Can a mentally ill person be saved?

[Oats]

As many of you know I struggle with Schizophrenia, a common side effect of that is voices, delusions and anxiety. I currently take Zyprexa, but I want to go off of my medicine, thing is it doesn't work, It just makes me more depressed, though I can work through some of the delusions better.

Today at Church the voices and got so bad and blasphemous that I left immediately after service... I did not even get the opportunity to fellowship, I know if I would have stayed I would've gotten delusional

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I feel like if I continue to take medicine people will put me on the back burner, but If I go off maybe I'll get the help I need.

 

[reba]

Yes Oats and YOU are a blessing.

We worship God in Spirit and Truth.

I do pray for your healing.

 

[Oats]

Yes Oats and YOU are a blessing.

We worship God in Spirit and Truth.

I do pray for your healing.

thanks, but what do i do about my blasphemous delusions?

out of respect, should i even attend church?

 

[Christ_empowered]

I hear voices, too. My choice has been to find a medication that works and doesn't cause too many problems (in my case Abilify), go to therapy, and try to pursue God as best I can. God understands that we live in a fallen world and that you may not always be able to feel connected, but remember that God is with you even when (perhaps especially when) you suffer. Its understandable that you didn't go to after church fellowship and God understands that your suffering might make usual church activities difficult, but don't think that you can't be saved because of your affliction. Sometimes, those who suffer the most are the ones who are able to use their suffering to get closer to God. It may not happen immediately, but I think (and have found, through experience) that if you hand it over to God, He will use the terrible things in your life--both those that are your own fault and those that are simply the result of living in a fallen world--for your benefit and for His glory.

 

[reba]

thanks, but what do i do about my blasphemous delusions?

out of respect, should i even attend church?

Yes.
I know it is different and folks think of mental illness as different. I had cancer should i not attend church because i had a tumor? Our God is a wonderful God He looks on our hearts not our brains.

Other Christians need to be open to folks that have illnesses. We too often want force them to hide.

I would not have gone to church if i was having a ugly time with chemo. Bald headed was bad enough i would not want to puke on some one.... Not knowing about your illness, do you kinda know when bad times are coming? Maybe if you know an episode is coming on for that one service stay home. Over all you belong in church.

There is not a person setting in any church that does not have some kind of a problem. You are not alone. We are just different flowers in God's garden.. Roses are beautiful but like all of us they have thorns.

 

[Hitch]

thanks, but what do i do about my blasphemous delusions?

out of respect, should i even attend church?

LISTEN TO MOTHER REBA

Just take some time to inform the leadership since your troubles are unusual.

 

[Oats]

well I think going off the medicine would help me to fix the constant problem...

I know I belong in the house of God but I've become so cynical and inwardly rebellious I just want to end it sometimes...

 

[Zyrenah]

In my experience, stopping taking ones medication never helps. It might seem like the better thing to do, but then everything just comes back and you are taken back a few steps.

If this medication isn't working, and you are still hearing voices and having delusions - talk to someone about trying new medication. Risperidone is good for delusions, or Clopixol.

Don't just give up! You need to be positive and keep going. You will get there.

Of course you will be saved - you have faith, that shows through you attending church.

 

[Lewis]

Stopping your medication is not going to help man, if that medication is not working, you get the doctor to try something else, and you know that I know about mental illness. Some people must be on medication. Now have you ever talked to a pastor or someone who deals with demon possession, I am not trying to be funny here, but many, many times this is the case, and sometimes it is just plain clinical. When you get in church and your illness starts to scream at you more, and nasty dirty, and all kinds of thoughts come at you, it is good to have yourself checked out by Christian who deal with this. I am serious and I am not trying to be funny. Usually when you get around other Christians it will get worse, verbal outburst, violence, curse words, etc, or sometimes they will hide.

 

[Chris]

thanks, but what do i do about my blasphemous delusions?

out of respect, should i even attend church?

I have said this before on here Christianity is like getting into a shower you clean up in it. Nobody expects anyone to have had a bath first before they get in. church is the same. If your baggage going into church is bad thoughts thoughts that my be a lot better than some other peoples sinful realities they are trying to escape or improve from. There might be people next to you secretly having affairs or other problems people have. Everyone has unseen struggles too, though with mental illness it may be harder to disguise it.


