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What were the days of Noah really like?

Gen. 6:1-2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Does Jude have anything to add?: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Evan as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. What does it mean, 'giants?' How are giants related to the end times? The passages reads, 'and also after that.' What do you make of that?

Num. 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight. And lets not forget about Goliath.

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/43/
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/22/

Really, what do you think the days of Noah were like?

When the Bible tells us Noah was perfect in his generations (tamin=without blemish, physical perfection, and not moral. Ex. 12:5; 29:1. Lev. 1:3, 10; 3:1, 6; 4:3, 23, 28, 32; 5:15, 18; 6:6; 9:2, 3; 14:10; 22:19; 23:12, 18. Num. 6:14; 28:19, 31; 29:2, 8, 13, 20, 23, 29, 32, 36. Ezek. 43:22, 23, 25; 45:18, 23; 46:4, 6, 13) do you believe he was morally pure or physically pure? And what do you base this on?

Peace,

JM
 
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. What does it mean, 'giants?' How are giants related to the end times? The passages reads, 'and also after that.' What do you make of that?

after that=after their destruction by the Flood, there was a second influx of Fallin angels.
from EW Bullingers Companion bible
http://www.docrob.100megsfree5.com/appe ... pend25.htm

sons of God=angels
The sons of God came unto the daughters of men and their progeny is called "Nephilim" (translated giants-fallen ones)

Deut 3:11
11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

1 Sam 17:4
4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

The sons of Cain are called "kenites" Cain was a mixture of fallen angel and flesh woman (satan and Eve)

We read of them after the flood, along with the other Canaanite peoples: Kenizizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephamis, Amorites, Girgashites, Jebusites.

They were to be cut off, driven out, and utterly destroyed. Why? Because they were the offspring of the fallen angels and flesh woman. They were an abomination. An unnatural being.

Jude 1:6-7
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

THE NEPHILIM, OR "GIANTS" OF GEN. 6

The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen. 6, and Ap. 23) are called in Gen. 6, Ne-phil-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Gen. 3:15).

This was why the Flood was brought "upon the world of the ungodly" (2Pet. 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14).

But we read of the Nephilim again in Num. 13:33 : "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen. 6:4, where we read : "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).

So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.

As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen. 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated : "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen. 14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim.

In ch. 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen. 15:19-21; cp. Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23. Deut. 7; 20:17. Josh. 12:8).

These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut. 20:17. Josh. 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Josh. 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judg. 1:19, 20, 28, 29, 30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.

As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num. 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them.

From Deut. 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (v. 20, 21) and Avim, &c.

As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned : but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". These Rephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa. 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. 19, where it is rendered "the dead").

It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Ps. 88:10. Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isa. 14:8; 26:19).

It is rendered "deceased" in Isa. 26:14.

It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen. 14:5; 15:20. Josh. 12:15 (marg.). 2Sam. 5:18, 22; 23:13. 1Chron. 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (marg.). Isa. 17:5.

In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen. 6:4; Num. 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv).

It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen. 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emim were in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen. 14:5).

Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen. 35:27. Josh. 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deut. 2:10, 11, 21, 22, 23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num. 13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deut. 3:11.

Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem.

Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by the Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Num. 13:22.

If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day?

Moreover, we have in these mighty men, the "men of renown," the explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology. That mythology was no mere invention of the human brain, but it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings; and was gradually evolved out of the "heroes" of Gen. 6:4. The fact that they were supernatural in their origin formed an easy step to their being regarded as the demi-gods of the Greeks.
How are giants related to the end times?

The third influx is comeing when the Fallen Angels are kicked out with Satan. Rev 12:7-9

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

marrying to whom? (Gen 6) To filthy Fallen angels, they are after the "bride of Christ". They want to seduce her. But I think it will only be to spiritually seduce the woman. There will be not need then to polute her seed by having children. There wouldn't be enough time for any births of more Giants anyway for Satan only has a short time.

Sons of God AP 23
http://www.docrob.100megsfree5.com/appe ... pend23.htm

do you believe he was morally pure or physically pure? And what do you base this on?

Genesis 6:9 "These are THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH; Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Hoah walked with God."

The term, "and perfect in his generations," is referring only to his ancestry. Both Noah, and his wife came from families which are recorded in the scriptures, as not mixing with the fallen angels. Neither of them had a drop of angels blood in their veins.

The word "generations" in the Heb # 8735 and comes from the Hebrew prime; "Toledoth", and means family tree, or history. When we take "family history called "perfect", in the Hebrew text it is called "tamin", that family is "without blemish as to breed, or pedigree".

