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Some evolutionists have strongly criticized Schweitzer’s conclusions because they are understandably reluctant to concede the existence of blood vessels, cells with nuclei, tissue elasticity, and intact protein fragments in a dinosaur bone dated at 68 million years old. Other evolutionists, who find Schweitzer’s evidence too compelling to ignore, simply conclude that there is some previously unrecognized form of fossilization that preserves cells and protein fragments over tens of millions of years.1 Needless to say, no evolutionist has publically considered the possibility that dinosaur fossils are not millions of years old.

Complete article:
https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/3-soft-tissue-in-fossils/
 
Biochemists (yes, they are also "evolutionists") point out that organic molecules can survive many millions of years in an anoxic environment, in the absence of enzymes. There never was any scientific evidence to the contrary. It's mostly a fairy tale creationists made up.
 
Some evolutionists have strongly criticized Schweitzer’s conclusions because they are understandably reluctant to concede the existence of blood vessels, cells with nuclei, tissue elasticity, and intact protein fragments in a dinosaur bone dated at 68 million years old. Other evolutionists, who find Schweitzer’s evidence too compelling to ignore, simply conclude that there is some previously unrecognized form of fossilization that preserves cells and protein fragments over tens of millions of years.1 Needless to say, no evolutionist has publically considered the possibility that dinosaur fossils are not millions of years old.

Complete article:
https://answersingenesis.org/fossils/3-soft-tissue-in-fossils/
Your cited article is long on assertion and short on anything in the way of references and citations to support its various claims.
 
did Dinosaurs live with and alongside modern day plants and animals and humans ? - any comments - twinc
Yes Just GOOGLE U TUBE video, Dr Don Patton, Dinosaur Man evidence....There is tonnes of evidence, but it is ignored because of theological implications for evolution....

Shalom
 
Yes Just GOOGLE U TUBE video, Dr Don Patton, Dinosaur Man evidence....There is tonnes of evidence, but it is ignored because of theological implications for evolution....

Shalom
Perhaps you can present what you consider to be the best piece of such evidence so that we can discuss it?
 
Perhaps you can present what you consider to be the best piece of such evidence so that we can discuss it?

Yes here is some good proof, its a video presentation by Dr Don Patton 121 MB download, and when you watch it bare in mind that scientists cover over and ignore data that does not fit their theories.

I have more than dozen videos of the same things from of places around the world....but the one presented is the most convincing...they refused Dr Patton 3 times on an archaeology permit, on the area.....

Always some 30,0000 figurines have been found, around 3,000 of dinosaur figurines, and dinosaur skeletons buried with these ancient people in their burial sites....

Over 10 witnesses, including the police and mayor of the city...

You watch and tell me what you think...
Shalom
 
How about presenting what you think is the best proof from that video? On the other hand, if you don't understand it well enough to tell us about it, what makes you think it's right?

I know they say "don't worry, just get them to watch the video", but this isn't a video watching board.
 
Fine OK, why would a culture dated thousands of years ago carve and make clay models of dinosaurs they have never seen before ? And not only that make them in the correct position as scientists say they were ?

Evidence (1) figurines modelled correctly
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How did this culture get this dinosaur looking right ? Note the straight tail...
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How modern scientists think this species looked like....

Evidence (2) burial sites includes dinosaurs in the site
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And here is proof a dinosaur buried near human burial site...
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And here is the ancient burial site where the dinosaur was also buried with it...

Now this evidence cannot be discredited, as it is verified by 10 witnesses, including police, mayor and government archaeology team sent to investigate, but ignore findings found, nor will not let anyone else investigate with a digging licence.
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A dinosaur figurine poking out of adobe brick across the police in where the figurines were found...
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Pointed out by the team who have visited the site 12 times over several years...

Shalom
 
Fine OK, why would a culture dated thousands of years ago carve and make clay models of dinosaurs they have never seen before ? And not only that make them in the correct position as scientists say they were ?

Evidence (1) figurines modelled correctly

How did this culture get this dinosaur looking right ? Note the straight tail...

How modern scientists think this species looked like....
The Ica Stones have been so widely discredited as anything other than fakes, that continuing to cite them as evidence of human-dinosaur co-existence seems almost self-defeating.

