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Israel has always had wars with their enemy. A good example was the Roman invasion in 70AD where over one million Jews were killed and Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed. During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times because they were not obedient to God. Even today they are at war against the Gentile nations as many Jews are being killed in Israel.
This song is to be sung when the ancient of Days takes His place in court. Apostate Israel has not taken the small r rock because he is yet to come and so the court has not been in session. This is the second half of the witness against them I will place the other half on in a few days..
whether Jew or Gentile there have always been both believers and unbelievers.i starlight throughout the Old Testament always had a portion who believed, Hebrews 11 has a nice listing, There always was the portion who rejected the Lord. In 1948 The AliyahApostate Israel. Where does it come from? Is it here now?
Revelation 17:7-8
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Revelation 20:1-3
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Was the apostate Israel established in 1948?
Apostate Israel. Where does it come from? Is it here now?
Revelation 17:7-8
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Revelation 20:1-3
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Was the apostate Israel established in 1948?
After the Lord’s and victory of the LambRevelation 15:1-3
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
I have seen you post this a number of time in different thread recently. That would imply that you see some significance with it.
Jerusalem has been destroyed twice. Yes, but I wonder if you understand that it was the Lord's judgement against Jerusalem that brought about the destruction.
Hosea 1:9 introduces us to Lo-Ammi or “Not my people.” This has not changed as the apostate portion those who have not been circumcised in their hearts, born again as the Lord showed Nicodemus Was an absolute requirement. This apostate portion is who are not fractured into End Times teachings and they are key to unwrapping what is taking place.There is significance of posting this even in other threads as being relevant as it shows Israels defiance of God and His judgment against them. They are Israel, but not all are of God. Dan and Ephraim are great examples of that as God has completely shut them off.
what do you think the chances of anti-christ coming out of Dan? Can’t recall the passage that says something about the star of your god dan.
What is your interpretation of Ez. 28: 9-10. He is told that he will die the death of the uncircumcised which would not matter we’re he not a member of the circumcision.Our indifference is that I don't believe antichrist/false prophet/ son of perdition will come out of Israel being a Jew, but through that of the last of the four empires. I do know he will take his seat in Jerusalem as he deceived the nations.
The prince of Tyre was not a Jew.What is your interpretation of Ez. 28: 9-10. He is told that he will die the death of the uncircumcised which would not matter we’re he not a member of the circumcision.
i want to make sure I am understanding you. You would if alive then believe a Messiah who did not fulfill the Biblical demands Messiah must fill. Any other prophecies he would not have to fulfill? Thanks
the Lord uses all types of people to illustrate spiritual lessons. the passage makes it clear that this King of Tyre is not. Gentile like those who are going to kill him. But you are missing the larger point that this being was in the Garden of Eden. The passage describes him as being dressed in the same manner as the High Priest but three of the stones representing the 12 tribes are missing just as three heads are missing in Zec. 11 and the Revelation.this is where we get the answer to when he ‘was, is not now, and will be again. He was in the Garden, he is not in the world now the Abyss, and will be again when he comes as the Jewish Messiah.The prince of Tyre was not a Jew.
Ezekiel Chapter 28:1-19 is about the fall of the Prince of Tyrus and God's judgement on him. A little history first. Tyrus was a port in Phoenicia, now modern day Lebanon. One of the main cities along the Mediterranean, north of Israel being part of the five Phoenician States. Ithobaal III was the prince/king of Tyre. In 332BC after Alexander the Great conquered Tyre the city alternated between Seleucid (Syrian Greek) and Ptolemaic (Egyptian Greek) rule. Phoenicia came under the rule of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC.
God gave the words to Ezekiel to speak against the Prine of Tyrus telling him he is so arrogant that he believes he is a god and the city of Tyre is his throne. Even though you claim to be a god you are only a mere human. You think you're wiser than Daniel and know everything. Your wisdom has made you rich as you are a clever business and extremely wealthy, but your wealth has led you to your arrogance.
You compared yourself to a god so now I, the Lord God, will make you the victim of your enemies. They will destroy all you own and will brutally kill you and the sea will be your only grave. When you face your enemies, will you still claim to be a god? They will attack you and you will suffer like any other human. Foreigners will kill you, and you will die the deaths of those who do not worship me.
Foreigners, meaning uncircumcised, undgodly, pagan idolaters, barbarians, Gentile nation.
I'm confused by what you are saying here. Could you explain it in a better way? thanks.
I dunno about in 1948, but it surely will be apostate Israel who signs the 7 year peace treaty.Apostate Israel. Where does it come from? Is it here now?
