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Guest, Join Papa Zoom today for some uplifting biblical encouragement! --> Daily Verses
For any of the weapons that are mentioned here, was there a danger of destroying ALL FLESH? No, in fact there were whole nations that had no idea that a war or conflict was going on. The Aborigines of Australia were in no danger of being obliterated in the 1800's, much less 31AD. I doubt the Eskimos even knew of the invention of cannons until the 20th century and we don't think they were in any danger of being eradicated by the Roman war machine in the 1st century. So, in order for this to fit a Preterist or semi-Preterist view, it just doesn't. There can only be one time in history that is so bad that there has not been a time like it in the past or will ever be in the future. By definition, it is unique and cannot have occured yet.
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Brother Mike
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Unless that time be shortened, NO flesh will be saved. That is almost a complete and total wipe of the Human race.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
If an event occurred that destroyed all the sinners from the Earth, then I think we have our day. Removing all the sinners will remove a very large chunk of Earth's population and that has yet to happen (AGAIN)
Mike.
Sinthesis
Member
Since when?
Can you bring forth scripture to show that context?
Deborah13
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Deborah13
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Do you see this as relating to the whole world as a prophecy? That the word land, is saying the whole world? If so why?
Isaiah 13:1
The burden of Babylon that Isaiah son of Amoz hath seen:
Sinthesis
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Isaiah 19 is scripture. The prophecy it contains matches the historical record of ancient Egypt from the 7th century BC through the 1st century AD. In order to see it you have to let go of preconceptions and realize that the 'burden of Egypt' does not have to include us today.
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Brother Mike
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We are told line upon line, compare spiritual with spiritual, and compare like things.
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
The day of the Lord. You asked why I believe that and here are the scriptures.
Blessings
Mike.
I believe the Holy Spirit is very, very consistent in wording and connecting events. The day of the Lord would be a specific event possible tied to the release of the 6th and 7th seal.
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Elijah674
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Here is another one with who are DEAD, + who are in Heavens 1000 year of judgment, & who of course is chained during this time by period by circumstances!
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About satan’s ENDING.
Very good until you come to the loseining of satan. (as 'i' see it!) Check out Jer. 4
(you come to good observation using the brain above, why not read on with the same brain & with the prayerful Leading of the Holy Spirit here?)
[22] For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
[23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
(what could live in such as this except 's'pirits. Evil satan ones?)
[24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
[25] I beheld, and, lo, there was [[[no man]]], and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
(yet there is stated that there was not made a full end! So who is here? read on)
[26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down [[[at the presence of the LORD,]]] and by his fierce anger.
[27] For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
OK: No man, (MANKIND) the earth is as it was before creation in being a [WILDERNESS AT CHRIST SECOND COMING.] (figure of speech,
VOID!)
Who was there in the Garden of Eden at the forbidden Tree? And what was earth like before God started creating? The same evil spirit that is CHAINED by a literal set of circumstances as seen here. And Eccl. 3:15 is once more documented with satan on empty earth.
And the full end is because when Christ return's the wicked are ALL SLAIN by His Second Coming & remain in the grave until the 1000 yrs. are over. And the saints which had died are resurected at this Second Coming of Jesus & if 'two' old goats are still alive, we also will be caught up with the rest of the alive saints at this time. (if found faithful)
And the why of 1000 yrs.?(see ibid 22 again!
) Just think of the huge number that will die in the second death!! These ALL will be judged accurately by record books. Eccl. 12:13-14)
When Christ came, the wheat & tares had already been seperated as seen above. (SAVED ETERNALLY, or LOST ETERNALLY) But that is only the first phase of judgement for the Fire's of the second death. We see in 1 Cor. 6:2-3 that we will have a PART in this judgement. Also Christ documents that it is not as most see it today.... but do read it in His Words of Luke 12:47-48!
And another Truth is that there will NO sin in heaven (sinners) except by RECORD BOOKS. This 1000 years (AGAIN!!) finds all on earth wicked & DEAD except for satan & his ones.
Hell takes place when Christ & the Rightous all return again after the 1000 yrs. of the final phase two of the judgement, with the heavenly New Jerusalem. It is then that the wicked have their resurrection to die their second death according to their individual wicked deeds.
It is then that God will recreat the new heavens + earth & the promise land will then be rewarded for the saved ones. It is then that Obad. 1:16 & Nah. 1:9 will be recognized.
