of "translation?"

Genesis 5:24 Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

The Hebrew word took is lâqach. It basically means "to take (in the widest variety of applications) carry away, seize, send for."

2 kings 2:11 As they were going along and talking, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven.

Again, the Hebrew word simply means to ascend or go up.

Phillip was transrelocated because he was transportd from one spot on earth to another spot on earth 40 miles away so that's called Transrelocation.

It might be called that by some cult, but not the Scripture.

Act 8:39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.

The Greek word is harpazō and simply means: to seize (in various applications): - catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).

 

[Edward]

Where are you getting this idea of "translation?"

Genesis 5:24 Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

The Hebrew word took is lâqach. It basically means "to take (in the widest variety of applications) carry away, seize, send for."

2 kings 2:11 As they were going along and talking, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven.

Again, the Hebrew word simply means to ascend or go up.

It might be called that by some cult, but not the Scripture.

Act 8:39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.

The Greek word is harpazō and simply means: to seize (in various applications): - catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).

That's the word used for raptured. Harpazo.

I learned a lot of this throgh a YouTube Pastor named Bruce Allen. He has multiple videos on YT about it. He even has a translation testimony. And he aint no cult! Neither am I Lol. Jesus...

 

[Edward]

What's wrong with people nowadays? Do people only want the old time teachings repeated over and over from when they were young?

No new revelation, God don't do that even if He says He does? He said knowledge will be increased in the last days, so why does everyone reject the teachings that are coming out nowadays?

Don't make cracks on Bruce Allen before you even listen to his message.

 

[for_his_glory]

It was at the time I had been learning about translation and praying for it, and then I had to get to an appointment not long from now. It fired right up so I left. I knew it was low on gas but my destination wasn't terribly far, so I chanced it cuz it was reeeal important. Then I run out of gas. All I could do was to coast into a conveinance store parking lot and park. I didn't have a gas can, time was short so I started praying and asking God for help I'm sitiing in the driver seat praying and wondering how this is going to turn out and something made me touch the accelrator, and the truck went vrooom! So without hesitation I said out loud, oh yeah? Watch this faith, and I left right then and drove to my appointment and made it on time praising God all the way! then drove home afterwards with no trouble. My son didn't make it one block the next morning when he tried to use the truck, lol.

I sort of liken this testimony to be like Translation even though it may not have been. I guess He could have just caused some gas to appear in my tank?

But I remember how very important that one appointment was for me at the time and how fervently I was praying in the truck about it. So that's why He answered me I think.

So He could have added gas. Or, He could have simply translated me and my truck both if He did not add gas to it! I don't know for sure, but He sure came through me that day!! Praise the Lord for how good He is...and He told us...you have not because you ask not. So...Speak up! Our God is an awesome God!

God will always make a way where there seems to be no way as long as we have faith in Him. But not sure if translate is the right word to use as it only means translation of words within languages. Transfer would may be a better word.

 

[Edward]

Where are you getting this idea of "translation?"

Here's where a big portion of it comes from. Have your Bible ready cuz he uses it.

He's not the only Pastor talking about this stuff, there's plenty more. He touches on cults or new age in this one too a little. It's a good message and very informative.

 

[Edward]

God will always make a way where there seems to be no way as long as we have faith in Him. But not sure if translate is the right word to use as it only means translation of words within languages. Transfer would may be a better word.

You might be right. Transfer is a good term for it I think.

Translation, transfer, rapture, all means the same for our discussion. You should watch that Bruce Allen video on School of Translation. It's very good.

 

[Edward]

Here's a shorter video of the same Pastor on It's Supernatural. He has a coule real good testimonies.

 

[Edward]

It might be called that by some cult, but not the Scripture.

So you don't believe that people have been translated and taken to other places?

Do you believe in the spiritual realm? We can use whatever term for it you are comfortable with. It's not that it's new age lies, more like, what scripture says

Do you not think Enoch was translated (seized, taken up, ascended, lol)? Then what really happened?

Then where did Enoch go? It says, Enoch was and then he was not, for God took him.

