About how many here hold some preterism views?

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

but what do these verses have to do with something 8 days later?

28 Now it came to pass, about eight days after these sayings, that He took Peter, John, and James and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 As He prayed, the appearance of His face was altered, and His robe became white and glistening. 30 And behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and Elijah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of His decease which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and those with him were heavy with sleep; and when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men who stood with Him. 33 Then it happened, as they were parting from Him, that Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah"--not knowing what he said. 34 While he was saying this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were fearful as they entered the cloud. 35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!" Luke 9:28-35

That was the fulfillment of Jesus words to them.


"But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God."


JLB

The rebuttal and correction to that response was already posted. See post 424. This response seems so unfounded and unreasonable (without reason) to me that I actually can't (couldn't) tell if your serious. ???

Take care.

 

[JLB]

but what do these verses have to do with something 8 days later?

28 Now it came to pass, about eight days after these sayings, that He took Peter, John, and James and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 As He prayed, the appearance of His face was altered, and His robe became white and glistening. 30 And behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and Elijah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of His decease which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and those with him were heavy with sleep; and when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men who stood with Him. 33 Then it happened, as they were parting from Him, that Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah"--not knowing what he said. 34 While he was saying this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were fearful as they entered the cloud. 35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!" Luke 9:28-35

That was the fulfillment of Jesus words to them.


"But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God."


JLB

The rebuttal and correction to that response was already posted. This response seems so unfounded and unreasonable (without reason) to me that I actually can't (couldn't) tell if your serious. ???

Take care.

Well, if you believe Jesus has already returned, and the resurrection of the dead has taken place, then it wouldn't surprise me what you may or may not believe.




JLB

 

[JLB]

The statement that the "times of the Gentiles" is "2000 years long" is not biblical, just your opinion.

No it's actually a historical fact, just like the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.

June, 1967 The Six-Day War. Jerusalem is liberated from Jordanian control and for the first time in nearly two thousand years the Jews are in complete control of Jerusalem.

Historical fact!

JLB

 

[Hope of glory]

The statement that the "times of the Gentiles" is "2000 years long" is not biblical, just your opinion.

No it's actually a historical fact, just like the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.

June, 1967 The Six-Day War. Jerusalem is liberated from Jordanian control and for the first time in nearly two thousand years the Jews are in complete control of Jerusalem.

Historical fact!

JLB

JLB, please answer this question:

Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one) generation? YES or NO

 

[JLB]

The statement that the "times of the Gentiles" is "2000 years long" is not biblical, just your opinion.

No it's actually a historical fact, just like the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.

June, 1967 The Six-Day War. Jerusalem is liberated from Jordanian control and for the first time in nearly two thousand years the Jews are in complete control of Jerusalem.

Historical fact!

JLB

JLB, please answer this question:

Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one) generation? YES or NO

The generation that sees all these things, which are found in verse 25 -27

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." Luke 21:25-27

The term this generation in verse 32 refers to the generation that sees the events of verse 25-27.

The key is found in the phrase look up, lift up your heads...

What were they to see if they lifted up their heads?

They would see Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

Thus the phrase - EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, EVEN THOSE WHO PIERCED HIM!

The answer is a single generation that see's the signs that Jesus gave, which are the same signs that Matthew gave, will see the son of Man coming in the clouds.


JLB

 

[jasoncran]

The statement that the "times of the Gentiles" is "2000 years long" is not biblical, just your opinion.

No it's actually a historical fact, just like the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.

June, 1967 The Six-Day War. Jerusalem is liberated from Jordanian control and for the first time in nearly two thousand years the Jews are in complete control of Jerusalem.

Historical fact!

JLB

so then why did they cede the temple mount back? why did they not keep it?oops ya forgot that, if they could have kept it then why did they not just ignore the world and build that temple then and there? they had it all.

 

[JLB]

The statement that the "times of the Gentiles" is "2000 years long" is not biblical, just your opinion.

No it's actually a historical fact, just like the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.

June, 1967 The Six-Day War. Jerusalem is liberated from Jordanian control and for the first time in nearly two thousand years the Jews are in complete control of Jerusalem.

Historical fact!

JLB

so then why did they cede the temple mount back? why did they not keep it?oops ya forgot that, if they could have kept it then why did they not just ignore the world and build that temple then and there? they had it all.

Thank you for making my point.

That is why I asked her -

Is Jerusalem still trampled by Gentiles today?

