Christians don't reign today, but only serve

[RBDERRICK]

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Here is the only example in the gospels of a servant of the Lord on earth, that believes and behaves as one reigning and exercising authority over others.

Notice, he is one that does not wait for the Lord to come again and reign on earth with His resurrected saints. And so he takes upon himself his own reign, and begins to mock the Lord's service on earth by usurping lordship over others.

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

And so, we see the common manner of Christians prophecying their own reigning on earth today, with them that do not believe in the Lord's coming with power to exercise authority over all nations on earth.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

They instead mock the Lord's millennium government upon the earth, as nothing but a symbolic fable. And in their own proud imaginations, they take unto themselves a spirit-reign today in the air, that has no authority exercised on solid ground.

And since most of them are self-confessed unrepented unrighteous sinners, then no doubt if they did reign with power upon the earth, they too would begin to beat upon others, that do not agree with and obey them.

 

[journeyman]

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Here is the only example in the gospels of a servant of the Lord on earth, that believes and behaves as one reigning and exercising authority over others.

Notice, he is one that does not wait for the Lord to come again and reign on earth with His resurrected saints. And so he takes upon himself his own reign, and begins to mock the Lord's service on earth by usurping lordship over others.

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

And so, we see the common manner of Christians prophecying their own reigning on earth today, with them that do not believe in the Lord's coming with power to exercise authority over all nations on earth.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

They instead mock the Lord's millennium government upon the earth, as nothing but a symbolic fable. And in their own proud imaginations, they take unto themselves a spirit-reign today in the air, that has no authority exercised on solid ground.

And since most of them are self-confessed unrepented unrighteous sinners, then no doubt if they did reign with power upon the earth, they too would begin to beat upon others, that do not agree with and obey them.

Hello RBDERRICK.
What do you think the Lord wanted them to get more of while He was gone?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

When Jesus returns, he will return as the Lion of Judah, not the Lamb for the slaughter, and he will rule his kingdom with a rod of iron. During his ministry, Him as a suffering servant is not meant to reign, but to serve. If you think Christians ought to reign, then look no further from the infamous mad king Henry VI. He was a pious, devout Christian, but also incredibly naive and weak. Christ to him was like a sanctuary to escape from reality instead of power to face reality. He prayed for peace, he reached out to reconcile the warring factions in his court, and he expressed his forgiveness of his enemies. As the result of that, not only did he lose all the French land his father had conquered, his kingdom was torn apart by half a century's civil war known as the Wars of the Roses. He believed he was imitating Christ, but the road to hell was paved with good intentions.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Hello RBDERRICK.
What do you think the Lord wanted them to get more of while He was gone?

Receive His Spirit and do His works.

Jesus did not rule over men on earth, neither do we. He specifically declared His ministry today was not to exercise authority over others.

Christians can have governing authority over others like all men on earth today, but it man's authority. It is not the promised reign with Christ on earth.

The end of man's rule on earth is with the Lord's return, when He and His resurrected saints will govern all nations of people in righteousness with a rod of iron and right scepter.

 

[RBDERRICK]

When Jesus returns, he will return as the Lion of Judah, not the Lamb for the slaughter, and he will rule his kingdom with a rod of iron. During his ministry, Him as a suffering servant is not meant to reign, but to serve. If you think Christians ought to reign, then look no further from the infamous mad king Henry VI. He was a pious, devout Christian, but also incredibly naive and weak. Christ to him was like a sanctuary to escape from reality instead of power to face reality. He prayed for peace, he reached out to reconcile the warring factions in his court, and he expressed his forgiveness of his enemies. As the result of that, not only did he lose all the French land his father had conquered, his kingdom was torn apart by half a century's civil war known as the Wars of the Roses. He believed he was imitating Christ, but the road to hell was paved with good intentions.

True. Though specific examples are not necessary. Constantine the Great did a pretty good job of ruling.

It's not that Christians can't govern on earth today. Indeed they ought govern righteously and justly. But Christ's government will not be over all nations until His return.

At that time, good rule with be established in all places, and swift justice will be executed on all transgressors and oppressors under the King's realm over all the earth.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

 

[journeyman]

Receive His Spirit and do His works.

Jesus did not rule over men on earth, neither do we. He specifically declared His ministry today was not to exercise authority over others.

Not to excercise authority over others "as others do." He didn't mean not at all. He told people to follow Him to excercise authority over them.

Christians can have governing authority over others like all men on earth today, but it man's authority. It is not the promised reign with Christ on earth.

