What is The Baptism that saves us now?

[Cooper]

It’s has been said that “Faith alone” one act of faith or the sinners prayer saves in the first moment you believe and this verse rom 13:11 seems to contradict faith alone like 1 cor 13:2 & 1 cor 13:13 Phil 1:29
I’ll be happy to send you all the verses that prove faith and baptism
Start with Mk 16:16
Thanks

I will simply offer these. I have just been diagnosed with vestibular meningitis and am not feeling well. Sorry.

Luk_7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luk_18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

I think it needs to be an ongoing faith, otherwise, we could be said to be backsliders?
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[Cooper]

Scripture doesn't say it, but it is there for those who have eyes to see it. The thief that was crucified beside Jesus wasn't baptized, so do you think He was not saved because of no baptism? Jesus said He would.

So baptism or no baptizm will not keep anyone out of Heaven on it's own. Is Baptism better than no Baptism? Of course it is! It is at least, your statement to the world that....Christ Jesus is my God and Savior. It is a light unto the world of hope. So let your light shine before men.

1. The thief on the cross was not baptized, yet he was assured of being in Paradise with Christ (Luk_23:43).
2. The Gentiles in Caesarea were baptized after they were saved (Act_10:44-48).
3. Jesus Himself did not baptize (Joh_4:1-2)—a strange omission if baptism were necessary for salvation.
4. Paul thanked God that he baptized very few of the Corinthians (1Co_1:14-16)—an impossible thanksgiving if baptism were essential for salvation.
5. Baptism is connected with the death and burial of the old man not with spiritual birth.

From an earlier post.

 

[donadams]

Scripture doesn't say it, but it is there for those who have eyes to see it. The thief that was crucified beside Jesus wasn't baptized, so do you think He was not saved because of no baptism? Jesus said He would.

So baptism or no baptizm will not keep anyone out of Heaven on it's own. Is Baptism better than no Baptism? Of course it is! It is at least, your statement to the world that....Christ Jesus is my God and Savior. It is a light unto the world of hope. So let your light shine before men.

How do we know he was not baptized?
Thief at the cross:
Only repentance was required before the new covenant was in effect, example John the Baptist had the baptism of repentance, and the new covenant was not in effect till the death of the savior heb 9:17
Thanks

 

[donadams]

I will simply offer these. I have just been diagnosed with vestibular meningitis and am not feeling well. Sorry.

Luk_7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luk_18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

I think it needs to be an ongoing faith, otherwise, we could be said to be backsliders?
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True? Hope you’re better soon!
Jesus for example Jn 3:16 believes is present tense do we must believe till death Matt 24:13

Eph 2 refers to redemption not justification or salvation
But indicates baptism in vs 1 & 5 quickend us or brought us to life

Again baptim is included in Christian faith revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by HMC Matt 28:19

 

[Mungo]

Cooper
You are just recycling arguments that have already been answered
For example:

2. The Gentiles in Caesarea were baptized after they were saved (Act_10:44-48).

Answered in post #56

3. Jesus Himself did not baptize (Joh_4:1-2)—a strange omission if baptism were necessary for salvation.

Answered in post #57

4. Paul thanked God that he baptized very few of the Corinthians (1Co_1:14-16)—an impossible thanksgiving if baptism were essential for salvation.

This has nothing to do with Paul regretting baptism. Those that use this argument ignore the previous three verses (11-13) where he has just been telling the Corinthians off for their factions and slogans “For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there are quarrels among you, my brothers and sisters. What I mean is that each of you says, ‘I belong to Paul,’ or ‘I belong to Apollos,’ or ‘I belong to Cephas,’ or ‘I belong to Christ.’ Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptised in the name of Paul?” He is just making the point that as he personally baptised so few they cannot say they were baptised in his name.

