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Twisted Hawk
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I can never get into death metal. For me, the lyrics are hard to understand.
Having said that, the music was good. They did a great job with the music, as it sounded great musically. I would definatlely like it if I was big into metal like this.
If you can worship with this music, go on right ahead. I can't though, so I'm not gonna listen to it often.
Having said that, the music was good. They did a great job with the music, as it sounded great musically. I would definatlely like it if I was big into metal like this.
If you can worship with this music, go on right ahead. I can't though, so I'm not gonna listen to it often.
I would use the word "Christian" VERY loosely.AskTheA said:
The following was C & P'd from wikipedia.com
In an interview, Araya believes that "...Christ came and taught us about love, about doing unto others. That was his preach: Accept each other for who we are. Live peacefully, and love one another." When asked if he believed in God, replied "I believe in a supreme being, yeah. But He's an all-loving God."[10] Araya explained that he has a "really strong belief system," and Slayer's words and images will "never interfere with what I believe and how I feel.... People are not in good shape to where they have to question their own belief system because of a book or a story somebody wrote, or a Slayer song."[9] Tom Araya also appeared in Sam Dunn's documentary Metal: A Headbanger's Journey, and was asked about his religious background, to which he commented "Catholic." He was also asked "God Hates Us All, How does it fit in?" To which Araya replied "God doesn't hate. [But] it's a great f***ing title."
Nothing about Christ's sacrifice and the idea that God is only loving is not biblical.
You make a good point about Slayer, but you do see that regardless of imagine, band name, and lyrics, you can't always tell their beleifs.
Death metal - can't understand the lyrics:
Understanding the lyrics isn't the point. Rock and roll took more sound-based vocalization from r&b music. You can hear it in Elvis' Blue Moon of Kentucky. Notice how he doens't clearly innunciate in the way the original country and western artist would have. As metal got faster, bands like Metallica came around with more barked aggressive singing. The next wave of bands wanted to play heavier and faster, and slowly it evolved into what we call "death metal vocals". Metal is now more an art style than a pop style. The musicanship is revered and the bands tour bars but the bigger ones may be in small auditoriums and whatnot. I'm acustomed to it because I started with much tamer metal in the likes of Judas Priest and that sort of thing, Black Sabbath as well. I followed the same progression with my listening to arrive at death metal, although I'm much to young to be around for the earlier stuff.
To put things in a classical sense - You don't start with John Zorn or Karlheinz Stockhausen. You may start with someone more palatable like Beethoven or Mozart or Bach.
Death metal - can't understand the lyrics:
Understanding the lyrics isn't the point. Rock and roll took more sound-based vocalization from r&b music. You can hear it in Elvis' Blue Moon of Kentucky. Notice how he doens't clearly innunciate in the way the original country and western artist would have. As metal got faster, bands like Metallica came around with more barked aggressive singing. The next wave of bands wanted to play heavier and faster, and slowly it evolved into what we call "death metal vocals". Metal is now more an art style than a pop style. The musicanship is revered and the bands tour bars but the bigger ones may be in small auditoriums and whatnot. I'm acustomed to it because I started with much tamer metal in the likes of Judas Priest and that sort of thing, Black Sabbath as well. I followed the same progression with my listening to arrive at death metal, although I'm much to young to be around for the earlier stuff.
To put things in a classical sense - You don't start with John Zorn or Karlheinz Stockhausen. You may start with someone more palatable like Beethoven or Mozart or Bach.
TheOddGoat
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Dave Slayer said:
That band is pretty terrible, I'm sorry.
Christianity does not generally facilitate good metal because it is just heartless propaganda thrown together without love. The only christian music that really matter is Bach.
The purity of a bright, satanist, nihilist or other form of atheist is really quite vital to good metal... otherwise it isn't really metal:
[youtube:31d5f5jj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q78Teqr2T6E&feature=related[/youtube:31d5f5jj]
The material focus of christianity does not mesh well with music, in general.
Just like how pop is unpleasant because it is all about materialism.
izzy
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Generally I would say music is Christian if it has solid Christian lyrics. But... is it just me or are the words in the song Slayer posted rather hard to hear? The lyrics might be fine, but I can't really tell.
The other concern I have with music is the kind of emotions it churns up in the person. Metal and hard rock has a tendency to increase the adrenaline and aggression, whereas soft piano music has a tendency to soothe and be so boring as to put one to sleep. Both kinds of music have their place and both can be glorifying to God.