Yes it is because

they called them and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God judge ye, For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. Act.4:18-20 KJV

The Sanhedrin was the governing body of the Apostles at that time.

The end of man's rule on earth is with the Lord's return,

The end of mans' rule is when Christ is ruling the mans heart.

when He and His resurrected saints will govern all nations of people in righteousness with a rod of iron and right scepter.

We're been made alive. The "rod of iron" is the word of God and we govern all people the same way by it now. After the Messiah returns it's too late,

those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me. Lk.19:27 NIV

I'm just asking. Do you think our Lord wasn't ruling over the unsaved because He chose not to kill them when they sinned against Him? I'm just wondering. Do you think being given authority to speak in the name of an earthly king is nothing? We speak for King Jesus.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

True. Though specific examples are not necessary. Constantine the Great did a pretty good job of ruling.

It's not that Christians can't govern on earth today. Indeed they ought govern righteously and justly. But Christ's government will not be over all nations until His return.

At that time, good rule with be established in all places, and swift justice will be executed on all transgressors and oppressors under the King's realm over all the earth.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Government is ordained by God with one job - punish and deter evil, the sword given to the government is a symbol of civil force. This could be traced back to Gen. 9:6, where justice is demanded. Most theologians think that this is the first government in human history. In the example of Henry VI, he was carrying the sword in vain.

Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Government is ordained by God with one job - punish and deter evil, the sword given to the government is a symbol of civil force. This could be traced back to Gen. 9:6, where justice is demanded. Most theologians think that this is the first government in human history. In the example of Henry VI, he was carrying the sword in vain.

Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man.

True. And one day the promised government of the Lord of all the earth will be without the sword ever be wielded in vain.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Not to excercise authority over others "as others do." He didn't mean not at all. He told people to follow Him to excercise authority over them.

"As other do" is from you.

And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

"Not be so" is from the Lord. We are not to be exercising authority upon others, in our daily service to Christ. Exercising authoirty over others is not forbidden for His saints today, but we are not doing so with Christ in His ministry on earth.

The Lord makes no difference here between exercising authority for the good or evil. It is doing so at all in His ministry, that is forbidden. Ruling with government authority and power as ministers of Christ, is the great error of popes and kings converting by force of law.

The service and ministry of the Lord is the subject at hand, not having and exercising authority on earth today, whether at home, in government, or business. Reigning with Christ is in His kingdom rule and power, which not be until He returns to establish His kingdom of heaven on earth by force of law.

No man on earth ever has, nor will ever reign with the Lord Himself on earth, until He comes again to resurrect His saints bodily and do so.

Yes it is because

they called them and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

Evil use of authority. Which proves beyond doubt, that neither the Lord nor His resurrected saints are reigning on earth yesterday nor today.

Otherwise, the apostles would have unseated the evil priests and rulers of their own day.

But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God judge ye, For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. Act.4:18-20 KJV

That is the ministry and service of Christ today for His body on earth: to defy man's ruling authority, if necessary, including being executed for it.

Which is another proof that neither Christ reigned as Lord on earth, nor His saints following. Else they had not been crucified on crosses unjustly, by evil rulers remaining on earth then and now.

Those who 'spiritualize' the promised Millenniual reign of the Lord and His ressurrectd saints, both inflate themselves above the Lord's walk on earth, as well as belittle the prophesied reign to come walking all over the earth with governing power.

The end of mans' rule is when Christ is ruling the mans heart.

The end of man's age of rule on earth, is when Christ returns to rule over all men and nations on earth.

Christ ruling the hearts of men today, is not even His saints reigning with Christ on earth, because we crucify our own rule in life for His sake.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Even as today, there will be plenty of unruly hearts in His Millennium, but no unruly deeds shall go unpunished.

We're been made alive. The "rod of iron" is the word of God and we govern all people the same way by it now.

When any ruler on earth obeys your government, let me know. Then I'll be making requests to you for others to unseat.

After the Messiah returns it's too late,

It will be too late to repent and be justified by Him when He returns to earth, in order to be ressurected with Him in the air.

those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me. Lk.19:27 NIV

True. At His return and 1000 year reign over all the earth.

Unfortunately, this has not happened yet, because His rule over all the earth is not come yet.

I'm just asking. Do you think our Lord wasn't ruling over the unsaved because He chose not to kill them when they sinned against Him?

Our Lord has not yet come to the earth to govern as King, and exercising immediate authority and swift execution for anyone transgressing His law.