This verse does not speak of Noah's moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family had preserved their pedigree, and kept it pure, inspire of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels, [their children were called "Nephilim"].
 
Interesting. However, angels cannot procreate as they are neither male nor female and they are spirit beings. However, with their superior intelligence, they can teach men how to corrupt the seed, that is the DNA.

We see today, the same thing happening, just like the days of Noah - Genetic engineering:

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The mighty men, men of renown:

So it is already possible to alter the genetic properties of living animals, some of whom have genetic makeups similar to that of humans. It's only a small leap from here to tampering with human genetics. Humans could be genetically altered to jump higher, see farther, hear better or run faster. Before these super humans can be created, though, we have to learn more about the human genetic code.

One method that could soon be used to manipulate human genetics is called germline gene therapy, and would involve adding an additional step to PGD. Beyond just screening embryos, germline therapy would actually add new genes to the cells. It's possible that almost any trait could be added to an embryo to create a tailor-made child.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/designer-children3.htm

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Mighty Mouse

Modified Mice Stay Super-Fit -- Without Exercise
Bijal Trivedi
for National Geographic News

August 25, 2004

The super-rodents can run farther and about an hour longer than average mice. The new rodents also appear to resist weight gain in the complete absence of exerciseâ€â€even when fed a high-fat diet that led normal mice to become obese.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...athon_mice.html

Green Lantern

The paw of a mouse (in ordinary light on the left) glows when seen under fluorescent light (image on right), demonstrating that the animal's body cells contain a gene from a jellyfish. The dark image in the center is of a paw of a mouse that has not been "infected" with the jellyfish glowing material and therefore it remains dark under fluorescent light. Researchers found that the successful transfer of the jellyfish gene to mice made almost all tissues of the animal fluorescent

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...11_genmice.html

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We now know, this is very much possible to create superhumans by genetic manipulation.

Just what Sodom and Gamorrah did, it is happening today again, going after strange flesh - mixing human DNA with animals through cloning techniques, the chimeras:

Animal-Human Hybrids Spark Controversy

Maryann Mott
National Geographic News

January 25, 2005

Scientists have begun blurring the line between human and animal by producing chimerasâ€â€a hybrid creature that's part human, part animal.

Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...5_chimeras.html

"One doesn't have to be religious or into animal rights to think this doesn't make sense," he continued. "It's the scientists who want to do this. They've now gone over the edge into the pathological domain."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...chimeras_2.html

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Ecc 1:9 What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun.
 
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quote="strengthened"]Interesting. However, angels cannot procreate as they are neither male nor female and they are spirit beings. However, with their superior intelligence, they can teach men how to corrupt the seed, that is the DNA.

Oh but the angels were Male!

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 6:1-4
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,


" flesh 'woman'...a womb (incubator) and an egg (fruitful or fertile place).

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

The "sons of God" refers to the "giants", which are nephiyl ...'fallen angels'.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


These supernatural fallen angels "came in unto" speaks of 'entering within'.
Now, this does not necessarily speak of physical copulation, but could be just as it says...'entering within'.


"and they bare children to them"
Yes, these women were impregnated....but was it the natural flesh act of copulation or was it more on the order of a cloning 'in vitro fertilization' ?

in vitro fertilization
a specialized technique by which an ovum, esp. a human
one, is fertilized by sperm outside the body, with the
resulting embryo later implanted in the uterus for gestation.

Now, this is important: "the same became mighty men [gibbor] which were of old, men of renown".

These fallen angels bypassed God's Divine Law concerning the method by which a soul could be in the flesh.

These were not born innocent, but cloned themselves bodies, which were incubated in the womb of woman, causing a distorted type of earthly flesh. And, these fallen angels were then able to retain their extraordinary powers and abilities.

Why did they want to be in the flesh?
They wanted to sire children, creating family lines that would bring forth Satan's evil plan and lineage.

Not all of these fallen angels went only unto the 8th day flesh man, but also to 6th day peoples as well.
"There were giants in the earth in those days".
 
Oh but the angels were Male!

God is not an angel, my friend.

Angels cannot marry and have children, they are neither male nor female to make reproduction possible like humans as they are spirits. They have the character attributes of male, but I do not think that they can have children and multiply.

What they can only do is to tempt people into doing sinful things. Man has a choice, they can either follow the tree of life or the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

It is written:

Mt 22:30 - For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

The "sons of God" refers to the "giants", which are nephiyl ...'fallen angels'.

Angels as sons of God? There is no verse in the Bible which states that. There are no angels called son at any time and anywhere.

