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"All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out."
Do you hear that? All that the Father gives to Him will come to Him, and He will IN NO WISE CAST THEM OUT. That not only means that the elect are saved, and saved no matter what, but you also have to ask the question, what about the ones whom the Father didn't give to Him? What happens to them? Why didn't the Father just give everyone to Him, because that would be all that is required for them to be saved. If the Father didn't give them to Christ, then they aren't Christ's in the sense of them being His flock, and they weren't meant to be, because if they were, the Father would have given them to Him, and they would come to Him and been saved.
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this the Father's will which has sent me, that of all which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day... No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day... And He said, 'Therefore I said to you, that no man can come to me, except it were given to him by my Father."
Once again, what about the ones the Father hasn't given to Him, whose are they? Why doesn't the Father just draw everybody to Jesus and give them to Jesus so that they will be safe within His infinite saving power? Jesus answers that question in John chapter 8:
"[speaking to the Pharisees] You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world."
Hell is their place. It is where they are from, and it is where they are going. They belong there, and they don't belong to Christ, because the Father hasn't given them to Him.
"They answered and said to him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, If you were Abraham's children, you would work the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham."
He is denying that they are Abraham's children, because Abraham's children are all those who have faith in God and recieve justification by faith. These don't have saving faith, because God hasn't given it to them, because they weren't made for salvation. If they were made for salvation, then the Father would have given them to the Son, they would have come to the Son, and the Son would not have cast them out, but He hasn't so they are damned.
"You do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, "We are not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God." Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me."
Why isn't God their Father? Because they weren't made containing the capability of believing in Christ with saving faith. They don't love Christ, and they can't come to Christ, because they weren't given to Christ by the Father.
"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own; for he is a liar, and the father of it."
They belong to the devil. They do not belong to Christ in the sense that they are His flock, and that is because they weren't given to Christ by the Father. If they were given to Christ, they would come to Christ, and Christ would not cast them out, and they would be saved. All of those who the Father gives to Christ will be saved, because Christ will in no wise cast them out. So why didn't they come to Christ? Because they weren't given to Christ by the Father, and because from the foundations of the world they were ordained for hell because the Father chose to order things that way. He did it for the greater good, for His own glory, and probably for other reasons not contained in His revealed will, and He is perfectly just and righteous in doing so.
"And because I tell you the truth, you believe me not. Which of you convinces me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God hears God's words: you therefore hear them not, because you are not of God."
Those sent by the Father, drawn by the Father to the Son hear God's words. They hear the words of truth, and they come to the Son and are saved and so that the Son will in no wise cast them out. Those given to the Son by the Father are the sons of God, because they belong to God, were drawn by the Father to the Son, and they hear the truth, because they are of God. They are the elect and have been prepared by God from all eternity for glory. Those who reject the truth reject it because they aren't of God, they belong to their father the devil, the liar, because they have no truth in them, and they will do anything in their power to repress and restrain the truth, because that's what they do, as children of the devil ordained by God from all eternity for destruction and His glory.
" And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.†As it is written, “Jacob I have loved (Jacob is part of the elect, prepared from all eternity for glory), but Esau I have hated (Esau is a vessel of destruction prepared from all eternity for damnation).
The saved and the damned have been predestined to their fate by God from before the foundations of the world. It is according to God's election, as we see here. Before Jacob or Esau were born God had already hated one and loved the other, because He knew beforehand what they would do, and He had prepared one as part of His elect, and prepared one as a vessel of destruction.
"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.†So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.†Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens."
Salvation does NOT depend on human will, decision, or effort. It is purely by the grace of God through faith, which is given by God, and depends solely on the election of God and on whomever God chooses to have mercy, which are His elect. God raised up Pharoah and hardened Pharoah against Him for a purpose, so that His name would be declared in all the earth and to demonstrate His power through Him. God saves His elect, and God hardens the damned for the reasons described in the following Scripture:
"You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?†But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?†Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction (children of the devil who the Father will not give to the Son), and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory (God's elect), even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"
Many people who hear this doctrine complain that God is unrighteous in doing what He will with His own creation. They ask questions like, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will? Why have you made me like this?" But God Himself answers them through Paul, "But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?†Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?" Some men were made for salvation and for glory, and others were made for destruction and for hell. God's word declares it, and He is absolutely righteous and just in doing so.