Evidence (2) burial sites includes dinosaurs in the site

And here is proof a dinosaur buried near human burial site...

And here is the ancient burial site where the dinosaur was also buried with it...
How is this evidence that humans and dinosaurs co-existed rather than, say, that human remains were buried at a site that already contained fossilised dinosaur remains?

Now this evidence cannot be discredited, as it is verified by 10 witnesses, including police, mayor and government archaeology team sent to investigate, but ignore findings found, nor will not let anyone else investigate with a digging licence.

A dinosaur figurine poking out of adobe brick across the police in where the figurines were found...

Pointed out by the team who have visited the site 12 times over several years...

Shalom
So why would dinosaur figurines be placed inside adobe bricks in the first place?
 
The Ica Stones have been so widely discredited as anything other than fakes, that continuing to cite them as evidence of human-dinosaur co-existence seems almost self-defeating.


How is this evidence that humans and dinosaurs co-existed rather than, say, that human remains were buried at a site that already contained fossilised dinosaur remains?


So why would dinosaur figurines be placed inside adobe bricks in the first place?
Greetings LordKalvan

First these figurines are not Ica Stones, nor has the ICA stones been discredited...just because Scientists do not wish to investigate everything, especially that which discredits a particular theory does not make the evidence go away... these clay models are from Mexico area, over 30,000 have ben dug up, most packaged in crates not available to the public..

No the dinosaur was NOT washed into the site, nor the human remains washed onto aa dinosaur, the human dying chose to be buried with a dinosaur...maybe they worshipped animals...and had dinosaurs for pets ? Again it's easy to prove this, just let a digging licence be issued...but they refuse....why is that ?

The Adobe brick issue, well people dig up clay and mud to make bricks and so lots of figurines come inside the material without them noticing its already in there, seems like the whole area for miles is covered with figurines, some with dinos in them...

Watch the video if you do not believe...
Shalom
 
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Even the Bible speaks of dinosaurs living with mankind, in Job's time, who some say lived before the Flood.
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Now these are ICA stones, and I can't imagine a person or person's carving these in a few months or years even, over 11,000 were collected... sorry no fake...the stones are very hard, would take weeks to carve a single one...
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Then there's evidence of metal technology in the Cretaceous layer....
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And finally human foot prints op top of dinosaur foot prints...!
 
Greetings LordKalvan

First these figurines are not Ica Stones, nor has the ICA stones been discredited...just because Scientists do not wish to investigate everything, especially that which discredits a particular theory does not make the evidence go away... these clay models are from Mexico area, over 30,000 have ben dug up, most packaged in crates not available to the public..
My apologies for this mistake. However, both examination by archaeologist Charles Di Peso and thermoluminescence dating by Gary Carriveau and Mark Han indicate that these figurines are modern fakes (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acámbaro_figures).
No the dinosaur was NOT washed into the site, nor the human remains washed onto aa dinosaur, the human dying chose to be buried with a dinosaur...maybe they worshipped animals...and had dinosaurs for pets ? Again it's easy to prove this, just let a digging licence be issued...but they refuse....why is that ?
Do you have a citation to support these claims?
The Adobe brick issue, well people dig up clay and mud to make bricks and so lots of figurines come inside the material without them noticing its already in there, seems like the whole area for miles is covered with figurines, some with dinos in them...
I am afraid that I do not find it credible that mud bricks (adobe) could be prepared without the maker noticing that ceramic models were included in the mix being prepared.
Watch the video if you do not believe...
Shalom
I would prefer citations that can be checked rather than a video of unchallenged claims and assertions be offered in proof.
 
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Even the Bible speaks of dinosaurs living with mankind, in Job's time, who some say lived before the Flood.