Was not means, no one can find him! He was gone, in Heaven.

 

[for_his_glory]

Here's a shorter video of the same Pastor on It's Supernatural. He has a coule real good testimonies.

Check it out tomorrow when I have more time.

 

[for_his_glory]

So you don't believe that people have been translated and taken to other places?

Do you believe in the spiritual realm? We can use whatever term for it you are comfortable with. It's not that it's new age lies, more like, what scripture says

Do you not think Enoch was translated (seized, taken up, ascended, lol)? Then what really happened?

Then where did Enoch go? It says, Enoch was and then he was not, for God took him.

Was not means, no one can find him! He was gone, in Heaven.

Elijah was was caught up in a whirlwind and only taken up to the first heaven and never found, but several years later he wrote a letter to Jehoram, 2Chronicles 12:12-15.

 

[Edward]

Elijah was was caught up in a whirlwind and only taken up to the first heaven and never found, but several years later he wrote a letter to Jehoram, 2Chronicles 12:12-15.

That passage doesnt talk about Elijah, it talks about King Rehoboam. Nothing about a letter from Elijah. ??

Elijah only went up into the atmosphere of earth? That dont sound right. That's where our enemy resides. Why would God take him and drop him off with the enemy?

Ephesians 6:
12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.../

The enemy is certainly not in the third Heaven, so they have to be confined to the air and probably space too. They prolly do have a base on the moon. Scripture also call the enemy the prince of the power of the air.

So I can't wrap my mind around Elijah being taken up to where the enemy dwells. That's not God's style!
I suggest reconsidering your interp of John 3:13

John 3:13
13 No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man[e] has come down from heaven.../NLT

It does not say, no one can go to Heaven period. It says, and returned. So we can't just dismiss and returned! It means something or would not be there. But Jesus came down from Heaven! Which tells us what we need to know. Jesus really did come. It's then a small step of understanding to grasp that, Elijah really did go.

Elijah might not have been Translated to Heaven, but you gotta admit, a Chariot of Fire is pretty classy!!
Jesus sent one of His Taxi's to pick Elijah up!

God wouldn't send a ride for the man just to drop him off somewhere. That's not how God rolls, lol.

 

[Edward]

Can we unpack this verse a little bit?

Ephesians 6:12
12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.../

Ok so the prince of the power of the air is with his evil spirits in the heavenly places?

What heavenly places? To my knowledge there is three of them, 1st heaven, 2nd heaven, and the 3rd heaven. They got booted out of the third Heaven, so they aren't there.

So where do you suppose they are? Outer Space? Bases on different planets? And if so, riddle me this...why would God drop Elijah or Enoch off on mars or something? That does not compute for me. If Elijah were taken to the 1st heaven...he is flying around in the air since then? That can't be right.

 

[Edward]

Oh, I found it, you had a typo and wrote 2 Chronicles 12:12. It is 2nd Chronicles 21:12

Today, we are used to having dates of important events clarified. This, however, is not how the Bible is written. Some biblical writers included historical references, such as what king was reigning, and we can use those hints to determine approximate dates, but the Bible rarely goes into specific detail about exactly when events took place. We are used to historical accounts being written in strict chronological order, but, in the Bible, historical events are sometimes grouped thematically, with no real concern for chronology. If we follow the chronology based on the order the events as presented in 2 Kings and 2 Chronicles, here is what led up to Elijah’s letter to Jehoram:

1. Jehoram is anointed king of Judah (2 Kings 1:17), ruling with his father, Jehoshaphat, for the final 5 or 6 years of his father’s reign.

2. Elijah is translated to heaven (2 Kings 2:1–18).

3. Jehoshaphat, advised by Elisha, teams with the king of Israel in a fight against Moab (2 Kings 3).

4. Jehoshaphat dies, leaving Jehoram to rule alone (2 Chronicles 21:1).

5. Jehoram murders all his brothers (2 Chronicles 21:4) and builds idolatrous high places in Judah (verse 11).

6. Jehoram receives a letter from Elijah that details his judgment (2 Chronicles 21:12–15).

According to the above chronology, Elijah was taken from this world during the joint reign of Jehoshaphat and Jehoram. The question then becomes, how did Elijah send a letter to Jehoram about the evil the king did, when Elijah was not around during that time?