It is written:

Heb 1:5 - For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Those who are in Jesus Christ and have the Holy Spirit in them are called "sons of God":

It is written:

1Jo 3:1 - Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Php 2:15 - That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1Jo 3:2 - Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


Just like in Genesis, God's spirit is in man:

It is written:

Old testament:

Ge 6:3 - Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

New testament:

1Co 6:19 - Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?


The sons of God are men not angels. When God's Holy Spirit abides in man, they are called the "sons of God".

It is written:

Eph 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Ge 6:6 - And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.


We are not to grieve the Holy Spirit of God, otherwise if we continue on sinning, the wrath of God stays with us, just like in the days of Noah so will the end be.

So, all the verses above explains who are the "sons of God". It is simply men with God's Holy Spirit.

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Regarding the Nephilim, the giants, mighty men, men of renown, it seems that these type of human were called Nephilim. They were still men, but they were mighty. How were they produced? Since the Bible clearly states that the sons of God are not angels and that angels cannot marry and given into marriage, how then they are produced?

Did the angels became men and have reproductive organs? Sounds wrong.

Did men simply lay with his wife and have children? Sounds correct.

Then who are the Nephilims? Where did they come from?

The only probable way is through genetic manipulation. The angels having superior intelligence tempted men and gave them forbidden knowledge in how to corrupt the seed, the DNA. The angels might have deceived them and enticed them by appealing to their flesh - vanity, pride, ego and by doing that, their children will be intelligent, stronger, mightier, beautiful and etc, a tailor made child. All vanities.

It is scientifically possible now:

The mighty men, men of renown:

So it is already possible to alter the genetic properties of living animals, some of whom have genetic makeups similar to that of humans. It's only a small leap from here to tampering with human genetics. Humans could be genetically altered to jump higher, see farther, hear better or run faster. Before these super humans can be created, though, we have to learn more about the human genetic code.

One method that could soon be used to manipulate human genetics is called germline gene therapy, and would involve adding an additional step to PGD. Beyond just screening embryos, germline therapy would actually add new genes to the cells. It's possible that almost any trait could be added to an embryo to create a tailor-made child.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/designer-children3.htm
 
God is not an angel, my friend.

Never said God is an angel, that would be blasphemy!


Mt 22:30 - For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

"in the resurrection"
Notice this is in heaven, not on earth. In the eternity we are "gender less", but every Angel thats been seen on earth is always a young men. Acts 1:10, and what does Gabriel mean? Man of GOD.

Angels as sons of God? There is no verse in the Bible which states that. There are no angels called son at any time and anywhere.

Sons of God is a phrase with three different meaning.

In the book of Job the phrase is used for angelic or nonhuman beings.
These sons of God presented themselves before GOD in what is called a heavenly assembly. Satan appeared with them, although this doesn't mean he was one of the "sons of God."

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


The Angels are called the 'sons of God' and He also calls them 'Stars' also.

What do you think we are called when we are in heaven? The "sons of God"and stars.
We are also called the "sons of God "on earthly flesh also as you stated.

The sons of God are men not angels. When God's Holy Spirit abides in man, they are called the "sons of God".
So, all the verses above explains who are the "sons of God". It is simply men with God's Holy Spirit.

In the New testament as a name for people who are in a covenant relationship with GOD as you pointed out. Which the second meaning of Sons of GOD.

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

We are His, as far as ownership.

In Gen 6:1-4 The question centers on the identity of these sons of God mentioned.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

first estate=heaven
 
Never said God is an angel, that would be blasphemy!


Oh but the angels were Male!

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Your reply was followed by the verse above, suggesting God is an angel. Maybe I misunderstood you. Sorry.

"in the resurrection"
Notice this is in heaven, not on earth. In the eternity we are "gender less", but every Angel thats been seen on earth is always a young men. Acts 1:10, and what does Gabriel mean? Man of GOD.

Humans can procreate. They have reproductive organs. Angels do not. They have characteristics of male but they are neuter. They were not created to multiply. When we are resurrected, we shall be like the angels, neither marrying or given into marriage. We no longer can procreate with our glorified bodies. We are like the angels, but we are the "sons of God" and not angels.

In Acts 1:10 - The angel Gabriel or any angel was not even mentioned there, but 2 men dressed in white apparel.

It is written:

Acts 1

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


Note : Two men. Who are these two men with the Lord? Let us search the Bible.

It is written:

Matthew 17

1 And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain apart. 2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light. 3 And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Eli'jah, talking with him

Mark 9

4 And there appeared to them Eli'jah with Moses; and they were talking to Jesus. 5 And Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is well that we are here; let us make three booths, one for you and one for Moses and one for Eli'jah."