Now these are ICA stones, and I can't imagine a person or person's carving these in a few months or years even, over 11,000 were collected... sorry no fake...the stones are very hard, would take weeks to carve a single one...
Archaeologists disagree as to the provenance of these artefacts and, for the few that may be genuine, whether they depict what is claimed for the:

http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=334

Note that the location of the cave where these artefacts were allegedly found has never been disclosed.
Then there's evidence of metal technology in the Cretaceous layer....
I understand that there is no in situ documentation for this artefact, that such Carbon-14 dating as has been carried out dates it to no more than 700 years old and that the hammer is typical of those used by 19th Century miners.
And finally human foot prints op top of dinosaur foot prints...!
If these are the Paluxy prinits, even creationist sites warn against citing them s evidence of human-dinosaur co-existence:

'Creation scientists from various organizations have investigated the Paluxy River fossils. Given the ambiguity of the evidence and the fact that much of what may have once been present is no longer available for study, we do not believe those claims of coexisting human and dinosaur prints are wholly supportable. Dr. John Morris in 1986 reported similar conclusions, deciding “it would now be improper for creationists to continue to use the Paluxy data as evidence against evolution”1unless further research brings new facts to light.'

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/footprints/paluxy-river-tracks-in-texas-spotlight/
 
Archaeologists disagree as to the provenance of these artefacts and, for the few that may be genuine, whether they depict what is claimed for the:

http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=334

Note that the location of the cave where these artefacts were allegedly found has never been disclosed.

I understand that there is no in situ documentation for this artefact, that such Carbon-14 dating as has been carried out dates it to no more than 700 years old and that the hammer is typical of those used by 19th Century miners.

If these are the Paluxy prinits, even creationist sites warn against citing them s evidence of human-dinosaur co-existence:

'Creation scientists from various organizations have investigated the Paluxy River fossils. Given the ambiguity of the evidence and the fact that much of what may have once been present is no longer available for study, we do not believe those claims of coexisting human and dinosaur prints are wholly supportable. Dr. John Morris in 1986 reported similar conclusions, deciding “it would now be improper for creationists to continue to use the Paluxy data as evidence against evolution”1unless further research brings new facts to light.'

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/footprints/paluxy-river-tracks-in-texas-spotlight/

Well LordKalvan, the Bible says that even the very elect can be deceived if that were possible...so why is our own personal religion so resistant to change ? When you confront evidence, it is not just one piece of evidence that sways you, but the probability of all the evidence provided verses the alternative theory of faith....

What's the alternative theory of faith spoken about here? That would be evolution, that given time and lots of time, all things change in nature following natural laws, so that Intelligent Design is not required to account for the progression of life, including it's moral values in mankind. What I find alarming is this theory of faith has pervaded even into Christian religions.

The Bible is the only source of God's messages apart from His creation, which is the evidence from which Scripture asks us to look and verify that God's word is true. If the dinosaur is mentioned in Job, than Scripture says both man and these large reptiles existed during Creation....after all the Creation account is a literal account of Creation is it not? Or are we suggesting that God's messages are not true?

My question is really very easy to verify to you : (1) Why does Evolutionary Science
not allow digging permits in Mexico ?
(2)Why isn't the carbon and radio-active dating methods purposefully tested and analysed for it's accuracy ? It's a game they play I am afraid...
(3) Evolutionary Science is confronted with so much biological preservation of dinosaur tissue, it is now considered a fact....so now they say such material can be preserved up to a few million years by Fe in the solution... wouldn't it be easier to say dinosaur tissue is not that old to begin with ?

QUOTE: "it would now be improper for creationists to continue to use the Paluxy data as evidence against evolution"

OK so why did an evolutionist Scientist come back to the site and destroy the evidence with an iron bar?

Shalom
 
My apologies for this mistake. However, both examination by archaeologist Charles Di Peso and thermoluminescence dating by Gary Carriveau and Mark Han indicate that these figurines are modern fakes (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acámbaro_figures).

Do you have a citation to support these claims?

I am afraid that I do not find it credible that mud bricks (adobe) could be prepared without the maker noticing that ceramic models were included in the mix being prepared.

I would prefer citations that can be checked rather than a video of unchallenged claims and assertions be offered in proof.
Well Lord Kalvan

I note your presentation is not true, simply because your citations can neither be read by the public nor it is open to scrutiny.....please cite any references that can be READ, completely and thoroughly from page to page....including the method, abstract, introduction, discussion and methods...I am a science teacher and I have read hundreds of Science papers, but you supply papers one cannot read, or access, and you have to pay money to access them....

Are we running an exclusive club here where peer review papers cannot be read by the public for free?