Why, you might ask, has God chosen to prepare some from all eternity as vessels of destruction for hell? God answers once again through Paul, "What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction (children of the devil who the Father will not give to the Son), and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory (God's elect), even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"
For the same reason He hardened Pharoahs heart against Him- to make His power known and to show His wrath. Also, to make known His longsuffering, and to make known the riches of His glory to His elect, whom He has prepared beforehand for glory (this will be explained in further detail later). God is using the vessels of destruction to make known to His elect the power of His wrath. Not only will the elect see the damned, they will regularly see them and see God's wrath and power poured out onto them in the full measure of justice, fierce anger and omnipotent wrath due them all. This is made clear in Isaiah 66:
“ For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,†says the LORD,
“ So shall your descendants and your name remain.
And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,†says the LORD.
“ And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.â€Â
When the new heavens and the new earth are established, the people of God will, from one Sabbath to another and from one new moon to another, look upon the corpses of those who transgressed against Him, and they will witness with their own eyes the power of His omnipotent wrath crushing them in immeasurable agony, with perfect justice, which is what they deserved aside from God's awesome grace in Jesus Christ. When they see what they deserved, and look at the amazing graces that our Lord has lavished upon them, they will glorify God with an incredible and intensely greater glory than before, a glory which He deserves because He will make known to them very bluntly what they are without Him and His grace, namely, worms burning in hell, and they will be all the more eternally greatful for His awesome love, grace, and mercy. His unexplainable glory will be made manifest intensely through this demonstration, and their passion and love for their Savior will be eternally multiplied. God will recieve the full measure of glory that He deserves, an eternal glory, and He will see to it by using the damned in hell as a demonstration of His power, as He did with Pharoah in Egypt. The elect are not able to fully comprehend the abject terror of God's horrible wrath and power being poured out onto sinners until they see it with their own eyes, and when they do, the graces that He has given them will be greatly maginified, and they will glorify God with an eternal glory, worshipping His majesty in the perfect worship God deserves.
Do you hear that? All that the Father gives to Him will come to Him, and He will IN NO WISE CAST THEM OUT. That not only means that the elect are saved, and saved no matter what, but you also have to ask the question, what about the ones whom the Father didn't give to Him? What happens to them? Why didn't the Father just give everyone to Him, because that would be all that is required for them to be saved. If the Father didn't give them to Christ, then they aren't Christ's in the sense of them being His flock, and they weren't meant to be, because if they were, the Father would have given them to Him, and they would come to Him and been saved.
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this the Father's will which has sent me, that of all which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day... No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day... And He said, 'Therefore I said to you, that no man can come to me, except it were given to him by my Father."
Once again, what about the ones the Father hasn't given to Him, whose are they? Why doesn't the Father just draw everybody to Jesus and give them to Jesus so that they will be safe within His infinite saving power? Jesus answers that question in John chapter 8:
"[speaking to the Pharisees] You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world."
Hell is their place. It is where they are from, and it is where they are going. They belong there, and they don't belong to Christ, because the Father hasn't given them to Him.
"They answered and said to him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, If you were Abraham's children, you would work the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham."
He is denying that they are Abraham's children, because Abraham's children are all those who have faith in God and recieve justification by faith. These don't have saving faith, because God hasn't given it to them, because they weren't made for salvation. If they were made for salvation, then the Father would have given them to the Son, they would have come to the Son, and the Son would not have cast them out, but He hasn't so they are damned.
"You do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, "We are not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God." Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me."
Why isn't God their Father? Because they weren't made containing the capability of believing in Christ with saving faith. They don't love Christ, and they can't come to Christ, because they weren't given to Christ by the Father.
"You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own; for he is a liar, and the father of it."
They belong to the devil. They do not belong to Christ in the sense that they are His flock, and that is because they weren't given to Christ by the Father. If they were given to Christ, they would come to Christ, and Christ would not cast them out, and they would be saved. All of those who the Father gives to Christ will be saved, because Christ will in no wise cast them out. So why didn't they come to Christ? Because they weren't given to Christ by the Father, and because from the foundations of the world they were ordained for hell because the Father chose to order things that way. He did it for the greater good, for His own glory, and probably for other reasons not contained in His revealed will, and He is perfectly just and righteous in doing so.