5. Baptism is connected with the death and burial of the old man not with spiritual birth.

You missed out the point about being raised with him
You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. (Col 2:12)

Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-4)

 

[Cooper]

True? Hope you’re better soon!
Jesus for example Jn 3:16 believes is present tense do we must believe till death Matt 24:13

Eph 2 refers to redemption not justification or salvation
But indicates baptism in vs 1 & 5 quickend us or brought us to life

Again baptim is included in Christian faith revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by HMC Matt 28:19

Never will be better.
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[JackrabbitSlim]

Baptism is not FOR salvation, but, BECAUSE of salvation.

 

[jerry63935]

Baptism is not FOR salvation, but, BECAUSE of salvation.

amen

 

[Mungo]

Baptism is not FOR salvation, but, BECAUSE of salvation.

That's not what scripture says
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mt 16:16)
Peter, after referring to 8 people being saved through water says "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you" (1Pet 3:21)
And from my previous post
You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. (Col 2:12)
Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-4)

What scripture do you have to support your claim?

 

[JackrabbitSlim]

What scripture do you have to support your claim?

You misunderstand. I am not here to debate, argue, or, try to change anyone's minds. Nor am I here to show off biblical prowess. Such things only breed discord and hostilities amongst believers.

 

[Mungo]

You misunderstand. I am not here to debate, argue, or, try to change anyone's minds. Nor am I here to show off biblical prowess. Such things only breed discord and hostilities amongst believers.

So what are you here for?
Just to lob in your personal opinions?

 

[JackrabbitSlim]

So what are you here for?
Just to lob in your personal opinions?

Grace and Peace to you.

 

[donadams]

Baptism is not FOR salvation, but, BECAUSE of salvation.

Please explain Mk 16:16

 

[DJT_47]

One Lord one faith one baptism. Water baptism.

Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[jaybo]

One Lord one faith one baptism. Water baptism.

Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

One Lord, one faith -- ideally -- and two baptisms: in water and the Holy Spirit.

BTW, if you read Acts 2, it begins with "When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly from heaven there came a sound like the rush of a violent wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 Divided tongues, as of fire, appeared among them, and a tongue rested on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them ability." So I ask you, why did Peter say that they would receive the Holy Spirit when they had already received it?

 

[DJT_47]

One Lord, one faith -- ideally -- and two baptisms: in water and the Holy Spirit.

BTW, if you read Acts 2, it begins with "When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly from heaven there came a sound like the rush of a violent wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 Divided tongues, as of fire, appeared among them, and a tongue rested on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave them ability." So I ask you, why did Peter say that they would receive the Holy Spirit when they had already received it?

What you are missing in the day of Pentecost that you referred to is who the Holy Ghost fell on, why, or the origin of that occurrence.
First of all, there it fell on the apostles in a miraculous fashion. For the origin, one must go back to what John the Baptist said as recorded in Luke 3:16, (baptsm with fire), and what Jesus told the apostles as recorded in Luke 24:49; to tarry in Jerusalem until they received power from on high. This is what occurred in Acts 2. The apostles received the power from on high and THEY spoke with tongues as a sign to the Jews as noted in the Acts 2 text, who then believed and were converted also as noted in the text in Acts 2:38-47, and became the church at Jerusalem. The similar thing happened in Acts 10 except the Holy Ghost first fell on the Gentiles as a sign of heavenly approval, and they then were baptized into Christ and became the first of the Gentiles converted in Caesarea and the starting of the church there. Note all other instances of the miraculous gifts via the Holy Ghost was the result of the laying on of the apostle's hands. Acts 2 was the power from on high meant for the apostles.