  1. a b "The Dinosaur Figurines Of Acambaro, Mexico". The Interactive Bible. 2003-07-27. Archived from the original on 14 December 2007. Retrieved 2007-12-19.
  2. Jump up ^Isaak, M. (2007). The Counter-Creationism Handbook. University of California Press, Berkeley, California. p. 362. ISBN 978-0-520-24926-4
  3. Jump up ^ DiPeso, C.C. (1953). "The Clay Figurines of Acambaro, Guanajuato, Mexico". American Antiquity. 18(4):388-389.
  4. Jump up ^ DiPeso, C.C. (1953). "The Clay Monsters of Acambaro". Archaeology. 6(2):111-114.
  5. ^ Jump up to: abPezatti, Alex (2005). "Mystery at Acámbaro, Mexico". Expedition Magazine. 47(3):7-8. University of Pennsylvania Museum.
  6. Jump up ^Childress, David Hatcher (1993). Lost Cities of North & Central America. Stelle, Illinois: Adventures Unlimited Press. p. 209. ISBN0932813097.
  7. Jump up ^Hapgood, Charles (2000). Mystery in Acambaro: Did Dinosaurs Survive Until Recently?. Adventures Unlimited Press. ISBN0-932813-76-3.
  8. Jump up ^Blanton, John (October 1999). "The Acambaro dinosaurs". Newsletter of The North Texas Skeptics 13 (10). Archived from the original on 27 December 2007. Retrieved 2007-12-19.
  9. Jump up ^ Carriveau, G. W.; Han, M. C. (1976). "Thermoluminescent Dating and the Monsters of Acambaro". American Antiquity. 41(4):497-500.

  1. None of these citations can be read or analysed, therefore it is not evidence for your theory of faith at all....

  1. I gave you evidence you can see, now you provide evidence for your theory of faith that also I can read and see...that is fair as well don't you think ?



  1. 1. Charles Hapgood, MYSTERY IN ACAMBARO, An Account of the Ceramic Collection of the Late Waldemar Julsrud in Acambaro, QTU, Mexico. (Self Published, 1972). 2. THE DINOSAUR ENCYCLOPEDIA, (Kingfisher Books: New York, N.Y.) p.80. 3. Lowell Harmer. MEXICO FINDS GIVE HINT OF LOST WORLD, Los Angeles Times, (March 25,1951). 4. William N. Russell "Did Man Tame the Dinosaurs?" Fate, (March, 1952), pp 2027; "Report on Acambaro, "Fate. (June, 1953), pp.31-35. 5. Charles C. Dipeso, "The Clay Figurines of Acambaro," Guanajuato, Mexico, American Antiquity, April 1953, pp 388-389. 6. Charles Dipeso, "The Clay Monsters of Acambaro, "Archaeology (Summer, 1953), Pages 111-114. 7. Taylor and Berger, American Antiquity (Vol.33, No.3), 1968. 8. John H Tierney, "Pseudoscientific Attacks On Acambaro Artifacts: The Ceramic Technology of Intellectual Suppression," World Explorer Magazine (Vol.1 #4), pp 52-61.


  1. These are citation is favour of my theory of faith...

  1. http://www.omniology.com/3-Ceramic-Dinos.html Read it here

  1. So can we trust our sources LordKalvan ? And how would you know?
 
Well LordKalvan, the Bible says that even the very elect can be deceived if that were possible...so why is our own personal religion so resistant to change ? When you confront evidence, it is not just one piece of evidence that sways you, but the probability of all the evidence provided verses the alternative theory of faith....