You are trying to equate the Lord God of all the earth, having power to do as He will yesterday and today, with the day when He will exeercise that power pesonally, immediately, and in full site of all men.

Which will be when He returns with great power as lightning shine for all eyes to see.

And so, I'm asking: do you think the Lord is now ruling over all people on earth, and executing His law so that no unjust ruler is in now power that transgresses it?

If not, then He has not yet come again to the earth to do so. And if yes, then you don't believe in the prophecy of Him coming to do so.

I'm just wondering. Do you think being given authority to speak in the name of an earthly king is nothing?

Accusative question aside. Do you really believe you are now given authority by the Lord to reign with Him, and exercise it over your neighbor? Your local magistrates? You national leaders? Any ruler on the earth?

We speak for King Jesus.

We ought. Many speak for themselves, especially when it comes to doctrine and prophecy of the Lord.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us:

Paul in 1 Cor 4 is not commending Christians as reigning in this life. He is rebuking and warning the puffed up Christians, who set themselves up as reigning in Corinth. And doing so while despising the lack of reign by the apostles, and especially Paul.

Christians acting like they are reigning on earth, do so without the apostles.

And I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.

Paul plainly shows he is not reigning with anyone as a Christian nor apostle on earth. Therefore, Paul is speaking of the future reigning of resurrected saints over nations of the earth. He would to God that it was indeed now, that he might also now reign with them.

 

[journeyman]

"As other do" is from you.

And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

"Not be so" is from the Lord. We are not to be exercising authority upon others, in our daily service to Christ. Exercising authoirty over others is not forbidden for His saints today, but we are not doing so with Christ in His ministry on earth. The Lord makes no difference here between exercising authority for the good or evil. It is doing so at all in His ministry, that is forbidden. Ruling with government authority and power as ministers of Christ, is the great error of popes and kings converting by force of law.

The service and ministry of the Lord is the subject at hand, not having and exercising authority on earth today, whether at home, in government, or business. Reigning with Christ is in His kingdom rule and power, which not be until He returns to establish His kingdom of heaven on earth by force of law.

No man on earth ever has, nor will ever reign with the Lord Himself on earth, until He comes again to resurrect His saints bodily and do so.

Evil use of authority. Which proves beyond doubt, that neither the Lord nor His resurrected saints are reigning on earth yesterday nor today.

Otherwise, the apostles would have unseated the evil priests and rulers of their own day.

That is the ministry and service of Christ today for His body on earth: to defy man's ruling authority, if necessary, including being executed for it.

Which is another proof that neither Christ reigned as Lord on earth, nor His saints following. Else they had not been crucified on crosses unjustly, by evil rulers remaining on earth then and now.

Those who 'spiritualize' the promised Millenniual reign of the Lord and His ressurrectd saints, both inflate themselves above the Lord's walk on earth, as well as belittle the prophesied reign to come walking all over the earth with governing power.


The end of man's age of rule on earth, is when Christ returns to rule over all men and nations on earth.

Christ ruling the hearts of men today, is not even His saints reigning with Christ on earth, because we crucify our own rule in life for His sake.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Even as today, there will be plenty of unruly hearts in His Millennium, but no unruly deeds shall go unpunished.

When any ruler on earth obeys your government, let me know. Then I'll be making requests to you for others to unseat.

It will be too late to repent and be justified by Him when He returns to earth, in order to be ressurected with Him in the air.

True. At His return and 1000 year reign over all the earth.

Unfortunately, this has not happened yet, because His rule over all the earth is not come yet.

Our Lord has not yet come to the earth to govern as King, and exercising immediate authority and swift execution for anyone transgressing His law.

You are trying to equate the Lord God of all the earth, having power to do as He will yesterday and today, with the day when He will exeercise that power pesonally, immediately, and in full site of all men.

Which will be when He returns with great power as lightning shine for all eyes to see.

And so, I'm asking: do you think the Lord is now ruling over all people on earth, and executing His law so that no unjust ruler is in now power that transgresses it?

If not, then He has not yet come again to the earth to do so. And if yes, then you don't believe in the prophecy of Him coming to do so.


Accusative question aside. Do you really believe you are now given authority by the Lord to reign with Him, and exercise it over your neighbor? Your local magistrates? You national leaders? Any ruler on the earth?


We ought. Many speak for themselves, especially when it comes to doctrine and prophecy of the Lord.

Many think God isn't really isn't reigning over the earth because of evil governments. They ignore His victory over death.