As for people not understanding or tolerating. Most will be cool but as it is with everything not all people are made the same and will not be able respond to you the way you might like because they wont understand ( i find that's the minority). Find the ones you want to befriend and hang around those.

 

[Lewis]

Chris this brothers problem is a little deeper than that, he needs to see some people who deal with unclean spirits, to include or exclude. Because this could be like I said demonic or clinical. Nobody wants to hear about the demonic driving them, but it is real and many times, if medication does not help, that is the case, because it is spiritual, and they do not want to give up this body. I have seen it to many times in my life.

 

[Oats]

or could it just be that the medicine doesn't work?

I doubt its demon possesion...many schizophrenic have the same problem...but i'm not gonna drown it out with medicine i'm gonna work through it....

my church doesn't cast out demon btw...i dont think its necessary

 

[Chris]

or could it just be that the medicine doesn't work?

I doubt its demon possesion...many schizophrenic have the same problem...but i'm not gonna drown it out with medicine i'm gonna work through it....

my church doesn't cast out demon btw...i dont think its necessary

Oats dude A christian CANNOT be possessed by a demon some oppression is possible. If God allows it.
If you have the holy spirit in you and from what i have seen you do.
If you had a demon in you there is no way a christian chat site would appeal to you. It would more likely have you go to a porn site or a bad place. Demons want your life to decay. Christ wants it to involve him. Dude you got the spirit of God in you there is too much kindness in you.

Christians take no nonsense off demons you gotta trust that. If you are part of god and he is a part of you, how could a created demon rule the creator of the universe?
Things aren't always gonna go right, god will allow stuff

Romans 8:28
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

if yuo alow yourself to think demons are all powerful and can control us they have won and done thier job.

chin up dont worry bout em offer yourself to Jesus as his servant and he will pave the way clean of those.
Christianity powers along they cant stop it or you.

you have the spirit of god in you via Jesus the Holy Spirit is not oppressed by demons.
we walk in power not fear or weakness. go dude claim your life and dont take no nonsense.

being told your full of demons is just gonna load you up with more confusion and you don't need that.

 

[Fembot]

I agree that strongholds may be a part of your medication not working. I wouldn't recommend going off your meds Oats. However, I do feel that you should contact a preacher who is more knowledgeable on the topic than your current one.
Stephen Strader has a good book on strongholds as well. Let us know if you find a preacher and how you feel after meeting with him or her.

 

[Chris]

I agree that strongholds may be a part of your medication not working. I wouldn't recommend going off your meds Oats. However, I do feel that you should contact a preacher who is more knowledgeable on the topic than your current one.
Stephen Strader has a good book on strongholds as well. Let us know if you find a preacher and how you feel after meeting with him or her.

Its a good idea to do that for sure I have. but my fear is Christians allowing themselves the fanciful idea that demon can control them. For a non christian maybe but for a baptized new creation in Christ..no chance! If your talking to the lord in prayer you are talking to the LORD in prayer not the devil.

Psalm 121

A song of ascents. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16083">1</sup> I lift up my eyes to the mountains—
where does my help come from?
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16084">2</sup> My help comes from the LORD,
the Maker of heaven and earth.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16085">3</sup> He will not let your foot slip—
he who watches over you will not slumber;
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16086">4</sup> indeed, he who watches over Israel
will neither slumber nor sleep.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16087">5</sup> The LORD watches over you—
the LORD is your shade at your right hand;
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16088">6</sup> the sun will not harm you by day,
nor the moon by night.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16089">7</sup> The LORD will keep you from all harm—
he will watch over your life;
<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-16090">8</sup> the LORD will watch over your coming and going
both now and forevermore.





Isaiah 41:10
So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

 

[AKJVReader]

Can i ask what sort of Church do you go to? It could be that God wants you out of the place. I have had bad thoughts in some Churches too. When i wasn't there i didn't have them. The Lord is saying to you to leave your Church? Anyway.