"And because I tell you the truth, you believe me not. Which of you convinces me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God hears God's words: you therefore hear them not, because you are not of God."
Those sent by the Father, drawn by the Father to the Son hear God's words. They hear the words of truth, and they come to the Son and are saved and so that the Son will in no wise cast them out. Those given to the Son by the Father are the sons of God, because they belong to God, were drawn by the Father to the Son, and they hear the truth, because they are of God. They are the elect and have been prepared by God from all eternity for glory. Those who reject the truth reject it because they aren't of God, they belong to their father the devil, the liar, because they have no truth in them, and they will do anything in their power to repress and restrain the truth, because that's what they do, as children of the devil ordained by God from all eternity for destruction and His glory.
" And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.†As it is written, “Jacob I have loved (Jacob is part of the elect, prepared from all eternity for glory), but Esau I have hated (Esau is a vessel of destruction prepared from all eternity for damnation).
The saved and the damned have been predestined to their fate by God from before the foundations of the world. It is according to God's election, as we see here. Before Jacob or Esau were born God had already hated one and loved the other, because He knew beforehand what they would do, and He had prepared one as part of His elect, and prepared one as a vessel of destruction.
"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.†So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.†Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens."
Salvation does NOT depend on human will, decision, or effort. It is purely by the grace of God through faith, which is given by God, and depends solely on the election of God and on whomever God chooses to have mercy, which are His elect. God raised up Pharoah and hardened Pharoah against Him for a purpose, so that His name would be declared in all the earth and to demonstrate His power through Him. God saves His elect, and God hardens the damned for the reasons described in the following Scripture:
"You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?†But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?†Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction (children of the devil who the Father will not give to the Son), and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory (God's elect), even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"
Many people who hear this doctrine complain that God is unrighteous in doing what He will with His own creation. They ask questions like, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will? Why have you made me like this?" But God Himself answers them through Paul, "But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?†Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?" Some men were made for salvation and for glory, and others were made for destruction and for hell. God's word declares it, and He is absolutely righteous and just in doing so.
Why, you might ask, has God chosen to prepare some from all eternity as vessels of destruction for hell? God answers once again through Paul, "What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction (children of the devil who the Father will not give to the Son), and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory (God's elect), even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"
For the same reason He hardened Pharoahs heart against Him- to make His power known and to show His wrath. Also, to make known His longsuffering, and to make known the riches of His glory to His elect, whom He has prepared beforehand for glory (this will be explained in further detail later). God is using the vessels of destruction to make known to His elect the power of His wrath. Not only will the elect see the damned, they will regularly see them and see God's wrath and power poured out onto them in the full measure of justice, fierce anger and omnipotent wrath due them all. This is made clear in Isaiah 66:
“ For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,†says the LORD,
“ So shall your descendants and your name remain.
And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,†says the LORD.
“ And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.â€Â
When the new heavens and the new earth are established, the people of God will, from one Sabbath to another and from one new moon to another, look upon the corpses of those who transgressed against Him, and they will witness with their own eyes the power of His omnipotent wrath crushing them in immeasurable agony, with perfect justice, which is what they deserved aside from God's awesome grace in Jesus Christ. When they see what they deserved, and look at the amazing graces that our Lord has lavished upon them, they will glorify God with an incredible and intensely greater glory than before, a glory which He deserves because He will make known to them very bluntly what they are without Him and His grace, namely, worms burning in hell, and they will be all the more eternally greatful for His awesome love, grace, and mercy. His unexplainable glory will be made manifest intensely through this demonstration, and their passion and love for their Savior will be eternally multiplied. God will recieve the full measure of glory that He deserves, an eternal glory, and He will see to it by using the damned in hell as a demonstration of His power, as He did with Pharoah in Egypt. The elect are not able to fully comprehend the abject terror of God's horrible wrath and power being poured out onto sinners until they see it with their own eyes, and when they do, the graces that He has given them will be greatly maginified, and they will glorify God with an eternal glory, worshipping His majesty in the perfect worship God deserves.