What's the alternative theory of faith spoken about here? That would be evolution, that given time and lots of time, all things change in nature following natural laws, so that Intelligent Design is not required to account for the progression of life, including it's moral values in mankind. What I find alarming is this theory of faith has pervaded even into Christian religions.
Evolution is not a theory of faith, it is a scientific theory. Even YECists who argue for the actuality of an Ark legend carrying 'kinds' from which the post-flood diversity of non-marine life proliferated de facto accept a rate of evolutionary change that evolutionary biologists find incredible.
The Bible is the only source of God's messages apart from His creation, which is the evidence from which Scripture asks us to look and verify that God's word is true. If the dinosaur is mentioned in Job, than Scripture says both man and these large reptiles existed during Creation....after all the Creation account is a literal account of Creation is it not? Or are we suggesting that God's messages are not true?
What I am suggesting is that there is no mention of a dinosaur in Job and that the only motivation for so arguing is a pre-existing supposition that a particular literalist interpretation of the Bible that requires Earth to be less than 10,000 years old and that has no other evidence to support its conclusion requires that a dinosaur be identified in the Bible.
My question is really very easy to verify to you : (1) Why does Evolutionary Science
not allow digging permits in Mexico ?
You have failed to show that 'Evolutionary Science' either denies such permits or even has the power to do so. I am not even sure what permit-issuing authority you refer to when you describe it as 'Evolutionary Science'.
(2)Why isn't the carbon and radio-active dating methods purposefully tested and analysed for it's accuracy ? It's a game they play I am afraid...
Well, as radiometric dating methodologies are, indeed, 'purposefully tested and analysed for accuracy', this question has no basis in actuality.
(3) Evolutionary Science is confronted with so much biological preservation of dinosaur tissue, it is now considered a fact....so now they say such material can be preserved up to a few million years by Fe in the solution... wouldn't it be easier to say dinosaur tissue is not that old to begin with ?
Only if the range of available consistent and consilient evidence didn't exist told us that it is 'old', while none at all exists that tell us that it is 'young'.
QUOTE: "it would now be improper for creationists to continue to use the Paluxy data as evidence against evolution"

OK so why did an evolutionist Scientist come back to the site and destroy the evidence with an iron bar?

Shalom
Which 'evolutionist Scientist' are you referring to?
 
Well Lord Kalvan

I note your presentation is not true, simply because your citations can neither be read by the public nor it is open to scrutiny.....please cite any references that can be READ, completely and thoroughly from page to page....including the method, abstract, introduction, discussion and methods...I am a science teacher and I have read hundreds of Science papers, but you supply papers one cannot read, or access, and you have to pay money to access them....

Are we running an exclusive club here where peer review papers cannot be read by the public for free?

  1. a b "The Dinosaur Figurines Of Acambaro, Mexico". The Interactive Bible. 2003-07-27. Archived from the original on 14 December 2007. Retrieved 2007-12-19.
  2. Jump up ^Isaak, M. (2007). The Counter-Creationism Handbook. University of California Press, Berkeley, California. p. 362. ISBN 978-0-520-24926-4
  3. Jump up ^ DiPeso, C.C. (1953). "The Clay Figurines of Acambaro, Guanajuato, Mexico". American Antiquity. 18(4):388-389.
  4. Jump up ^ DiPeso, C.C. (1953). "The Clay Monsters of Acambaro". Archaeology. 6(2):111-114.
  5. ^ Jump up to: abPezatti, Alex (2005). "Mystery at Acámbaro, Mexico". Expedition Magazine. 47(3):7-8. University of Pennsylvania Museum.
  6. Jump up ^Childress, David Hatcher (1993). Lost Cities of North & Central America. Stelle, Illinois: Adventures Unlimited Press. p. 209. ISBN0932813097.
  7. Jump up ^Hapgood, Charles (2000). Mystery in Acambaro: Did Dinosaurs Survive Until Recently?. Adventures Unlimited Press. ISBN0-932813-76-3.
  8. Jump up ^Blanton, John (October 1999). "The Acambaro dinosaurs". Newsletter of The North Texas Skeptics 13 (10). Archived from the original on 27 December 2007. Retrieved 2007-12-19.
  9. Jump up ^ Carriveau, G. W.; Han, M. C. (1976). "Thermoluminescent Dating and the Monsters of Acambaro". American Antiquity. 41(4):497-500.

  1. None of these citations can be read or analysed, therefore it is not evidence for your theory of faith at all....

  1. I gave you evidence you can see, now you provide evidence for your theory of faith that also I can read and see...that is fair as well don't you think ?


