names in the book of life?

[Dustoftheearth]

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I know that names can be blotted out, but when are our names written into the book of life?

Are we born with our names already in?
If not then what about the children

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

 

[Paul1965]

I believe we are born with our names in the book of life. Simply because a baby is born without knowledge of sin and righteousness. It is only once we age and become aware of good and bad that we make the choices that will ultimately lead to our salvation or destruction.
Even if we lead a life of sin, once we open our hearts to Jesus and repent our sins, and truly change our lives God, in His Grace, Love and Mercy has the power and has given us the promise of redemption and eternal life through our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[watchman333]

Everyone's name is written in the book of life. If we understand that there was an age before this flesh age, the world that then was, according to Peter, and that everyone must be born again, which is to say, begotten from above, then we can understand how our names will be blotted out if we bow our knee to the anti-christ. We must overcome the final tribulations, in other words, we must endure unto the end. The same shall keep their names written in the book of life.

 

[elijah23]

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I know that names can be blotted out, but when are our names written into the book of life?

Are we born with our names already in?
If not then what about the children

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

If you love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself (Matt 22:34-40), I believe you'll do just fine.

 

[Dustoftheearth]

If you love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself (Matt 22:34-40), I believe you'll do just fine.

Thanks but that really does not answer the question asked.

Also, if anyone could love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, then they would not have need for a saviour.

I love Him, because He first loved me, and by the Holy Spirit, the love of God has been shed abroad in my heart.

[FONT=&quot]Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. [/FONT]

 

[BornAgain]

Thanks but that really does not answer the question asked.

Also, if anyone could love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, then they would not have need for a saviour.

I love Him, because He first loved me, and by the Holy Spirit, the love of God has been shed abroad in my heart.

[FONT=&quot]Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. [/FONT]

Philippians 4:3 (KJV)

3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

whose names are in the book of life.—For passages referring to the "book of life," see Dan 12:1 Rev 3:5 Rev 13:8 Rev 17:8 Rev 20:12 Rev 21:27. From "that book" the names may be "blotted out."

Rev 3:5, till the end fixes it forever. The apostle does not mention his fellow laborers by name, but it does not matter. The names are written before God, in the book of life. If they continue in His service, those names shall shine out hereafter when the great names of earth shall fade into nothingness.

 

[BornAgain]

Everyone's name is written in the book of life. If we understand that there was an age before this flesh age, the world that then was, according to Peter, and that everyone must be born again, which is to say, begotten from above, then we can understand how our names will be blotted out if we bow our knee to the anti-christ. We must overcome the final tribulations, in other words, we must endure unto the end. The same shall keep their names written in the book of life.

Born again:

John 3:3 (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:7 (KJV)
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

To enter the kingdom is to be saved. Col 1:13-14. To be saved one must believe, repent, confess and be baptized for (unto) the remission of sins. Heb 11:6 Luke 13:3 Rom 10:10 Acts 2:38.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Being born again—For being born of Abraham's seed will not avail to the entering of the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Dustoftheearth]

Born again:

John 3:3 (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:7 (KJV)
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

To enter the kingdom is to be saved. Col 1:13-14. To be saved one must believe, repent, confess and be baptized for (unto) the remission of sins. Heb 11:6 Luke 13:3 Rom 10:10 Acts 2:38.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Being born again—For being born of Abraham's seed will not avail to the entering of the kingdom of heaven.

So, do you believe that all children who die before they know and understand the gospel will eternally perish?

If yes, then why does Jesus say that the Kingdom belonged to such as these?

If no, then how can they be born again and have their names in the book of life, if they have not yet believed in Christ?

and what of this verse:

[FONT=&quot]Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. [/FONT]

 

[BornAgain]

So, do you believe that all children who die before they know and understand the gospel will eternally perish?

No

If no, then how can they be born again and have their names in the book of life, if they have not yet believed in Christ?

Infants are born without sin, therefore are not accountable and are free from sin and the rest is common sense.

and what of this verse:

[FONT=&quot]Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. [/FONT]

The language here means that the wicked power represented by the beast John saw had existed, did not exist, but would come into existence again. This thought is repeated at the end of this verse and is referred to in verse 11.

See notes on verse 10 for full explanation. The word "abyss" refers to the abode of Satan, see 9:1-2. Here the thought is that, when the beast returned in a new form, its power and presence should be attributed to Satan—that is, he would be the cause of its existence and the source of its power. The encouraging fact is here stated that this beast power would be destroyed, but when is not mentioned.

On that point in 2 Thess 2:8 shows it will be at the Lord's coming.

And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come—The events described would be so remarkable as to create surprise, challenge admiration, and lead to belief in the beast's power, except by those written in the book of life.

