What is your purpose?

[jasoncran]

I am not interpreting anything......I believe and accept the Greek word for worship for what it means. It can't mean one thing when applied to God and another when applied to His people.<O</O



That is silly, how can you become someone else? Can you become your father or mother or brother or sister? You can become like another person in the way you act, talk and even look, but you can’t be that person. So the same way you cannot become another person, because that other person is already that person and you are already you. We will not be God but we will be like Him.....we will share His Nature, His life and purpose and even be the physical representation of God…..which means that God will be seen in us.<O</O

i agree with this, only disagree with the idea that we get the worship due to him. we are his agents and can act and do that will via what i mentioned delegation.

that is what i meant by occupy till i come. its done on a small scale when we pray and act on gods unction.

i as a leader will tell a soldier that i trust to do this or that and grant him my authority to do so, if anyone disobeys him they will have to answer to me.

is this what you mean?

 

[Bazz1040]

thus we create, again. that isnt stated anywhere in the bible. and by worship then was david in sin when he recieved worship from bathsheba?

keep in mind that no man can be worshipped according the the ten commandment yet here it is.David was already on his way to execute his intentions, when Abigail met him. When she saw David, she has Ted, lighted off the ass, and fell before David on her face and bowed herself to the ground; and fell at his feet (I sam 25:23,24)

by your definition of what worship is, that my friend is worship.
from (pros) and a probably derivative of (kuon) (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literal or figurative) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore) :- worship.

— Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
Of course the hebrews have a different word there and but the english defintion from the greek is the same. according the use you choose.

therefore according to you david recieved what he cant have worship from a human.

<O</O
Whatever you want to say or believe. There is no law of God or man that says that the truth will be accepted by all or all the time. But you know, when Jesus was being accused of blaspheming, because He said He was the son of God, which means that He was God, He quoted a scripture where God called men gods.

<O</O
John 10:34-36 (ASV)
<SUP>34 </SUP>Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, ye are gods?
<SUP>35 </SUP>If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),
<SUP>36 </SUP>say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
<O</O
Here is the very scripture where God call men gods because they are the sons of God.
<O</O
Psalms 82:6-7 (NKJV)
<SUP>6 </SUP>I said, "You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.
<SUP>7 </SUP>But you shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes."
<O</O

God had declared them gods because they were His children, but because they were unjust and evil in their ways, they die like mortals die. Now you can argue all you want about what God meant, but the fact still remain that God called human beings that were still mortal gods, and that Jesus said the scriptures (God’s word) cannot be broken. How much more would God say that about a human being that have been glorified?<O</O

 

[jasoncran]

<O</O
Whatever you want to say or believe. There is no law of God or man that says that the truth will be accepted by all or all the time. But you know, when Jesus was being accused of blaspheming, because He said He was the son of God, which means that He was God, He quoted a scripture where God called men gods.

<O</O
John 10:34-36 (ASV)
<SUP>34 </SUP>Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, ye are gods?
<SUP>35 </SUP>If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken),
<SUP>36 </SUP>say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
<O</O
Here is the very scripture where God call men gods because they are the sons of God.<O</O
Psalms 82:6-7 (NKJV)
<SUP>6 </SUP>I said, "You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.
<SUP>7 </SUP>But you shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes."
<O</O

God had declared them gods because they were His children, but because they were unjust and evil in their ways, they die like mortals die. Now you can argue all you want about what God meant but the fact still remain that God called human beings that were still mortal gods, and that Jesus said the scriptures (God’s word) cannot be broken.<O</O

well then why does the asb and the kjv call us small case gods if were like him?

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty;
he judgeth among the gods. (note lower case thus lower and lesser)


2 How long will ye judge unjustly,
and accept the persons of the wicked?
Selah.


3 Defend the poor and fatherless:
do justice to the afflicted and needy.


4 Deliver the poor and needy:
rid them out of the hand of the wicked.


5 They know not, neither will they understand;
they walk on in darkness:
all the foundations of the earth are out of course.


6 I have said, Ye are gods; Joh. 10.34
and all of you are children of the Most High.


7 But ye shall die like men,
and fall like one of the princes.


8 Arise, O God, judge the earth:
for thou shalt inherit all nations.




Published by The American Bible Society

 

[jasoncran]

Did Jesus advocate that man could become God in John 10:34?

Did Jesus advocate that man could become God in John 10:34?