There are several reasonable explanations for how Elijah’s letter was delivered to King Jehoram seemingly after Elijah’s translation to heaven:

First, it’s possible that the author of 2 Kings did not place the account of Elijah’s translation to heaven in chronological order with the surrounding chapters. Elijah could have still been serving as prophet until much later in the reign of Jehoram.

Another possibility is that Elijah wrote the letter to Jehoram before his departure to heaven and left it for Elisha or someone else to deliver. Elijah was a prophet, after all. God could easily have given him the words to write ahead of time.

Another possibility is that, before his translation to heaven, Elijah told Elisha what Jehoram would do and what God’s judgment would be. When the time came, Elisha wrote out Elijah’s prophecy and delivered it to King Jehoram.

So there is lots of ways that Elijah could have got a letter to Jehorham. Even if he was in Heaven, the Lord got a letter to you too, didn't He? (your Bible), so why couldn't He get a letter to the King also? He can.

I got money from Heaven before. Remember my testimony of the Angel who came to my garage sale? Kept asking how much do you need? Talked himself up from 1900 dollars to 2400 dollars for a bunch of junk, lol? Ok, not pure junk if there was women in the house, but there wasn't so it was junk to me. So If God can send me money, then He can send letters to earth also, lol.

 

[Edward]

Elijah was was caught up in a whirlwind and only taken up to the first heaven and never found, but several years later he wrote a letter to Jehoram, 2Chronicles 12:12-15.

Maybe the letter was symbolic? Lol! Seriously,

The letter may have been started by Elijah and entrusted to Elisha to finish or entirely written by Elisha, who was alive and on earth during the full reign of King Jehoram of Judah. As we read in 2 Kings 2:15, it is said of Elisha that the spirit of Elijah rested on him. So Elisha, writing in the spirit of Elijah, was aware of the murderous treachery of Jehoram of Judah and also his swift decline into idolatry, and the letter was attributed to Elijah. Interestingly, we are also told in Scripture that another person came “in the spirit of Elijah”: John the Baptist (Luke 1:17). And even though John the Baptist denied that he was Elijah (John 1:21), Jesus told his disciples that John, because he came in the same spirit, was Elijah (Matthew 7:12–13). Likewise, Elisha could have been described as Elijah since he had the same spirit (jealous for the Word and worship of God and bold in his denunciation of false worship). Isn't Elisha the one who asked for a double portion of the spirit of Elijah? This is entirely possible.

 

[Whatever]

So you don't believe that people have been translated and taken to other places?

It is your big words translated and transrelocation.

Do you believe in the spiritual realm?

Of course.

It's not that it's new age lies, more like, what scripture says

And the Scripture uses words like "took him" and "went up"

Do you not think Enoch was translated (seized, taken up, ascended, lol)? Then what really happened?

The passage says nothing about being taken up. It just says the Lord took him.
Gen 5:24 Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.

Here's the Good News Translation
24 He spent his life in fellowship with God, and then he disappeared, because God took him away.

The Message translation
24 Enoch walked steadily with God. And then one day he was simply gone: God took him.

These versions bring out the "he was not." He was simply gone." It doesn't say "he flew up in the air."

Then where did Enoch go? It says, Enoch was and then he was not, for God took him

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

I would guess Enoch experienced the same thing Paul is talking about at the second coming.

1Co 15:50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.

Enoch didn't die, but was changed in the twinkling of an eye. Like those still alive at Christ's coming.

Was not means, no one can find him! He was gone, in Heaven.

Where is Heaven? It could just be a different dimension occupying the same space. In other words, Enoch just changed dimensions without moving.

 

[Edward]

It is your big words translated and transrelocation.

