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Ernest T. Bass, I agree that all cannot be christians. When they all have names that either elevate a person, a particular doctrine, or type of organization or any combination thereof, they are not united in ONE Christ.

All denominations are premised on the very same claims. scripture is authoritative. We also know historically all false teachings are based on scripture. The problem is how to determine the Truth. Each group might have a tid bit of Truth, but none have the Truth. Christ prayed that His Body...

I agree with you with the exception of the darkened notation. Dead here means mortal. We live in a state of death. That is the cause of our sinninig. The influences of the flesh cause us to sin easily. It does not mean dead spiritually here.

Ernest T. Bass, that would of necessity be the logical progression if one held to Original Sin. Rom 5:12 is not about people sinning because they choose to do so. The verse is clearly stating that because of one sin entered the world and death through that sin, thus death spread to all men...

for_his_glory, Christ was not in a form of a man. If He was He could not save man, He would be worthless. Christ became like us to share in our human nature. It is that mortal nature that died, and was raised to immortality. This is why all men will also be raised in the last day. Christ...

Sin nature was adopted or used by Augustine in his debate with Pelagius. that is the beginning of the doctrine of Original Sin. The error of Pelagius is that he believed that no man was effected by any thing Adam did. He believed that we all are born just as Adam was created without a mortal...

A word of caution here. As I understand what you are saying is the perfect definition of Gnosticism. I would check out Gnosticism to see if that is actually what you want to say here.

Generally you seem to be right on in understanding scripture. However, I think you missed this one. I have not read the whole thread, but in the first three pages no one had yet even determined if we have a sin nature or not. Scripture never states that we have a sin nature. It would be an...

Evern 'supercal" would be very appropriate.

I had been thinking for some time that you have this great need to place yourself above the Apostles and the Holy Spirit who gave them ALL Truth. If the Apostles did not received God's revelation and then did not evenually write some of it down, just how do you have a Bible in the first place...

savedbygrace57, They claim it because that is what has always been taught, believed, and understood from the very beginning. You are the one that is trying to make it a myth and after a couple of years all you got so far is a statement with no evidence to prove your point. Everyone else has...

savedbygrace57, But you have also misinterpreted this verse as well. This verse is not about two different human species, actually one human and one spirit, since the devil is not even a human being. YOu have missed so wide on this one, it puts you far outside of the ball park. Scripture...

Beloved57, If you need your theology to succeed, regardless what scripture even states, you need to develop a theory that will show that a death cannot be complete. YOu need to show that Christ's death, which was for sin, could not possibly be a complete death since you claim that Christ did...

savedbygrace57, It seems that you need to persist in your error of understanding simple words. This is an equation. Unless you are prepared to show that not all men were effected by the fall of Adam and that death does not come to all men through Adam, you are teaching falsely regarding...

Then why the disagreement?

If you had actually read what I wrote, I specifically refered to our personal salvation. Christ did save us from death, He saved everyone, the world from death. That is a completed work of Christ accomplished by His resurrection. It is also true that all men will not receive this...

One possesses personal salvation upon entering into the Body of Christ by faith, repentance and baptism. But entering is just the beginning of one's salvation. If one endures the journey, then one will also inherit the promises at the end. Respective of our personal salvation, God cannot do...

the primary purpose of the Church is to save. Christ left us his Body so that we could become members of it which constitutes being IN Christ. Christ is the Church. He is the Head over His Body. We as individuals are not the body, but members of that Body. Believers are united IN Christ and it...

John 8:23, these texts all support what I stated. They are all speaking of a spiritual death, a relational separation. Man as a human being will not ever be destroyed. All men will be immortal and incorruptible. Hell is not living life to the fullest because it will be lived separated...

once again, nothing of substance. A lot of philosophy, nothing scirptural. You have a personal mantra which is meaningless to anyone else, again, hardly scriptural.