Obama decries Quran-burning, violent responses

[Hitch]

Most of which camps were founded and funded by the US when the USSR invaded Afghanistan.

The Russians had been gone a decade before 9/11.

 

[Sam21]

Fact check. Would most christians make a public display of burning a Koran?,NO. Did the American man have the right to burn a Koran if he wanted to?,YES. Did his burning of the Koran cause the deaths of nine people?,NO, nine people were murdered by religious fanatics who were already religious fanatics and would have murder someone before the book was burned, the book burning just gave then an excuse to act our what they were.

 

[Hitch]

Fact check. Would most christians make a public display of burning a Koran?,NO. Did the American man have the right to burn a Koran if he wanted to?,YES. Did his burning of the Koran cause the deaths of nine people?,NO, nine people were murdered by religious fanatics who were already religious fanatics and would have murder someone before the book was burned, the book burning just gave then an excuse to act our what they were.

Yup.

 

[jasoncran]

Most of which camps were founded and funded by the US when the USSR invaded Afghanistan.

negative. those guys are pretty much dead the taliban killed them for the most part in the civil war. remember when we invaded afghanistan the northern alliance? those were all those that werent taliban. yes we supported the taliban at first and let them do their thing after the fall of the ussr. pakistan supported the taliban more then anyone.

 

[theLords]

Distorted view, the Koran is NOT holy, read it(I have a copy)it is a demonic book designed to send people to hell(as a christian you should know that?). The christians in Acts rejoiced over the burning of demonic books so I would hardly think the saints would weep over the burning of a demonic book that leds people into hell. Also,nine people were not murdered because someone in America burned a book, nine people were killed because people believe a book that tells them to murder those who disagree with them.

What are you talking about? I didn't say the Koran was Holy. I said it was "their holy book." Is that how one usually spreads the Gospel of Christ with the lost? Go up to them and destroy and belittle the things they hold scared?

In Acts, they rejoiced over the burning of their own demonic books. They destroyed their own property. Many ex-Muslims turned Christians will burn their Korans and other Islamic idolatry things.

 

[Lewis]

Did any of you read this stuff, I studied Islam in the mid 90's just to see what it was all about, and so that I could go toe to toe with them when I needed to. So if you want to know some truthful stuff about Islam the below links is a good place to start.
Muslims Have Always Persecuted Christians
http://www.bible.ca/islam/
Islam: Muslims Have Always Killed Christians

The Quran says kill Christians
Islam: Muslims Have Always Killed Christians

 

[theLords]

The pastor that burned the koran was not violent either. He simply burned his personal property as a statement not to muslims for their sake, but for Americans and Christians. It was a statement to his own people. I am sure if he wanted to witness to a muslim, he would not do it by burning a koran. This was his wake-up statement to his people whom he probably felt were asleep to the realities and dangers of islam in relation to America.

I agree with you that MLK was not violent but the police were. But if you use that line of thinking, then you have to agree that this pastor also was not violent, but the muslims are. However, if you conclude the pastor incited the violence, then you have to likewise conclude MLK incited violence by disturbing the peace with his very politically incorrect marches. He did not burn anything, but he did cost citizens a lot of money with the extra police, secret service and his people disturbed traffic with their masses so he actually did much more damage and disturbance than the pastor.

"What chain reaction did he set off? Equality for all human beings, praise God!"

Well, actually the initial chain reaction was a lot of violence, injustice and even murder. It was not a "hallelujah, praise God!" moment at first. It was long bitter hurt and hardship before equality really came about. But eventually his message resonated with people, but not initially. It took his death, and years to pass by before it was really appreciated. Initially the message he was sending was rejected and disdained, just as this pastor`s message is being rejected and disdained by many. And just as the message of prophets in the Bible were rejected and disdained. Who knows, one day this pastor`s message might resonate and have more meaning. This pastor obviously felt the message he wanted to deliver was important enough that he was willing to risk his life to deliver it. He had already had death threats, but he wanted to deliever a message. MLK also had death threats but he felt his message was important enough that he too was willing to lay down his life to deliver it. Actually their messages are not that different. Both of their messages were about awakening sleepy people to the cruelties of one group towards another, and how society should guard against and stop this.

