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John 6 makes it pretty clear that those who the Father has given to Christ will be raised up at the last day, of Christ shall lose none of them.
I just want to say that you can't lump those who believe in eternal security all together under the epithet of "OSAS". For one, not all who believe...
You are right, I leapt over that part of the passage. However, I believe that he is harking back to the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:9-15 NASB, in which case he is not talking about salvation but about relational issues. The way I read it is that if you are having a problem with someone, it...
Thank you for replying! I just wasn't sure how one got from point A to point B!
I am not in total agreement that that passage from Matthew suggests that forgiveness is revokable, since the original debt was not reinstated on the servant. The servant was thrown in jail for a different...
The point I was trying to make was that you were drawing incorrect conclusions and making inaccurate observations. You responded to Jethro with this, presumably regarding the person Jethro had responded to, not Jethro, himself:
presumably regarding the discussion points in the post Jethro was...
I don't think that denying that forgiveness is a gift has anything to do with OSAS. Can you show me how they are connected? If anything, OSAS believers would have to believe that it is a gift.
seekinghim, I am a convert from a very conservative RLDS group (a splinter group from the RLDS church), and I can say that it took a long time to get over the struggling part. Though the RLDS never had many of the more esoteric beliefs the LDS had, we still had that sense of belonging to a...
Christ's blood covers our sins. Judicially, a believer is clean before God because the payment has already been made. If the payment has already been made, how can we be condemned?
I think a lot of Christians make the error that if one is judged, that means that their salvation is in peril...
Sure it does. In John 6, Christ states that of all that the Father gives him, none will be lost. And in Romans 8 it states that all who are predestined will be called, all who are called will be justified, and all who are justified will be glorified.
So either all are predestined and called...
If God calls all to salvation, then all would be saved. Either the call goes to everyone and everyone responds, or it doesn't. There must be a reason why only some hear the call and repent. If everyone heard the same call, and it was effectual, then all would be saved. I believe that there...
Actually, many of the objections that most raise are objections to hyper-Calvinism, not Calvinism, as you have demonstrated in your list there. Most of those "objections" you listed, though, are really questions Calvinism answers, all of which are taken directly from the Bible. #5 is an...
Unfortunately (or fortunately, however you see it), John 6 also speaks to the issue of God having chosen a set of people for salvation that Jesus says he will save, and will lose none of, and he goes on to say that nobody but the ones that God draws will come to him and be saved. I don't see...
So which is it? Are all people called to salvation, or are only those who are predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son predestined? You have two contradictory statements up there (unless you are implying that God predestined everyone to be conformed to the image of His Son.)
You are isolating verse 29 from verse 30 and you can't do that. They are part of the same passage. Verse 29 does say, yes, that He did predestinate those whom he foreknew to be conformed to the image of His Son. It goes on to say MOREOVER (meaning "and in addition to that (being conformed to...
Life without God is meaningless, and Romans also teaches us that man, without God's intervention, is unwilling and unable to choose Him. If we are unable (and unwilling) to choose him, then I'd rather not have the ability to choose a different path.
But, I'd like to point out that man's will...
I agree with your assessment, Nick. It is not a salvational issue. It might alter the way we present the gospel, but it doesn't change our status with God.
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