 

[journeyman]

Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us:

Paul in 1 Cor 4 is not commending Christians as reigning in this life. He is rebuking and warning the puffed up Christians, who set themselves up as reigning in Corinth. And doing so while despising the lack of reign by the apostles, and especially Paul.

Christians acting like they are reigning on earth, do so without the apostles.

And I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.

Paul plainly shows he is not reigning with anyone as a Christian nor apostle on earth. Therefore, Paul is speaking of the future reigning of resurrected saints over nations of the earth. He would to God that it was indeed now, that he might also now reign with them.

What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love and in the spirit of meekness?1Cor.4:21 KJV

 

[Randy]

When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. 25Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

At the resurrection
To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’ —just as I have received authority from my Father. 28I will also give that one the morning star. 29Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

 

[for_his_glory]

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

I Never Knew You
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Many think God isn't really isn't reigning over the earth because of evil governments. They ignore His victory over death.

That's their problem of unbelief.

And some Christians don't believe He will come again and govern all nations from Jerusalem, so that no evil rulers are allowed at all.

That's usually because they like to think they are not reigining with Him from above.

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

And their so set in their vain imagination, that they won't even respoiind to Paul rebuking certain Corinthians for acting like they reign without Paul, since the apostles knew they did not.

But why listen to an apostle of Christ, if they're not listening to Jesus Himself?

And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

 

[RBDERRICK]

What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love and in the spirit of meekness?1Cor.4:21 KJV

So long as it's the truth, it doesn't matter to me.

What I will have others do, if we have disagreement, is at least honor the words of God enough to take them seriously.

Otherwise, there's no point in vain conversation.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Many think God isn't really isn't reigning over the earth because of evil governments. They ignore His victory over death.

God delegated his Divine Council to rule the earth, that's his arrangement for mankind ever since the tower of babel, that's the origin of governments. Consider it a “check and balance” system.

When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations,
When He separated the sons of Adam,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the children of Israel (MS)/sons of God (DSS)/angels of God (LXX). (Deut. 32:8)

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”(Gen. 6:1-3)

I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.”
Arise, O God (Jesus), judge the earth;
For You shall inherit all nations. (Ps. 82:6-8)

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph. 6:12)

 

[journeyman]

Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us:

Paul in 1 Cor 4 is not commending Christians as reigning in this life. He is rebuking and warning the puffed up Christians, who set themselves up as reigning in Corinth. And doing so while despising the lack of reign by the apostles, and especially Paul.

Christians acting like they are reigning on earth, do so without the apostles.

And I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.

Paul plainly shows he is not reigning with anyone as a Christian nor apostle on earth. Therefore, Paul is speaking of the future reigning of resurrected saints over nations of the earth. He would to God that it was indeed now, that he might also now reign with them.

Paul is saying the Corinthians were "reigning as kings" as our Lord told them not to, but rather in humbleness as He did.

"As other do" is from you.

And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

"Not be so" is from the Lord. We are not to be exercising authority upon others, in our daily service to Christ. Exercising authoirty over others is not forbidden for His saints today, but we are not doing so with Christ in His ministry on earth.

No need for Jesus to mention the gentiles then, or reigning at all. He made the comparison. The reason He made it is because that's how God wants believers to rule His creation.

The Lord makes no difference here between exercising authority for the good or evil.

I agree because our Lord said Love your enemies.

It is doing so at all in His ministry, that is forbidden.

No He commanded us to reign in mercy before His return because then it's judgment day and no unbeliever will survive His coming in Person.
You seem to think the religious leaders and Pontius Pilate were ruling over our King. You got it upside down.

 

[journeyman]

So long as it's the truth, it doesn't matter to me.

What I will have others do, if we have disagreement, is at least honor the words of God enough to take them seriously.

Otherwise, there's no point in vain conversation.

Maybe Paul would come with a rod to beat them with. Ya know, like a police baton. Maybe an iron rod.

 

[journeyman]

God delegated his Divine Council to rule the earth, that's his arrangement for mankind ever since the tower of babel, that's the origin of governments. Consider it a “check and balance” system.

When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations,
When He separated the sons of Adam,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the children of Israel (MS)/sons of God (DSS)/angels of God (LXX). (Deut. 32:8)

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”(Gen. 6:1-3)

I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
But you shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes.”
Arise, O God (Jesus), judge the earth;
For You shall inherit all nations. (Ps. 82:6-8)

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph. 6:12)

People are waiting for the big battle to start.