Jesus answered a group of Jews and said, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?" (John 10:34). Does this mean that humans can become God? New Agers cite this verse to support their doctrine of the deity of man. Mormons also cite it to support their view that humans can become gods.

There are many reasons this text should not be used to support such an idea.

First, such an interpretation is contrary to the overall context. Jesus in this passage is not speaking to pantheists (who believe that God is everything and everything is God) or polytheists (who believe in many gods). Rather, He is addressing strict Jewish monotheists who believe that only the Creator of the universe is God. So, His statement should not be wrenched out of this monotheistic context and given a pantheistic or polytheistic twist.

Second, in context Jesus is alluding to Psalm 82 where human judges are called "gods," and His reasoning communicates the following idea: "If God even called human judges 'gods' (with a small 'g'), then how much more is it appropriate that I call myself the Son of God." Keep in mind that Christ had just pronounced Himself one with the Father saying, "I and My Father are one" (10:30). The Jews wanted to stone Him because they thought Christ was blaspheming, making Himself out to be equal with God (vv. 3133). Jesus responded by quoting Psalm 82:6 (a verse dealing with human judges) which says, "I said, you are gods." So, Jesus reasoned, if human judges could be called "gods" (with a small 'g'), then why can't the Son of God be called "God."

Third, these judges were "gods" in the sense that they stood in God place, judging over life and death matters. They were not called "gods" because they were actually divine beings. Indeed, the text Jesus cites (Ps. 82) also goes on to say that these judges were "mere men" and would "die" (v. 7).

Fourth, it is possible, as many scholars believe, that when the psalmist Asaph said "You are gods" of the unjust judges in Psalm 82, he was speaking in irony. He indicated to these judges (who had apparently become unjust in their dealings with men), "I have called you 'gods,' but in fact you will die like the men that you really are." If this is so, then when Jesus alluded to this psalm in John 10, He was saying that what the Israelite judges were called in irony and in judgment, He is in reality.

In any event, it is clear that Jesus in this passage was giving a defense for His own deity, not for the deification of man.

 

[Bazz1040]

i agree with this, only disagree with the idea that we get the worship due to him. we are his agents and can act and do that will via what i mentioned delegation.

that is what i meant by occupy till i come. its done on a small scale when we pray and act on gods unction.

i as a leader will tell a soldier that i trust to do this or that and grant him my authority to do so, if anyone disobeys him they will have to answer to me.

is this what you mean?

God will get His worship and praise and we will get ours. It’s like loving and respecting someone, does not mean that you cannot love and respect others as well......each get their own honor and praise. God will never get jealous or upset if His children are given the same praise and honor as He gets......we are His children and we are in His image because we came from Him.....so those who worship His children are in effect worshiping God as well.<O</O

 

[Bazz1040]

well then why does the asb and the kjv call us small case gods if were like him?

That's just something that the KJV arbitrarily did, it is not the way in the original scriptures. It’s just a way to distinguish between The God and man, who The God called gods.<O</O

 

[Alabaster]

We, the redeemed will not receive worship---that is reserved only for God, forever. He tells us that we will receive honour in the Kingdom, but that is not worship. We don't worship our judges or heads of state, do we?

 

[Bazz1040]

Did Jesus advocate that man could become God in John 10:34?

Did Jesus advocate that man could become God in John 10:34?

Jesus answered a group of Jews and said, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'?" (John 10:34). Does this mean that humans can become God? New Agers cite this verse to support their doctrine of the deity of man. Mormons also cite it to support their view that humans can become gods.

There are many reasons this text should not be used to support such an idea.

First, such an interpretation is contrary to the overall context. Jesus in this passage is not speaking to pantheists (who believe that God is everything and everything is God) or polytheists (who believe in many gods). Rather, He is addressing strict Jewish monotheists who believe that only the Creator of the universe is God. So, His statement should not be wrenched out of this monotheistic context and given a pantheistic or polytheistic twist.

Second, in context Jesus is alluding to Psalm 82 where human judges are called "gods," and His reasoning communicates the following idea: "If God even called human judges 'gods' (with a small 'g'), then how much more is it appropriate that I call myself the Son of God." Keep in mind that Christ had just pronounced Himself one with the Father saying, "I and My Father are one" (10:30). The Jews wanted to stone Him because they thought Christ was blaspheming, making Himself out to be equal with God (vv. 3133). Jesus responded by quoting Psalm 82:6 (a verse dealing with human judges) which says, "I said, you are gods." So, Jesus reasoned, if human judges could be called "gods" (with a small 'g'), then why can't the Son of God be called "God."