It will not when they have been given the authority to build the third temple.


JLB

 

[JLB]

No Ma'am, that is not what you asked -

Here is the question you asked -

I don't have an answer for this question.

How do you know we are still in the "time of the Gentiles"?

I am still unsettled on this. What are the scriptures, please? Thanks POST 428 and 430

So God destroyed the last temple and Jesus became the new Temple built in three days, why would God build another temple? Is He going back to living behind the veil?

This question was asked in POST 415

I can't see where God ever talks about changing the covenant back to the blood of lambs and goats , wouldn't that be what Hebrews warns the Jews about, trampling on the blood of Jesus?

Then I ask this in POST 430

I was taught 'dispensational' even took a class many years ago. So I have a little background in the thought, but poor memory. And we were not taught some of the things I have learned in the last months. I was very young then and a baby Christian. I read but I didn't no what some of it meant so I just really only got part of it.

Thanks for answering my questions.

You asked me why they wanted to build another temple, and I answered you -

The reason the Jews want to build another temple is, they believe if they build it He [Messiah] will come.

Here is the link to their website, so you can search and find out the answers to all the questions you have about this subject yourself.

http://www.templeinstitute.org/

They had a promotional ad that stated IF WE BUILD IT HE WILL COME.

Meaning the Messiah would come.

That is what Judaism teaches, that the messiah will come through the eastern gate.The scriptures teach it will be a false messiah who goes to the temple of God, and proclaims himself as God, and ends up being destroyed by the "brightness" of Jesus coming.

The scripture also teach that God Himself will send them strong delusion that they would believe a lie!


11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

Why would God allow this temple to be built?

To send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie!

The Lawless one is the person of this delusion.

The Temple is the place of this delusion.

The lying signs and wonders are the things of this delusion.

Does this answer your question?

Did you go to the link I provided to research what these people say and believe.


JLB

 

[reba]

who here is a gentile?

 

[Deborah13]

Did you go to the link I provided to research what these people say and believe.

This is a direct quote from this website.
"Our spiritual alienation

Sadly, much of our contemporary attitudes regarding the Holy Temple are a reflection of our own spiritual bankruptcy and alienation from the spiritual underpinnings of true Torah knowledge and faith. The Holy Temple was not some magnificent building. It was the direct arena for our direct relationship with G-d; the unfolding saga of man's greatest spiritual longing. It was a place where heaven and earth met; a meeting place for man and G-d.
Our relationship with G-dAt this one place on earth, unlike any other, the one place that the Creator Himself chose to rest His presence, the rectification of man's connection with G-d takes place. All people were able to come to the Temple to partake in this direct and fulfilling bond; to recharge their spiritual batteries and come away with a renewed sense of purpose and being.

Before this I also quote.
"The Jewish people accepted the "Yoke of Heaven," the structure of their relationship with the Creator and their spiritual responsibility, at the Mount Sinai revelation. This relationship is based on Israel's acceptance and fulfillment of the Torah's 613 Divine commandments. But in fact, fully one third - 202 of these commandments - are totally dependent on the existence of the Holy Temple for their fulfillment. But what is our attitude regarding these commandments? Do we think of them as inactive, dormant, dead? Do we believe that they are no longer applicable? Do we perhaps relegate them to that nebulous time of messianic redemption; that they will only be activated in the future with the coming of the messiah?"

They fully intent to restore all the blood sacrifices and the purifications. Including for atonement. How could this be considered Holy? Trampling on the blood of the Savior?
Now we know this statement is incorrect. God brought Himself through Christ. So if the temple will not be HOLY, then how can to be a destruction of this temple an abomination seeing it will not be Holy?

 

[Deborah13]

So if the temple will not be HOLY, then how can to be a destruction of this temple an abomination seeing it will not be Holy?

@JLB , you know I may have I talked myself into another view. This temple would definitely be an abomination. So if it were to be destroyed in would be an AOD. The destruction of another abomination.

 

[JLB]

So if the temple will not be HOLY, then how can to be a destruction of this temple an abomination seeing it will not be Holy?

@JLB , you know I may have I talked myself into another view. This temple would definitely be an abomination. So if it were to be destroyed in would be an AOD. The destruction of another abomination.

While you are meditating on the ramifications of this, would you care to discuss the Jerusalem Covenant that was made in 1993?