Revelation 17:7-8
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Revelation 20:1-3
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Was the apostate Israel established in 1948?
the Lord uses all types of people to illustrate spiritual lessons. the passage makes it clear that this King of Tyre is not. Gentile like those who are going to kill him. But you are missing the larger point that this being was in the Garden of Eden. The passage describes him as being dressed in the same manner as the High Priest but three of the stones representing the 12 tribes are missing just as three heads are missing in Zec. 11 and the Revelation.this is where we get the answer to when he ‘was, is not now, and will be again. He was in the Garden, he is not in the world now the Abyss, and will be again when he comes as the Jewish Messiah.
sorry I wasn’t clear. Here I try again. If you lived in the time spoken of when antichrist-Christ comes as Messiah how would you tell he was the Messiah. You never met him before. He doesn’t have any ID. How would you know Him? Same way the religious leaders tried to disprove Christ was who He claim. Messiah was not supposed to come from Nazareth. No Elijah preparing his way. What would the Jewish leaders have done if the Lord was born in what would become Europe? Yet that is exactly is taking place when the claim is anti-Christ is not a Jew. When the Lord spoke of Himself and anti-Christ He spoke of how they were “Allos” and not “Heteros.” This had nothing to do with sex. The Lord declared anti-Christ and He were Allos the same and not Heteros different.How they are the same will anti-christ will be all the things the Bible establishes for those who have never met the Messiah can identify him. I am just trying to understand your position. Thanks
I dunno about in 1948, but it surely will be apostate Israel who signs the 7 year peace treaty.
Some Jews don't even believe Israel was formed until the 67' war to retake Jerusalem. Others even believe it wasn't until Jerusalem was made the capital. And others until the Temple is rebuilt. I'm sure there are other dates that people adhere to past ,present and future inside and outside of Israel/Judaism.
Notice in Ezekiel 28:11-19 is a duel reference to Satan as in vs. 12 Ezekiel was told by God to take up a lamentation as God was expressing His grief over Ithobaal III the king of Tyre comparing him to Satan. The city of Tyre was was a neighbor of Israel and under Assyrian monarchy. Tyre was famed for the temple complex of Melkart, who was a Phoenician god of their religion, with its renowned garden enclosure as one of the most important sanctuaries in Tyre.
Not seeing any mention of three stones representing the 12 tribes or about three heads missing. Can't see what Zechariah 11 has to do with God's judgment over Tyre and Zidon as Ezekiel chapters 25-32 are prophecies God gave to Ezekiel against the foreign nations. These were not the same prophecies that were given to Judah and Jerusalem as Tyre and Zidon were north of Israel.
Shekinahglory: The guardian cherub is outfitted in the same manner as the High priest. This High Priest is different he has only nine of the twelve stones in his breastplate. It is known that three shepherds will be plucked out and are missing in the end times
If I am still alive when the son of perdition takes his seat in Jerusalem claiming he is Christ I would know he is not the Messiah come as Jesus has already taught us what to look for as things that will come first before His return.
Shekinahglory: Seriously? You would not hold him to the prophecies of Messiah’s birth etc.if you were one of the elect of that day who at that point still waiting for Messiah prebelieving. The religious leaders tried using Nazereth against Him asking if anything good come out of Nazareth. Never seeing the irony and error that Nazareth means Branch and here was the Branch out of dry ground.
Who said Jesus was not to come from Nazareth and where is it written that antichrist will be a Jew? When the angel came to Joseph while they were in Egypt the angel told him to take the young child Jesus and his mother Mary and go into the land of Israel. So, they came into the land. Being warned of God in a dream Joseph heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go any further and went to Galilee and dwelt in the city called Nazareth, Matthew 2:19-23.
Allos is another of the same source as he will appear as Christ using lying signs and wonders that will appear to others that he is Christ as many will bow down to him and take the mark of this beast, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; Rev 13. This is how Satan works through the son of perdition who is the last antichrist being a Gentile that went out of Israel who once lived in Israel, 1 John 2:18, 19.
Shekinahglory: these Orthodox Jews are not going to accept a Gentile Messiah. The Son of Perdition is anti-Christ. Scripture tells us that Satan is the father of The Lie just as God the Father is Father of The Truth. Anti-Christ is the Son of Perdition as Christ is the Son of Heaven. There is Scripture pointing to Judas being, anti-christ, the Son of Perdition the son of Satan. I doubt if you could find a Jewish person in or out of Israel that would accept a Gentile as Messiah. All the Rabbinic writings are clear Messiah is a Jew by birth.
None of us have ever seen Jesus, but will know the sign given in Matthew 24:29-31 that this is the true Christ when we see Him in the air.