Third, these judges were "gods" in the sense that they stood in God place, judging over life and death matters. They were not called "gods" because they were actually divine beings. Indeed, the text Jesus cites (Ps. 82) also goes on to say that these judges were "mere men" and would "die" (v. 7).

Fourth, it is possible, as many scholars believe, that when the psalmist Asaph said "You are gods" of the unjust judges in Psalm 82, he was speaking in irony. He indicated to these judges (who had apparently become unjust in their dealings with men), "I have called you 'gods,' but in fact you will die like the men that you really are." If this is so, then when Jesus alluded to this psalm in John 10, He was saying that what the Israelite judges were called in irony and in judgment, He is in reality.

In any event, it is clear that Jesus in this passage was giving a defense for His own deity, not for the deification of man.

My interest is in what God said and not so much what people believe or think God meant.<O</O

 

[jasoncran]

That's just something that the KJV arbitrarily did, it is not the way in the original scriptures. It’s just a way to distinguish between The God and man, who The God called gods.<O</O

disagree read the commentary as most churches teach it this way.

judges are to whom the lord is adressing and in ot isreal only judges did that list not the everyday hebrew.

context is the key.

i also disagree that if one worships me even now(we have all of God now )

unless you dont agree that God was wrong when he said if you abide in me and I in you, and also I and my father are one.
He is in me and I in you.

that happens when we repent. we dont get more of God when we die, we lose that old man that wraps the inner man.

that which is mortal must put on immortality,corruptable must become incorruptable.

 

[jasoncran]

My interest is in what God said and not so much what people believe or think God meant.<O</O

interesting then why listen to a pastor who reads the bible and also takes things in context.

why would jesus need to remind the pharisee then when he said that they are gods ,when he spent time to make the case that they shouldnt be offended at him being called the son of God.

why? because they too were called gods and they knew that verse and also that psalm refered to evil judges (which they were).

its like this if you a pharisee are a god,why then are you offended when i am called the son of God.

 

[jasoncran]

We, the redeemed will not receive worship---that is reserved only for God, forever. He tells us that we will receive honour in the Kingdom, but that is not worship. We don't worship our judges or heads of state, do we?

no, if i see the potus while in uniform i must render the honor given to him , a military salute! by bazz that would be Worship! and God in romans 13 says give honour to honor due, tribute to tribute is due and fear to fear is due.
so then the corrupt Roman govt was also to be worshipped?as it say that they are his serveants to the task of avenging evil.

 

[Bazz1040]

We, the redeemed will not receive worship---that is reserved only for God, forever. He tells us that we will receive honour in the Kingdom, but that is not worship. We don't worship our judges or heads of state, do we?

Do you realize that honor and praise is a form of worship and vice versa? The reason why it is wrong to worship human beings as we are in this life is that we don't deserve it....yet. We don't have the kind of ability and control over life, including ours and circumstances and creation that we will have in glory.<O</O

 

[Bazz1040]

interesting then why listen to a pastor who reads the bible and also takes things in context.

why would jesus need to remind the pharisee then when he said that they are gods ,when he spent time to make the case that they shouldnt be offended at him being called the son of God.

why? because they too were called gods and they knew that verse and also that psalm refered to evil judges (which they were).

its like this if you a pharisee are a god,why then are you offended when i am called the son of God.

I don't believe everything I hear a pastor say......if I see that what he is saying is not in agreement with the scriptures I reject it. But I will accept whatever else he might say that I see is Biblically based. <O</O

 

[jasoncran]

Do you realize that honor and praise is a form of worship and vice versa? The reason why it is wrong to worship human beings as we are in this life is that we don't deserve it....yet. We don't have the kind of ability and control over life, including ours and circumstances and creation that we will have in glory.<O</O

reconcile this verse then as God commands this

Romans 13:1-7 kjv see vs seven

1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

 

[Bazz1040]

disagree read the commentary as most churches teach it this way.

judges are to whom the lord is adressing and in ot isreal only judges did that list not the everyday hebrew.

context is the key.

i also disagree that if one worships me even now(we have all of God now )

unless you dont agree that God was wrong when he said if you abide in me and I in you, and also I and my father are one.
He is in me and I in you.

that happens when we repent. we dont get more of God when we die, we lose that old man that wraps the inner man.

that which is mortal must put on immortality,corruptable must become incorruptable.