So now, the two men can be identified as Moses and Elijah talking with the Lord.


The Angels are called the 'sons of God' and He also calls them 'Stars' also.

What do you think we are called when we are in heaven? The "sons of God"and stars. We are also called the "sons of God "on earthly flesh also as you stated.

The verses in Job which you quoted tells a day where the "sons of God" were presented to the Lord and it does not say that they were physically present before the Lord, otherwise they will be communicating with the Lord, face to face. Satan was there to accuse them, our brethrens and he was there face to face with the Lord to talk to Him. One of the "sons of God" is Job and also those like him that was presented before the Lord. They were "presented" and not being present as only satan talked with God.


It is written:

Rev. 12:10

And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.


Day and night, satan accuses us before our God.

Going back to Job:

Job 2:3

And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil? He still holds fast his integrity, although you moved me against him, to destroy him without cause."


The verse above tells us that satan is accusing Job and that Job will forsake God if all that he has will be destroyed.

As it is written:

Job 2:4

Then Satan answered the LORD, "Skin for skin! All that a man has he will give for his life.

Job 2:5

But put forth thy hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face."


The "sons of God" still are men who has the Holy Spirit, men who fears and follows God with all love and honor, that includes Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Noah, Enoch, Seth, Amos, Habbakuk, Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, everyone who follows the Lord and all those who love him with all their heart, with all their strength, and with all their mind.

Never in the verses of Job and the whole Bible tells us that the sons of God are angels. Otherwise, the book of Hebrews will contradict everything where it says that :

It is written:

Heb 1:5 - For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?


The fallen angels are demons who belong to the kingdom of satan. There are here on Earth to torment men, tempt them, deceive them, posses them and all the evil works of the world are their ideas - cloning, genetic engineering, nuclear bomb, pornorgraphy, cults, hatred, abortion, war. They left their own habitation and mind the things of men.

It is always men's choice to follow God - the tree of life or Satan - the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
 
Acts 1

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Note : Two men. Who are these two men with the Lord? Let us search the Bible.

These are two Angels, you can tell by their White apparel. It didn't say they were Moses and Elijah. The transfiqured body is always shining.
God always uses two witnesses Gen 19:1, John 20:12, Moses and Aaron as a type(example 1 Cor 10:6)

Compare to Acts 10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,

bright=shining Gr lampros #2985

The verses in Job which you quoted tells a day where the "sons of God" were presented to the Lord and it does not say that they were physically present before the Lord, otherwise they will be communicating with the Lord, face to face. Satan was there to accuse them, our brethrens and he was there face to face with the Lord to talk to Him. One of the "sons of God" is Job and also those like him that was presented before the Lord. They were "presented" and not being present as only satan talked with God.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Now there was a day [03117] yowm
when the sons [01121] ben
of God [0430] 'elohiym
came [0935] bow'
to present [03320] yatsab
themselves before the LORD, [03068] Y@hovah
and Satan [07854] satan
came [0935] bow'
also among [08432] tavek
them.

Hebrew for 0935 came
bow' {bo}


TWOT - 212 a primitive root

1) to go in, enter, come, go, come in

a) (Qal)

1) to enter, come in

2) to come

a) to come with

b) to come upon, fall or light upon, attack (enemy)

c) to come to pass

3) to attain to

4) to be enumerated

5) to go

b) (Hiphil)

1) to lead in

2) to carry in

3) to bring in, cause to come in, gather, cause to come, bring near, bring against, bring upon

4) to bring to pass

c) (Hophal)

1) to be brought, brought in

2) to be introduced, be put

to present for yatsab (Strong's 03320)
Hebrew for 03320

Pronunciation Guide
yatsab {yaw-tsab'}
TWOT - 894 a primitive root
Part of Speech
v
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to place, set, stand, set or station oneself, present oneself
a) (Hithpael) to station oneself, take one's stand, stand, present oneself, stand with someone

Job 2:3

And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil? He still holds fast his integrity, although you moved me against him, to destroy him without cause."

The verse above tells us that satan is accusing Job and that Job will forsake God if all that he has will be destroyed.

Satan is our accuser you bet! But Job Never did forsake GOD. What does the Book of Job have to do with the book of Hebrews anyway?

The fallen angels are demons who belong to the kingdom of satan. There are here on Earth to torment men, tempt them, deceive them, posses them and all the evil works of the world are their ideas - cloning, genetic engineering, nuclear bomb, pornorgraphy, cults, hatred, abortion, war. They left their own habitation and mind the things of men.