JLB

 

[Deborah13]

[MENTION=90220]JLB[/MENTION]

Here's something else I've thought of. Every time someone accepts Jesus as the Messiah what happens, an AOD. Their own desolate temple that is without God is destroyed and we become a temple of the living God when He comes to live in our hearts.
So an AOD happens every day on the planet earth.

 

[JLB]

[MENTION=90220]JLB[/MENTION]

Here's something else I've thought of. Every time someone accepts Jesus as the Messiah what happens, an AOD. Their own desolate temple that is without God is destroyed and we become a temple of the living God when He comes to live in our hearts.
So an AOD happens every day on the planet earth.

That is why we are to be crucified to our old nature (temple).

I want you to check out the Jerusalem Covenant.

JLB

 

[Deborah13]

So if the temple will not be HOLY, then how can to be a destruction of this temple an abomination seeing it will not be Holy?

@JLB , you know I may have I talked myself into another view. This temple would definitely be an abomination. So if it were to be destroyed in would be an AOD. The destruction of another abomination.

While you are meditating on the ramifications of this, would you care to discuss the Jerusalem Covenant that was made in 1993?

JLB

JLB, my problem is with tying what may happen in the political arena with the literal 1000 yrs. and taking scripture to say that blood sacrifices will be going on with the consent of God. It makes absolutely no sense. God destroy the temple in 70 AD because of this and may again. Jesus blood is the only sacrifice for sin. Therefore, it would be an abomination to reinstate it, wouldn't it? Again trampling on the blood of the Savior. Something is amiss in our understanding wouldn't you say. God said He never found pleasure in it.

 

[Deborah13]

who here is a gentile?

Gentile, pagan, dog?

No Christian is this. By adoption we are of Israel are we not? Thru, Jesus the Seed of Abraham.

 

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

but what do these verses have to do with something 8 days later?

28 Now it came to pass, about eight days after these sayings, that He took Peter, John, and James and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 As He prayed, the appearance of His face was altered, and His robe became white and glistening. 30 And behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and Elijah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of His decease which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and those with him were heavy with sleep; and when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men who stood with Him. 33 Then it happened, as they were parting from Him, that Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah"--not knowing what he said. 34 While he was saying this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were fearful as they entered the cloud. 35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!" Luke 9:28-35

That was the fulfillment of Jesus words to them.


"But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God."


JLB

The rebuttal and correction to that response was already posted. This response seems so unfounded and unreasonable (without reason) to me that I actually can't (couldn't) tell if your serious. ???

Take care.

Well, if you believe Jesus has already returned, and the resurrection of the dead has taken place, then it wouldn't surprise me what you may or may not believe.
JLB

See again post 424. The mention of some of their remaining till the coming of Jesus in his Kingdomis ascociated with his coming in power, in judgmentt, reward, and with the angels. Its part of the same conversation and the sentemce before

Did Jesus come with reward, (favor) judgement, power, and with the angels at the tansfiguration??
It seems your altering or mistaking the historical settings and context of the words to escape the intention and implications of the words Jesus spoke because the may contradict your pre-paradigm and beliefs.

Thus is referred to as eisegesis not exegesis. One has a set of ideas, beliefs or previous indictrinatiins to which they pull verses from their context to support those beliefa or indoctrinations. The focus of study must be inductive , not manipulative or dictative.

These verses declare that a coming in power , glory, reward, and with angels was ti occur before some of those standing there had died.

Thanks.

 

[JLB]

See again post 424. The mention of some of their remaining till the coming of Jesus in his Kingdomis ascociated with his coming in power, in judgmentt, reward, and with the angels. Its part of the same conversation and the sentemce before.

... Their remaining till the coming of Jesus in power, judgement, reward...

27 "But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God." Luke 9:27

Once again we see those who would try and convince us that Jesus has returned and the resurrection is past, do so by trying to establish their doctrine with language that doesn't exist in the scripture they use.

Where is the word Power, judgement or reward in Luke 9:27?

This is the scripture you chose to discuss, now you add language to it that doesn't exist.

No wonder this Forum and others have declared preterism to be Heresy!


JLB

 

[reba]

Gentile, pagan, dog?

No Christian is this. By adoption we are of Israel are we not? Thru, Jesus the Seed of Abraham.

Amen

 

[JLB]

who here is a gentile?

Unsaved Palestinians, who worship Allah, would be a good example.


JLB