Those who were faithful servants of Christ and worthy of everlasting life would not be deceived. See notes on 13:8. The text explains that the thing which would cause men to wonder was the fact that a power once caused fear had become practically extinct, and yet was revived with terrific strength.

 

[reba]

Infants are born without sin, therefore are not accountable and are free from sin and the rest is common sense.

I fully understand there is teaching to the above but is there Scripture passage/s?

 

[BornAgain]

I fully understand there is teaching to the above but is there Scripture passage/s?

Luke 18:15-17 (KJV)
15 And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.

16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

The plea of Jesus is that the children be allowed to come to him and receive his blessings. No one has a right to forbid anyone's coming to Jesus. "For to such belongeth the kingdom of God."

The thought seems to be from that which follows this statement, and the parable which precedes it, that Jesus was teaching the beauty of a humble and childlike spirit, and to commend such a spirit to his disciples for imitation. Evidently he does not say that the kingdom of heaven belongs to children, but "to such" does the kingdom of heaven belong.

This idea is strengthened by the record given by Mark: "For to such belongeth the kingdom of God." Mark 10:14.

17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive—This makes it clear that Jesus is here speaking of those who have the characteristics of a little child are the ones to whom the kingdom of God belongeth. If one does not have these characteristics "he shall in no wise enter therein." No one can be saved without these characteristics; one can enter the church or the kingdom of God on earth only by receiving Christ.

The meek, humble, and childlike disposition is characteristic of a citizen in the kingdom of God. Jesus here describes the spirit and frame of mind which are absolutely necessary to salvation; pride, self-righteousness, and self-exaltation must be laid aside; all must be converted and become as little children to enter the kingdom of God. Matt 18:3.

-Gospel Advocate Commentaries

 

[reba]

Where are the passages on the little ones being born with out sin?

The plea of Jesus is that the children be allowed to come to him and receive his blessings. No one has a right to forbid anyone's coming to Jesus. "For to such belongeth the kingdom of God."

If they are born sinless... Why would they need His blessing?

 

[BornAgain]

Where are the passages on the little ones being born with out sin?

Show me a scripture that says they are born with sin.

 

[BornAgain]

Where are the passages on the little ones being born with out sin?


If they are born sinless... Why would they need His blessing?

Infants do not have sin in their lives. Infants are not born sinners. Matthew 18:3 is one of the strong­est passages in the Bible on this point.

Do not forbid them. Allow them to come, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.” What’s that? Jesus said that the kingdom of Heaven is like little children? Was Jesus trying to say that there were a bunch of depraved little sinners running around in the kingdom? That is not what Jesus was teaching. Jesus was teaching that just as small children are innocent and free of sin, that is what those in the kingdom must be like as well.

The strongest passage of all in this regard is Ezekiel 18:20 —“The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.” This text clearly teaches us that we do not inherit either the sin or the guilt of our fathers. In fact, Isaiah 7:16 teaches us that there is an age of accountability —a point where we know to refuse the evil and choose the good.

Before the age of account­ability, we have no sin in our lives. In fact, it is impossible for infants to meet the require­ments of salvation. How many infants do you know who can intelligently hear and understand the Word of God? It is an essential step in salvation. A person must be able to hear God’s Word. How many infants can hear and comprehend God’s plan of salvation? How many infants do you know who can believe in Jesus as the Son of God? How many can confess Him as Savior and re­pent of the things in their lives that are not right?

You see, infants cannot meet those requirements, and therefore they are not included in the group of people who needs to be saved. Infants are “safe.” They do not yet know (at that point in their lives) what evil and good are. We understand this.

How many people are going to say that a stillborn child is headed straight for Hell? People do not really believe that today because the Scriptures do not teach that.

 

[reba]

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Psa_58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Psa_51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

 

[reba]

This is topic that goes back and forth for me... I fully trust in His grace and mercy.... so when does the child become a sinner.

At what age?

 

[reba]

Isa 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.


That is the best one i have read so far..

 

[reba]

Yikes i took the thread off topic bad moderator bad.....

 

[reba]

The beast that thou sawest awas, and is not; and bshall ascend out of cthe bottomless pit, and dgo into perdition: and ethey that dwell on the earth fshall wonder, gwhose names were not written in the book of life gfrom the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


I am in not deeply schooled in English nor do i know Greek ... To me the verse above reads as if the those names were written from the foundation of the world.

 

[BornAgain]

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Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Psa_58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Psa_51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 58:3

They are called wicked men, men who had been always wicked, originally and naturally bad, and brought up in falsehood, flattery, and lying. The part they acted now was quite in character.

Psalm 51:5

David is speaking here of what is commonly called original sin; the propensity to evil which every man brings into the world with him, and which is the fruitful source where all transgression proceeds.

My previous post says we do not inherit the sins of our mother or father-original sin in null.