Whether it is capitalized or not the word is still elōhîm in the Greek. <O</O
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[jasoncran]

Whether it is capitalized or not the word is still elōhîm in the Greek. <O</O
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and the word elohim isnt the name of God. the only word that is his name is this one YHVH. the others are titles

we christians love adonai(lord) but its not his name, nor is the word elohim.

that word actually means the plural of God.

its hebrew not Greek.

the cananites having a similiar language worship elohim as well and would that be the same God.NO.

the word elohim when not in caps or build in the bible simply means a god, not THE GOD.

 

[Bazz1040]

reconcile this verse then as God commands this

Romans 13:1-7 kjv see vs seven

1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

I am in agreement with you only that one should not blindly obey those in office, because they do not always do and say what is right.....there are times when they want you to disobey God.....which is why God comes first.<O</O

 

[jasoncran]

I am in agreement with you only that one should not blindly obey those in office, because they do not always do and say what is right.....there are times when they want you to disobey God.....which is why God comes first.<O</O

irrevalant to the topic you claimed that we are not to worship men by honouring them yet here its said to give them honour and this was when rome an evil govt was in power. sure we shouldnt break Gods commandment but that doesnt mean we talk to the authorities like homies on the block or such like

and in either case its still saying that we should by your thinking worship them. as honour is a form of worship.
it doesnt say when they dont do what God wants that we should be hateful of them.

and if you notice in acts here what pauls says to the man festus and others as well, and this despite being abused and misstreated by that man

acts 26 kjv
2 I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused of the Jews:

3 Especially [because I know] thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently.

4 My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;

5 Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.

6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:

7 Unto which [promise] our twelve tribes, instantly serving [God] day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?

9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.

10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against [them].

11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled [them] to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted [them] even unto strange cities.

12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,

13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill [me].

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

23 That Christ should suffer, [and] that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.

25 But he said, I am not mad, most NOBLE Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.

26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.

27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.

28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.

30 And when he had thus spoken, the king rose up, and the governor, and Bernice, and they that sat with them:

31 And when they were gone aside, they talked between themselves, saying, This man doeth nothing worthy of death or of bonds.

32 Then said Agrippa unto Festus, This man might have been set at liberty, if he had not appealed unto Caesar.

GOTO NEXT CHAPTER - KJV SEARCH ENGINE

 

[Bazz1040]

and the word elohim isnt the name of God. the only word that is his name is this one YHVH. the others are titles

we christians love adonai(lord) but its not his name, nor is the word elohim.

that word actually means the plural of God.

its hebrew not Greek.

the cananites having a similiar language worship elohim as well and would that be the same God.NO.

the word elohim when not in caps or build in the bible simply means a god, not THE GOD.

But we are talking about the word God and what Jesus said. As I said, men choose what word to capitalize and which word not to. And I don't have a problem with that because I understand.<O</O

 

[Bazz1040]

irrevalant to the topic you claimed that we are not to worship men by honouring them yet here its said to give them honour and this was when rome an evil govt was in power. sure we shouldnt break Gods commandment but that doesnt mean we talk to the authorities like homies on the block or such like

and in either case its still saying that we should by your thinking worship them. as honour is a form of worship.
it doesnt say when they dont do what God wants that we should be hateful of them.

and if you notice in acts here what pauls says to the man festus and others as well, and this despite being abused and misstreated by that man

acts 26 kjv
2 I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused of the Jews:

3 Especially [because I know] thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently.

4 My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;

5 Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.

6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:

7 Unto which [promise] our twelve tribes, instantly serving [God] day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?

9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth.

10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against [them].

11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled [them] to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted [them] even unto strange cities.

12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,

13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill [me].

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

23 That Christ should suffer, [and] that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.

25 But he said, I am not mad, most NOBLE Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.

26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.

27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.

28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.

30 And when he had thus spoken, the king rose up, and the governor, and Bernice, and they that sat with them:

31 And when they were gone aside, they talked between themselves, saying, This man doeth nothing worthy of death or of bonds.

32 Then said Agrippa unto Festus, This man might have been set at liberty, if he had not appealed unto Caesar.

GOTO NEXT CHAPTER - KJV SEARCH ENGINE

Obedience to men only go so far.<O</O
<O</O
Acts 5:29 (ASV)
<SUP>29 </SUP>But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men. <O</O



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