You're comparing apples and oranges, as I said before. The fight for human rights equality was a civil matter not a spiritual matter. MLK fought for the civil rights of Black Americans. He, as a Christian, had already obtained equality in Christ. Yes, there was hatred and violence and a long road of bitter suffering, but (for the most part) the Black community was sinless in this area. They were the ones persecuted. They did not incite violence. They did not provoke those who committed violence against them. Their ashes were turned into beauty. Christ is glorified through the actions of the peaceful promoters of equality.

This pastor has done nothing but bring shame and dishonor on the name of Christ. Christ receives no glory by his event. Muslim hearts all around been hardened towards the Gospel of Christ. Islam is not the enemy. Satan is the enemy. Islam is simply a religion Satan stands behind (or a tool he uses to achieve his purposes). However, if you ever listen to the testimonies from ex-Muslims turned Christians, they have described how the Lord used Islam to bring them to Himself. Islam is simply a tool. The only way to defeat Satan is through Jesus Christ--Love. "Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers of this earth."

 

[Hitch]

You're comparing apples and oranges, as I said before. The fight for human rights equality was a civil matter not a spiritual matter. MLK fought for the civil rights of Black Americans. He, as a Christian, had already obtained equality in Christ. Yes, there was hatred and violence and a long road of bitter suffering, but (for the most part) the Black community was sinless in this area. They were the ones persecuted. They did not incite violence. They did not provoke those who committed violence against them. Their ashes were turned into beauty. Christ is glorified through the actions of the peaceful promoters of equality.

This pastor has done nothing but bring shame and dishonor on the name of Christ. Christ receives no glory by his event. Muslim hearts all around been hardened towards the Gospel of Christ. Islam is not the enemy. Satan is the enemy. Islam is simply a religion Satan stands behind (or a tool he uses to achieve his purposes). However, if you ever listen to the testimonies from ex-Muslims turned Christians, they have described how the Lord used Islam to bring them to Himself. Islam is simply a tool. The only way to defeat Satan is through Jesus Christ--Love. "Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers of this earth."

Thats like telling Dave Goliath is not the enemy.

 

[jasoncran]

hitch, i had a nam vet tell me not to hate all the people of afghanistan or all hajis. why? this man had ptsd and it was from his anger and hate of the victor charlie. not all muslims are bad. do we like to be called jew haters and killers for what hitler did? as some claim(my dad at one time) that the rcc was responsible for the holocaust. just so you know my family lost kin in that. i choose not hate germans or the catholics. yes some catholics were guilty and in the past both the lutherans and the catholics and calvinists hated the jew.

 

[Sam21]

What are you talking about? I didn't say the Koran was Holy. I said it was "their holy book." Is that how one usually spreads the Gospel of Christ with the lost? Go up to them and destroy and belittle the things they hold scared?

In Acts, they rejoiced over the burning of their own demonic books. They destroyed their own property. Many ex-Muslims turned Christians will burn their Korans and other Islamic idolatry things.

You missed something, the Koran that the man burned BELONGED TO HIM, so he was burning his own demonic book. Islam as a whole hates the western part of the world and is bent on world conquest, we can deny and pacify as the English leader did prior to WW2, or we can stand up to these people while we still have the upper hand.

 

[theLords]

You missed something, the Koran that the man burned BELONGED TO HIM, so he was burning his own demonic book. Islam as a whole hates the western part of the world and is bent on world conquest, we can deny and pacify as the English leader did prior to WW2, or we can stand up to these people while we still have the upper hand.