In Hebrews 11:5 KJV it uses Translated.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.../KJV

But the eords generally mean the same thing.Translated is Rapture is taken up and so forth.

The new terms transrelocation is how the modern Pastors are differentiating between taken up to another spot on earth, and taken up to Heaven. That's all.

The passage says nothing about being taken up. It just says the Lord took him.
Gen 5:24 Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.

Ok so where did God take him? If he took Enoch to another location on earth, why didn't they say so? In Acts 8 when Philip gets reloacted to a different town, it says so.

39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away. The eunuch never saw him again but went on his way rejoicing. 40 Meanwhile, Philip found himself farther north at the town of Azotus. He preached the Good News there and in every town along the way until he came to Caesarea.../

Philip got snatched, and he found himself about 40 miles away in a different town. snatched up is Translated.

Here's the Good News Translation
24 He spent his life in fellowship with God, and then he disappeared, because God took him away.

The Message translation
24 Enoch walked steadily with God. And then one day he was simply gone: God took him.

These versions bring out the "he was not." He was simply gone." It doesn't say "he flew up in the air."

I thought you do believe in the spiritual realm? The spiritual realm is a higher realm than our natural realm. It is spead out over the earth One does not have to fly up into the air to reach Heaven or the spiritual realm. It's a higher reality, but in a different dimension so we can't see it. (Unless we're walking with God). Nevertheless, that's fine. he disappeard. He was simply gone. Ok...Disappeared to where? He was gone...to where?

People do get Translated. The Lord wants His people to know of and be able to use this gift, which will be providing a way out of Dodge when the house is surrounded because you didn't take the mark and they are about to come in. . I have heard maybe 12-15 good Translation testimonies. Different people. but many of them got translated way more than one time. Here is a very credible witness of being Translated. It's long but they have a lot to say!

Thes Brothers and Sisters are old and soft spoken so it's better to turn on the captioning. Awesome witness of the supernatural! Both of them.

 

[for_his_glory]

That passage doesnt talk about Elijah, it talks about King Rehoboam. Nothing about a letter from Elijah. ??

Elijah only went up into the atmosphere of earth? That dont sound right. That's where our enemy resides. Why would God take him and drop him off with the enemy?

Ephesians 6:
12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.../

The enemy is certainly not in the third Heaven, so they have to be confined to the air and probably space too. They prolly do have a base on the moon. Scripture also call the enemy the prince of the power of the air.

So I can't wrap my mind around Elijah being taken up to where the enemy dwells. That's not God's style!
I suggest reconsidering your interp of John 3:13

John 3:13
13 No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man[e] has come down from heaven.../NLT

It does not say, no one can go to Heaven period. It says, and returned. So we can't just dismiss and returned! It means something or would not be there. But Jesus came down from Heaven! Which tells us what we need to know. Jesus really did come. It's then a small step of understanding to grasp that, Elijah really did go.

Elijah might not have been Translated to Heaven, but you gotta admit, a Chariot of Fire is pretty classy!!
Jesus sent one of His Taxi's to pick Elijah up!

God wouldn't send a ride for the man just to drop him off somewhere. That's not how God rolls, lol.

Oops my bad. It's in 2Chronicles 21:11-15.

Elijah, having ascended into the air (First heaven) by a whirlwind was carried away out of sight beyond the horizon. No one knows where God carried him to as he was never found, but yet a few years later he wrote a letter to Jehoram.

 

[Edward]

Oops my bad. It's in 2Chronicles 21:11-15.

Elijah, having ascended into the air (First heaven) by a whirlwind was carried away out of sight beyond the horizon. No one knows where God carried him to as he was never found, but yet a few years later he wrote a letter to Jehoram.

I answered this is Post #34

He didn't have to be on earth to send a letter.

 

[Hopeful]

No it's more than that. I will not see the 2nd death but God hasn't "taken" me anywhere. But Enoch was Pleasing to God (It says that), so He took him.

Do you think it is possible for a man to be born on earth and never die in the flesh, and go to Heaven or not die the 2nd death either?

Our God is a God of the living.
He can do anything with anyone.