Get rid of the bad thoughts the Biblical way!

Ephesians 6:
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Use that sword (the word of God) against the enemy!

Psalm 22:
19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

Psalm 33:
20 Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield.

Psalm 40:
13 Be pleased, O LORD, to deliver me: O LORD, make haste to help me.

Psalm 71:
12 O God, be not far from me: O my God, make haste for my help.

Psalm 124:
8 Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth.

Psalm 24:
1 The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

1 Corinthians 10:
26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
28 ... for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:

Luke 10:
19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

And i have read that demons hate the book of Revelation as it mentions where they will end up.

Revelation 3:
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

i would suggest that you quote these verses and have the word of God in your heart so that you think of these passages.

 

[turnorburn]

Chris this brothers problem is a little deeper than that, he needs to see some people who deal with unclean spirits, to include or exclude. Because this could be like I said demonic or clinical. Nobody wants to hear about the demonic driving them, but it is real and many times, if medication does not help, that is the case, because it is spiritual, and they do not want to give up this body. I have seen it to many times in my life.

I agree Lewis, the sooner the better..

 

[Lewis]

I agree that strongholds may be a part of your medication not working. I wouldn't recommend going off your meds Oats. However, I do feel that you should contact a preacher who is more knowledgeable on the topic than your current one.
Stephen Strader has a good book on strongholds as well. Let us know if you find a preacher and how you feel after meeting with him or her.

Now that is what I am talking about, and also Oats are you saved, because if you are a demon can't enter into you to possess you. But they still can do much damage, and I mean much. And people with a mental illness, demons seem to attack them repeatedly without ceasing. We had famous preacher come to our church 2 weeks ago named George Bloomer, and his specialty is in dealing with demons and unclean spirits. And he was telling us how he was attacked, and they even made him physically sick and mentally sick, they even contorted his face, and made him wet the bed, and affected his body. It went on for about 5 months, if I can remember right. He went into great detail he bought the bottle of Depakote that a psychiatrist had prescribed for him. But it was not clinical it was from the bad spirit world. He is free of that attack today. The bad spirit world is after your thoughts they are after your mind, Your thoughts are spirit, the Bible says to cast down every vain imagination. Imagination plays a big part of the thought process, and out of it comes some wicked things. I myself have been under attack when I was a drug addict, they can do great damage when you are under the influence, I remember a friend of mine and I were under attack and their was not a thing that we could do about it, and we knew what was attacking us. So this is real it is not a joke, I have seen demonic attack cause a murder, I think that I shared that here some years back.

 

[Oats]

Now that is what I am talking about, and also Oats are you saved, because if you are a demon can't enter into you to possess you. But they still can do much damage, and I mean much. And people with a mental illness, demons seem to attack them repeatedly without ceasing. We had famous preacher come to our church 2 weeks ago named George Bloomer, and his specialty is in dealing with demons and unclean spirits. And he was telling us how he was attacked, and they even made him physically sick and mentally sick, they even contorted his face, and made him wet the bed, and affected his body. It went on for about 5 months, if I can remember right. He went into great detail he bought the bottle of Depakote that a psychiatrist had prescribed for him. But it was not clinical it was from the bad spirit world. He is free of that attack today. The bad spirit world is after your thoughts they are after your mind, Your thoughts are spirit, the Bible says to cast down every vain imagination. Imagination plays a big part of the thought process, and out of it comes some wicked things. I myself have been under attack when I was a drug addict, they can do great damage when you are under the influence, I remember a friend of mine and I were under attack and their was not a thing that we could do about it, and we knew what was attacking us. So this is real it is not a joke, I have seen demonic attack cause a murder, I think that I shared that here some years back.

well I would consider myself saved, I am a professing Christian after all

but In some sense I do think it could be demonic... schizophrenia runs in my family, so it could be that too....

I have to find a pastor in my area....please pray that I can find one who is not out to deceive...

 

[franny50]

Schizophrenia is a clinical condition which has nothing to do with demon possession.Like a lot of other psychiatric conditions,it can be stabilized with medication.Your illness will not interfere with you being saved as the bible says;God Knows What's Inside Everymans'Heart