When it comes to metal, I have a hard time getting into death metal or white metal even. I do, however, enjoy symphonic metal because of the melodic focus and the interplay of orchestral instruments with the electric guitars and drums. Here is a link to one of my ultimate favorite Christian metal songs by Theocracy:
[youtube:18a3xoo0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvPTU8jezTM[/youtube:18a3xoo0]
Another Christian symphonic metal song is God Has All Glory by HB:
[youtube:18a3xoo0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvGQ60_p7I[/youtube:18a3xoo0]
The other concern I have with music is the kind of emotions it churns up in the person. Metal and hard rock has a tendency to increase the adrenaline and aggression, whereas soft piano music has a tendency to soothe and be so boring as to put one to sleep. Both kinds of music have their place and both can be glorifying to God.
When it comes to metal, I have a hard time getting into death metal or white metal even. I do, however, enjoy symphonic metal because of the melodic focus and the interplay of orchestral instruments with the electric guitars and drums. Here is a link to one of my ultimate favorite Christian metal songs by Theocracy:
[youtube:18a3xoo0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvPTU8jezTM[/youtube:18a3xoo0]
Another Christian symphonic metal song is God Has All Glory by HB:
[youtube:18a3xoo0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvGQ60_p7I[/youtube:18a3xoo0]
NoMoreSilence
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Meh, if you want real Christian Metal, I'd go for Woe of Tyrants.
[youtube:2t091gfq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxhP7mB1VBE[/youtube:2t091gfq]
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Twisted Hawk
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RND said:
I ask the same thing about Cars, appliances, and clothes. With all the deaths and drunk driving incidents, I always wonder if Christians should be driving cars.
NoMoreSilence
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izzy said:
First off, I only call a band "Christian" if all the members are Christians, if they confess Christ with their mouths and act it out in their everyday lives, and if their lyrics truly speak of Christ.
God designed music to reach different people in different ways, and if it's Christian, it doesn't matter what style of music it is. If it's done to the glory of God, that's all that matters to me.
On the note of symphonic metal, I agree, it's so amazing.
izzy
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Twisted Hawk said:
I agree that for a band to be Christian they would need to be showing it in their everyday lives. For music to be Christian, however, I would say the lyrics need to be Christian. There is a fine difference. I have heard music written by Christians where the lyrics are hardly different from many secular songs (the lyrics weren't bad, just not directly Christian). I have also stumbled across one very unusual case of a German group called Enomine in which their first CD had lyrics almost entirely derived from the Bible, and very good ones at that, but it was obvious from their music videos and later CDs that the band members were not Christian themselves. On the other hand, Enomine was a music project, so that might mean that they had a number of people circulate through the group over the years with the earliest influence being Christian.
On that note, if anyone likes a darker techno/choir/Gregorian chant mix, Enomine has a very unusual sound. Check out Vater Unser (the Lord's Prayer in German) or "E Nomine Halleluja" on YouTube. Translations of their lyrics can be found with a web search.
NoMoreSilence
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On the note of techno, I merge over to electronica.
Ever noticed how every other action movie has some Andy Hunter song in it?
Gotta love it.
Christian electronica, and one of the most popular electronica artists out there.
Ever noticed how every other action movie has some Andy Hunter song in it?
Gotta love it.
Christian electronica, and one of the most popular electronica artists out there.
izzy
Member
I enjoy some techno and electronica too, though I find that some of it can be very repetitive. I have heard some of Andy Hunter's work and it is quite good. I didn't know his music was in that many action movies, though. I should look more of his music up.
One of my favorite electronica/classical groups growing up was Mannheim Steamroller. I wouldn't call it techno (it was actually classified as new age), but it had some great sounds from days when techno was just getting started, especially their Christmas albums.
Well... this thread started as a metal thread and I've obviously pulled it off topic. Sorry about that. Here's another Christian power metal song from the band Harmony in Sweden:
[youtube:18kl6lcd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQjeUVzy14[/youtube:18kl6lcd]
One of my favorite electronica/classical groups growing up was Mannheim Steamroller. I wouldn't call it techno (it was actually classified as new age), but it had some great sounds from days when techno was just getting started, especially their Christmas albums.
Well... this thread started as a metal thread and I've obviously pulled it off topic. Sorry about that. Here's another Christian power metal song from the band Harmony in Sweden:
[youtube:18kl6lcd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQjeUVzy14[/youtube:18kl6lcd]