You're right, because war, violence, and an eye for an eye is exactly what Christ wants. It's worked wonders so far! : /sarcasm

I think you're missing something--acts like these that come from the Church turn people away from Christ. Not only does it turn away Muslims, but also atheists and weak "Christians." This isn't about pacifism. If you want to stand up to terrorism, do it through your vote as an American citizen. I'm from DC, I lived through 9/11 and the Muslim DC sniper, if anyone should have an excuse to hate, that would be me right here

This is about the fact that this pastor, through his need to be American and make a political (not spiritual) statement, violated the law of love under Christ Jesus and lost an opportunity to share the Gospel. Who cares if he did not commit an illegal act under the Constitution. So many hearts were turned away from Christ through his words and deeds! We are Christians before we are Americans, this world is not our home, we are foreigners here. We are citizens of the Kingdom of Christ, first and foremost.

You want to fight the principality of Islam? Then start fasting and praying, because that is the only way that this devil will be brought down. Hatred and violence will only feed it and cause it to grow stronger, the love of Christ will defeat it.

 

[Hitch]

hitch, i had a nam vet tell me not to hate all the people of afghanistan or all hajis. why? this man had ptsd and it was from his anger and hate of the victor charlie. not all muslims are bad. do we like to be called jew haters and killers for what hitler did? as some claim(my dad at one time) that the rcc was responsible for the holocaust. just so you know my family lost kin in that. i choose not hate germans or the catholics. yes some catholics were guilty and in the past both the lutherans and the catholics and calvinists hated the jew.

All the muslims involved in this slaughter are 'bad' .

And a pretty fair representation of what Islam is all about.

 

[jasoncran]

All the muslims involved in this slaughter are 'bad' .

And a pretty fair representation of what Islam is all about.

not all agree. yes those are but not all of them are doing that. lets say that i have muslims friend in country that i havent hear a peep from and i do live in florida. they know this.

keep in mind that in the usmc and the u.s.army there are muslims. are these bad too? you think i havent known of them and fought with them or train with them. i have a recent as 2007.

 

[Hitch]

You're right, because war, violence, and an eye for an eye is exactly what Christ wants. It's worked wonders so far! : /sarcasm

I think you're missing something--acts like these that come from the Church turn people away from Christ. Not only does it turn away Muslims, but also atheists and weak "Christians." This isn't about pacifism. If you want to stand up to terrorism, do it through your vote as an American citizen. I'm from DC, I lived through 9/11 and the Muslim DC sniper, if anyone should have an excuse to hate, that would be me right here

Exactly how dose burning a book prove 'A' hates 'B'?

This is about the fact that this pastor, through his need to be American and make a political (not spiritual) statement, violated the law of love under Christ Jesus and lost an opportunity to share the Gospel. Who cares if he did not commit an illegal act under the Constitution. So many hearts were turned away from Christ through his words and deeds!

Would you care to explain how you know this?

We are Christians before we are Americans, this world is not our home, we are foreigners here. We are citizens of the Kingdom of Christ, first and foremost.

You want to fight the principality of Islam? Then start fasting and praying, because that is the only way that this devil will be brought down. Hatred and violence will only feed it and cause it to grow stronger, the love of Christ will defeat it.

Yep fasting and praying worked great against the NAZIs.

 

[Hitch]

not all agree. yes those are but not all of them are doing that. lets say that i have muslims friend in country that i havent hear a peep from and i do live in florida. they know this.

keep in mind that in the usmc and the u.s.army there are muslims. are these bad too?

Were any of them involved in this slaughter -the subject of this thread? I doubt it but if they were then they are 'bad' too. And even if they talk really nice they are by definition antichrist.

. you think i havent known of them and fought with them or train with them. i have a recent as 2007.

Great and of those you trained with how many were involved in this slaughter?

 

[Hitch]

so i can kill the athiests here and also the jw?

Well thats up to you but you might explain what connection this silly question has to do with the subject at hand ?

are they not lost and the enemy too? war isnt all that you think it is. it SUCKS. YES WE NEED NOT LET OUR GUARD DOWN BUT YOU ARE CONFUSING THE CALLING OF GOD TO REPENT VS SELF-DEFENSE. I LIVE NEAR A MUSSALLAH AND SEE THE MUSLIMS PRAY OFTEN. IF THEY DONT BOTHER ME I DONT BOTHER THEM, ITS THAT SIMPLE. SHOULD I THEM GO TO THAT PLACE AND LOCK AND LOAD AND KILL THEM AND THEIR KIDS IN THE NAME OF THE LORD?