Yes Satan is Prince of the power of the Air (spirit) and his evil spirits can only come here now in spirit.

But Gen 6 Was Satan's attempt to distroy, polute the seed of the woman. And he is after the Bride of Christ in these end times.
 
I think we're going in a merry go round discussion here, although interesting. lolz.

What is more important is for us to be prepared for our Lord Jesus Christ, to practice righteousness and good works for God to please Him always. Always staying humble, without pride and ego in our hearts. To apply the wisdoms written in proverbs in our everyday life, so we will be aware and not fall into a snare. To always rely on Him and put our full faith and confidence in Him when trials comes into our life and in times of blessings as well. To sing praises to His name and glorify God.

To always thank God in every circumstances and to aknowledge Him always and forever. To love God with all our hearts, with all our mind, with all our strength and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

Knowledge puffs up but love edifies.

May God always bless you and protect you my friend.
 
I think we're going in a merry go round discussion here, although interesting. lolz.
LOL yes, very good excercise for the brain! And you are a good student! I don't find many that can test my Okra!

Psa 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

Amen
 
I've been to many forums discussing many topics in the Bible. All I got was a headache. Some topics are really interesting to discuss, but as a christian, do I really edify my neighbor and to impart righteousness?

Some discussions can get really heated up and christians end up getting hurt and confused in the process. I think God is not well pleased with this.

I found a better way and that we should all focus on Jesus Christ. To preach the gospel and to invite people to His kingdom.

In Jesus Christ always and forever.

God bless you, brother.
 
1Th 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
All we can do is edify the manymembered body and set the example for others by being a Christian.

Some discussions can get really heated up and christians end up getting hurt and confused in the process. I think God is not well pleased with this.
He is not happy with that behavior. There's nothing wrong with a discussion, meaning we should be able to talk and carry on a conversation with other Christians. But if a discussion gets heated up to a point of name calling, and being hurtful etc. Then we turn the other cheek Matt 5:39.

Christ told us not to cast our beautiful pearls of Wisdom before swine also. Matt 7:6

Maybe being a evangelist is your gift? Preaching the good news of salvation to others. :)
 
I listened to the links JM supplied (they are audio messages) about these beings. They have a point. I do believe these were fallen angels. I know that angels do not procreate, but those are the angels that "keep their estate". These fallens ones "kept not their first estate".

The gentlemen of this website also brings up the subject of the book of Enoch. That's the book I always used to shed more light on this topic. Otherwise, one would have to take that valuable document, which some have believed in and quoted, and sweep it under the rug. Sometimes the search for truth requires we take everything into the balance and not totally dismiss something. I understand that some facts can be embellished or twisted, but in the case of Enoch, he did an excessive commentary on these beings--- one does not go to bed and just dream these up in that detail. It was seemingly understood from times past that these "sons of God" were angels.

I like these subjects as it touches on the esoteric that we were so told to shun in the past. However, if one cannot get the picture and understand why we are here to begin with, Christianity becomes like a Hatfield and McCoy fight that we keep participating in, but do not know the origins and roots (in other words, there's more to Christianity than just preaching Jesus' salvation).

With all this being said, now if only the gentlemen of this fine link would not deny there are lost tribes of Israel somewhere, and not sweep this subject under the rug, I'd listen to all their messages. But hey, give it time. They are on the right track--- maybe some year things will change for them.
 
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With all this being said, now if only the gentlemen of this fine link would not deny there are lost tribes of Israel somewhere, and not sweep this subject under the rug, I'd listen to all their messages. But hey, give it time. They are on the right track--- maybe some year things will change for them.

While your waiting for JM to answer I could give you some links. :angel:
The second link also talks about the book of Enoch.

http://www.biblestudysite.com/answers.htm

http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/demons.htm
 
James 3

1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness. 2 For we all make many mistakes, and if any one makes no mistakes in what he says he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also.
 
JM said:
tim_from_pa

I'm not sure what you're asking, maybe I need sleep! lol

They debunk the lost tribes of Israel teaching--- but the historical fact remains that ten tribes are separate from the Jews (Judah). When people apply all prophecy to Israel to the Jews only, one gets a messy inconsistency. That's because these prophecies are not to the Jews, but many are to the lost house of Israel. These fellows, like much of mainline Christendom, teach that the Jews are all 12 tribes.

People who like esoterica (such as this UFO topic) tend to also spend time on the fascinating subject of the lost tribes. I'm surprised they just swept that under the rug. Otherwise, they are interesting to listen to.
 
I've asked about the tribes before and didn't find much, maybe you could offer something?
 
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