How much more proof is needed that you are attacking the present tense for it kills your OSAS argument.
lol.
I'm not attacking the present tense of the Greek. In FACT, I've revealed how you've abused it horribly.
Professor Kenneth Wuest translated John 4:13 in this way:
“Whosoever keeps on drinking of this water shall thirst again” (his emp.). He then comments: “Continual drinking at the wells of the world never quenches the soul’s thirst for heart satisfaction” (The Practical Use of the Greek New Testament, Chicago: Moody Press, 1946, p. 43).
Dana & Mantey (two Baptist scholars) note that the “principle tense” for representing “action as continuous” is the present tense (A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament, New York: Macmillan, 1968, p. 178).
A.T. Robertson, the greatest Baptist grammarian ever, wrote: “the present tense expresses incompleted action” (A Short Grammar of the Greek New Testament, New York: Hodder & Stoughton, 1908, p. 140).
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1131-can-a-christian-ever-be-lost
I don't know the theology of any of these people, but this is what Dan Wallace says about the present tense in his text: Greek Grammar: Beyond the Basics, on p. 514:
"With reference to aspect, the present tense is internal (that is, it portrays the action from the inside of the event, without special regard for beginning or end), but it makes no comment as to fulfillment (or completion). The present tense's portrayal of an event "focuses on its development or progress and sees the occurrence in regard to it internal make-up, without beginning or end in view."
"With reference to time, the present indicative is usually present time (in reference to the speaker/writer)."
The comment by Wuest is interesting. While Jesus did use the present tense for "drinks of this water", guess what He used for "drinks the water I give"? Aorist tense. And the result: never thirst again.
Re: Dana & Mantley's comment, by "continuous action" only means occurring presently. Like a sports game. When one is watching, that IS the present tense. And the action is continuous. But, like Wallace noted, no regard for beginning or end in view. Yet we all know sports games do NOT last forever.
And Robertson's comment actually refutes the idea that one must continue to believe in order to continue to be saved by noting the present tense notes "incomplete action". iow, it does NOT mean continuous action out into the future.
And NONE of these authors said ANYTHING about results of any present tense action tied to continuous ongoing action. That's where the problem lies with your claims.
So what verse says those that do NOT have a current action of hearing and following "shall not perish"? Not one verse.
Why would anyone need such a verse. Jesus said those who are given eternal life shall never perish.
Where are the conditions for recipients of eternal life to never perish? Please point them out. And don't bother with v.27, since that verse isn't tied to never perishing, but to WHO is given eternal life.
So of one quits hearing and following, then his current action is NOT hearing and following yet John 10:28 says eternal life is given those that currently hear and follow.
Irrelevant, since Jesus clearly indicated that those GIVEN eternal life shall never perish.
That removes ANY notion of conditions on the recipients. By the MERE FACT of being given eternal life, recipients shall never perish.
No one has or can show otherwise.
This is very clear verse on eternal security. There are NO clear verses on losing salvation.