One should check out for how Christ see's the judging as seen also in Matt. 10:5-6 on through verse 15. + the Cold & the Lukewarm of Rev. 3:16.
--Elijah
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About satan’s ENDING.
Very good until you come to the loseining of satan. (as 'i' see it!) Check out Jer. 4
(you come to good observation using the brain above, why not read on with the same brain & with the prayerful Leading of the Holy Spirit here?)
[22] For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
[23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
(what could live in such as this except 's'pirits. Evil satan ones?)
[24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
[25] I beheld, and, lo, there was [[[no man]]], and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
(yet there is stated that there was not made a full end! So who is here? read on)
[26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down [[[at the presence of the LORD,]]] and by his fierce anger.
[27] For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
OK: No man, (MANKIND) the earth is as it was before creation in being a [WILDERNESS AT CHRIST SECOND COMING.] (figure of speech,
VOID!)
Who was there in the Garden of Eden at the forbidden Tree? And what was earth like before God started creating? The same evil spirit that is CHAINED by a literal set of circumstances as seen here. And Eccl. 3:15 is once more documented with satan on empty earth.
And the full end is because when Christ return's the wicked are ALL SLAIN by His Second Coming & remain in the grave until the 1000 yrs. are over. And the saints which had died are resurected at this Second Coming of Jesus & if 'two' old goats are still alive, we also will be caught up with the rest of the alive saints at this time. (if found faithful)
And the why of 1000 yrs.?(see ibid 22 again!
When Christ came, the wheat & tares had already been seperated as seen above. (SAVED ETERNALLY, or LOST ETERNALLY) But that is only the first phase of judgement for the Fire's of the second death. We see in 1 Cor. 6:2-3 that we will have a PART in this judgement. Also Christ documents that it is not as most see it today.... but do read it in His Words of Luke 12:47-48!
And another Truth is that there will NO sin in heaven (sinners) except by RECORD BOOKS. This 1000 years (AGAIN!!) finds all on earth wicked & DEAD except for satan & his ones.
Hell takes place when Christ & the Rightous all return again after the 1000 yrs. of the final phase two of the judgement, with the heavenly New Jerusalem. It is then that the wicked have their resurrection to die their second death according to their individual wicked deeds.
It is then that God will recreat the new heavens + earth & the promise land will then be rewarded for the saved ones. It is then that Obad. 1:16 & Nah. 1:9 will be recognized.
One should check out for how Christ see's the judging as seen also in Matt. 10:5-6 on through verse 15. + the Cold & the Lukewarm of Rev. 3:16.
--Elijah
jasoncran
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since 1948.
Then it appears with the knowledge you have of scripture, and history of that period to point out that Israel, Egypt, and Assyria are as one people, I'd appreciate your input.
Isaiah 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
Isaiah 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
Isaiah 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
Sinthesis
Member
There weren't any rabbis from 70-1948? Who made up that rule?
jasoncran
Member
its a tradition of the Chassidic jews. it has something to do with the schooling they over there. its their seminary.
Sinthesis
Member
Israel, Egypt, and Assyria all ended up as vassals of the successive world empires; Persian, Greek, and then Roman. Judaism infused these empires with knowledge of the true God of Israel, which was a blessing to all those that received it.
That's it? OK.
To me Rev 11 is a sign that can't be mistaken. The reign of the beast that kills those two witnesses is only 42 months. That beast is destroyed by the splendor of the Lords coming in the battle of the great Day of God Almighty. REV 16:15
No one knows that date but the Father but we can stand watch for the signs that must take place first.
Randy
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Elijah674
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Hi guy, just one quick remark. The second Adam knew 'NOT' of the day that Christ would come. But are we to believe that the resurrected Christ who was accepted of the Father (John 20:8) does not know when He comes again??? With ALL of the Holy Angels??
I suggest that that is flawed theology that we had been taught?
--Elijah
Jesus may well know the timing of His return; we're just not told, but I wonder why He didn't reveal it through His angel to John in Revelation?
Sinthesis
Member
Just read all of Isaiah 19 again. It describes a journey for Egypt from burden to blessing in which they would be conquered just as Assyria and Judah were. Yet this tradgedy would turn them to the God of Israel. Smite then heal. The final verse divides God's blessed peoples into three categories based on biblical history.
- Egypt my people (see Egypt under Joseph's authority) those who fear God.
- Assyria the work of my hands (see Jonah's task at Nineveh) those who repent before God.
- Israel mine inheritance (see Jesus' gospel) those who give themselves to God.