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If a person can give up salvation at any point then has he got saved in the first place?
One person was arguing with me about this but is this logic possible?
Hard to derive a strong doctrinal stance from a parable, I think. It does seem clear that if one does not forgive others, they will not be forgiven.In the parable of the unmerciful servant who had his forgiveness rescinded because he did not reciprocate that forgiveness to a fellow servant, did the King really forgive him to begin with, or not? What does the text say?
If a person can give up salvation at any point then has he got saved in the first place?
One person was arguing with me about this but is this logic possible?
Hi jona. No, a born again christian cannot lose his salvation.
What is the source of our being "born from above" or "born anew." The Greek doesn't translate to "born again," that's a common misconception.Hi jona. No, a born again christian cannot lose his salvation.
Please post the scriptures that support your statement.
JLB
What is the source of our being "born from above" or "born anew." The Greek doesn't translate to "born again," that's a common misconception.
If a person can give up salvation at any point then has he got saved in the first place?
One person was arguing with me about this but is this logic possible?
Hard to derive a strong doctrinal stance from a parable, I think. It does seem clear that if one does not forgive others, they will not be forgiven.
I agree, that stated outright to the disciples.
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. (Mat 6:14-15 NKJ)
Think of it this way, if a person can get a divorce at any time is he married now? The answer is yes.
Hi Butch5
How does that equate to someone losing their salvation?
Did Jesus not say to His disciples that whoever’s sins they forgive will be forgiven in Heaven, and whoever’s sin they do not forgive will not be forgiven in Heaven?
Would that mean they could lose their salvation?
Is un-forgiveness a sin?
Is a divorced person unmarried (separated as one flesh) in God’s eyes?
Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."
John 1:12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
Rom 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Rom 8:15-16 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Gal 4:4-5 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.
John 5:24 "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Eph 1:3-5 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.
Luke 18:9-12 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
Luke 15:7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
2 Cor 1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
1 Peter 1:5 who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Rom 8:23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
1 Cor 6:9-11 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Eph 2:4-9 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the (gift) of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
It is impossible for a person to loose their salvation. Once you have trusted how that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day, you are justified unto eternal life, being imputed with the righteousness of God, forgiven of all sin(past, present, and future), Sin will not be imputed to you, reconciled to God, having peace with God, Sanctified by the holy Spirit by being baptized into the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and are sealed unto the day of redemption by the Spirit of promise.If a person can give up salvation at any point then has he got saved in the first place?
One person was arguing with me about this but is this logic possible?
Is an unforgiven person a justified person?Is un-forgiveness a sin?
Yes, 'once you have trusted'. But if you stop trusting in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin you forfeit the justification that forgiveness secures. No forgiveness, no justification. No justification, no salvation.It is impossible for a person to loose their salvation. Once you have trusted how that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day, you are justified unto eternal life, being imputed with the righteousness of God, forgiven of all sin(past, present, and future), Sin will not be imputed to you, reconciled to God, having peace with God, Sanctified by the holy Spirit by being baptized into the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and are sealed unto the day of redemption by the Spirit of promise.
(sarcastic)Well apparently the blood of Christ covers all sin except the sin of unbelief. Sin is just to powerful. Guess the grace of God doesn't abound after all. Poor people who got deceived and fell into unbelief has no hope....I mean yea, Christ died for our sins and all, but in reality salvation is all on us(/sarcastic)Yes, 'once you have trusted'. But if you stop trusting in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin you forfeit the justification that forgiveness secures. No forgiveness, no justification. No justification, no salvation.