see above

HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT YOU WERE A MURDERER BECAUSE TAKING A LIFE EVEN IF LEGAL AND JUSTIFIABLE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD TO DO? OR WHAT ABOUT THE FACT YOU LOOK AT MEN DIFFERENTLY THEN YOU DID BEFORE YOU SERVED IN WAR.I HAVE NOT KILLED IN COMBAT AND I THANK GOD FOR THAT, I DONT REGRET MY SERVICE AND I INTEND TO ENLIST BUT.. YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT ITS LIKE TO WONDER IF I WAS LESS THEN HUMAN FOR WHAT I DID DO AND SEE.I AM NO PACIFIST , I HATE VIOLENCE AND I HATE WAR FAR MORE. IF I DIE FOR YOU THEN SO BE IT. BUT I WILL NEVER ENJOY WAR OR TAKE PLEASURE IN KILLING EVEN IN DEATH. YES I COULD JOKE ON AND ON ON THE BODIES I SAW AS THAT IS THE ONLY WAY I HAD TO DEAL WITH THE DEATH AND INJURIES AND MUTALIED BABIES THAT I SAW.

NICE RANT but what does it have to do with the subject at hand and/or anything I've posted ?

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A BABY WITH ITS ARM SWOLLEN TO TWICE ITS SIZE FROM INFECTION OR BURNS? I HAVE. HAVE YOU EVER KILLED A KID WITH A GUN ? FELLOW SOLDIERS HAVE. HAVE YOU EVER MADE A CHOICE WILL (A TEACH THE TROOPS YOU COMMAND, AS I DO) TO RUN OVER CIVILIANS IF NEED BE IF THEY GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONVOY? OR KILL ANY CIVILIAN WHO APPROACHES YOUR POSITION AND THEY KNOW NOT TO? ALL FOR WHAT?

SEE ABOVE

WHENEVER I TRAIN . I LOOK TO MY SOLDIERS AND OFTEN THINK THAT SOME OF THEM MAY NOT COME BACK OR I MYSELF DESPITE GOOD TRAINING.

now then i'm done with you sir.i pray for your grandson as he will see what i have seen and it will mess with his head, i know it still does with me all the time. i never goes away.welcome to my world.

Reba's grandson.

 

[jasoncran]

Well thats up to you but you might explain what connection this silly question has to do with the subject at hand ? see above NICE RANT but what does it have to do with the subject at hand and/or anything I've posted ? SEE ABOVE
Reba's grandson.

And a pretty fair representation of what Islam is all about

all islam? so that must logically include all muslims. your words not mine. i learned the alot on islam as i saw them for who they are over there, the good , bad and ugly.

so is all of christianity like the wbc. could i say that the wbc represents all of christianity.

i think so by your logic.yes many muslims see the koran and interpreted it to be means for jihad but not all do.

 

[Lewis]

I invited my Muslim neighbors over for dinner tonight, and I can't wait until they get here. They are going to love my home style pork chops from my fresh roasted pig.

 

[Hitch]

And a pretty fair representation of what Islam is all about

all islam? so that must logically include all muslims. your words not mine. i learned the alot on islam as i saw them for who they are over there, the good , bad and ugly.

so is all of christianity like the wbc. could i say that the wbc represents all of christianity.

i think so by your logic.yes many muslims see the koran and interpreted it to be means for jihad but not all do.

Well since you cant produce a single post from me saying 'all muslims are bad' you're better off making things up.


You should be ashamed .

 

[AKJVReader]

It's amazing how many "Christian" people do not use the Scriptures to back up what they are saying and doing. They make general statements about Islam and burning the Koran (an idol) without knowing what God says about it in His Word. Maybe it is because they dont trust there Bibles, because there Modern Bible's have been altered and words changed. I also say this, i'm not against women interpreting the Bible, but it is usually best not to debate Biblical issues with women, it is best if the woman gets her understanding from a Pastor or her husband. I'm not for women as leaders over men as Paul makes clear in His epistles.