 

[Cooper]

What you are missing in the day of Pentecost that you referred to is who the Holy Ghost fell on, why, or the origin of that occurrence.
First of all, there it fell on the apostles in a miraculous fashion. For the origin, one must go back to what John the Baptist said as recorded in Luke 3:16, (baptsm with fire), and what Jesus told the apostles as recorded in Luke 24:49; to tarry in Jerusalem until they received power from on high. This is what occurred in Acts 2. The apostles received the power from on high and THEY spoke with tongues as a sign to the Jews as noted in the Acts 2 text, who then believed and were converted also as noted in the text in Acts 2:38-47, and became the church at Jerusalem. The similar thing happened in Acts 10 except the Holy Ghost first fell on the Gentiles as a sign of heavenly approval, and they then were baptized into Christ and became the first of the Gentiles converted in Caesarea and the starting of the church there. Note all other instances of the miraculous gifts via the Holy Ghost was the result of the laying on of the apostle's hands. Acts 2 was the power from on high meant for the apostles.

I hope this helps.

Here in Acts 2:38, we read about Jewish Christians. For them, the order was:
1. Repentance.
2. Water baptism.
3. Reception of the Holy Spirit.

The conversion of Samaritans is recorded in Acts 8:14-17. There we read that the following events occurred:
1. They believed.
2. They were baptized in water.
3. The apostles prayed for them.
4. The apostles laid their hands on them.
5. They received the Holy Spirit.

In Acts 10:44-48 the conversion of Gentiles is in view. Notice the order here:
1. Faith.
2. The indwelling of Christ. (Revelation 3:20).
3. Water baptism.
(The gifts of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, healing, prophesy etc. are given later to those who seek them)

Acts 19:1-7 A group of believers in Ephesus.
1. They believed.
2. They were rebaptized in water.
3. The Apostle Paul laid his hands on them.
4. They received the Holy Spirit.

"Does this mean there were four ways of salvation in the Book of Acts? Of course not. Salvation was, is, and always will be on the basis of faith in the Lord. But during the transition period recorded in Acts, God chose to vary the events connected with the reception of the Holy Spirit for reasons He knew but did not choose to reveal to us." (Believers Bible)
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[Consecrated Life]

I hope this helps.

Here in Act_2:38 we read about Jewish Christians. For them, the order was:
1. Repentance.
2. Water baptism.
3. Reception of the Holy Spirit.

The conversion of Samaritans is recorded in Act_8:14-17. There we read that the following events occurred:
1. They believed.
2. They were baptized in water.
3. The apostles prayed for them.
4. The apostles laid their hands on them.
5. They received the Holy Spirit.

In Act_10:44-48 the conversion of Gentiles is in view. Notice the order here:
1. Faith.
2. Reception of the Holy Spirit.
3. Water baptism.

A final community of believers is made up of disciples of John the Baptist, Act_19:1-7 :
1. They believed.
2. They were rebaptized.
3. The Apostle Paul laid his hands on them.
4. They received the Holy Spirit.

Does this mean there were four ways of salvation in the Book of Acts? Of course not. Salvation was, is, and always will be on the basis of faith in the Lord. But during the transition period recorded in Acts, God chose to vary the events connected with the reception of the Holy Spirit for reasons which He knew but did not choose to reveal to us.

(Believers Bible)

So what is written concerning the eternal fate of those who only believe in their heart Christ died to save them , & earnestly repent of their sins ?

 

[Cooper]

So what is written concerning the eternal fate of those who only believe in their heart Christ died to save them , & earnestly repent of their sins ?

Acts 16:31 Believe I the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

They are what are known as nominal Christians, and they will be fine. They believe in, and accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. I felt as though I wanted to go all the way by making a public declaration of my faith and going through the waters of baptism. Later I sought the gifts of the Holy Spirit, one of which, if I remember correctly, is wisdom, and here I am trying to serve the Lord. May God's blessing rest upon you. Amen.
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[Consecrated Life]

Acts 16:31 Believe I the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

They are what are known as nominal Christians, and they will be fine. They believe in, and accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. I felt as though I wanted to go all the way by making a public declaration of my faith and going through the waters of baptism. Later I sought the gifts of the Holy Spirit, one of which, if I remember correctly, is wisdom, and here I am trying to serve the Lord. May God's blessing rest upon you. Amen.
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Thank You.
Can you name anyone from scripture that you would call a " nominal Christian" ?