  1. 1. Charles Hapgood, MYSTERY IN ACAMBARO, An Account of the Ceramic Collection of the Late Waldemar Julsrud in Acambaro, QTU, Mexico. (Self Published, 1972). 2. THE DINOSAUR ENCYCLOPEDIA, (Kingfisher Books: New York, N.Y.) p.80. 3. Lowell Harmer. MEXICO FINDS GIVE HINT OF LOST WORLD, Los Angeles Times, (March 25,1951). 4. William N. Russell "Did Man Tame the Dinosaurs?" Fate, (March, 1952), pp 2027; "Report on Acambaro, "Fate. (June, 1953), pp.31-35. 5. Charles C. Dipeso, "The Clay Figurines of Acambaro," Guanajuato, Mexico, American Antiquity, April 1953, pp 388-389. 6. Charles Dipeso, "The Clay Monsters of Acambaro, "Archaeology (Summer, 1953), Pages 111-114. 7. Taylor and Berger, American Antiquity (Vol.33, No.3), 1968. 8. John H Tierney, "Pseudoscientific Attacks On Acambaro Artifacts: The Ceramic Technology of Intellectual Suppression," World Explorer Magazine (Vol.1 #4), pp 52-61.

  1. These are citation is favour of my theory of faith...

  1. http://www.omniology.com/3-Ceramic-Dinos.html Read it here

  1. So can we trust our sources LordKalvan ? And how would you know?
Not all references and citations have been published on the Internet. This does not mean that they are not available to the public. Public libraries exist to help make these things available free of charge. Accusing a 'presentation' of being untrue simply because you cannot access the entirety of its citations online is quite unreasonable.
 
Not all references and citations have been published on the Internet. This does not mean that they are not available to the public. Public libraries exist to help make these things available free of charge. Accusing a 'presentation' of being untrue simply because you cannot access the entirety of its citations online is quite unreasonable.

Yes I realize its unreasonable but when I go to the Journal of Science, I have to pay for every article I visit, and when I was in my Agricultural studies at a University doing research I would read paper journals for my thesis, I went through at least 400 papers and cited over 200 of them in my thesis...now imagine paying for every article I choose to research online....from my experience when you read their methods and discussion you find fault in the findings.... I presume Lordkalvan you have done this process yourself to this level of detail as I have done many years ago ...

Actually I have done two thesis research projects in my life, I find doing university studies nice, but a waste of time because you get heavily into their theories of faith, and not your own...and their own papers published have errors when you read them yourself...however I did better in my second degree because I learned to play along with their game....but surely eternal truth is more important....evolutionary theory has no eternal consequences, whereas creationism does...so even by Pascal's Wager in terms of probability we should allow God into our lives, because we have nothing to lose and everything to gain...

SHalom
 
Yes I realize its unreasonable but when I go to the Journal of Science, I have to pay for every article I visit, and when I was in my Agricultural studies at a University doing research I would read paper journals for my thesis, I went through at least 400 papers and cited over 200 of them in my thesis...now imagine paying for every article I choose to research online....from my experience when you read their methods and discussion you find fault in the findings.... I presume Lordkalvan you have done this process yourself to this level of detail as I have done many years ago ...
Well, I'm not suggesting that you pay for every article you see cited. What I am suggesting is that there are other methods of accessing this material and that simply because some articles require payment for access does not mean that they are not generally available and that accusing a post of being 'untrue' solely because of your problems with accessing citations is inappropriate.
Actually I have done two thesis research projects in my life, I find doing university studies nice, but a waste of time because you get heavily into their theories of faith, and not your own...and their own papers published have errors when you read them yourself...however I did better in my second degree because I learned to play along with their game....but surely eternal truth is more important....evolutionary theory has no eternal consequences, whereas creationism does...so even by Pascal's Wager in terms of probability we should allow God into our lives, because we have nothing to lose and everything to gain...

SHalom
Well, suffice to say that I disagree with almost everything in this paragraph. As to your last comment, I rather suppose that an omniscient deity would be capable of assessing whether belief in it was sincere or not.
 
Well, I'm not suggesting that you pay for every article you see cited. What I am suggesting is that there are other methods of accessing this material and that simply because some articles require payment for access does not mean that they are not generally available and that accusing a post of being 'untrue' solely because of your problems with accessing citations is inappropriate.

Well, suffice to say that I disagree with almost everything in this paragraph. As to your last comment, I rather suppose that an omniscient deity would be capable of assessing whether belief in it was sincere or not.

OK Lord Kalvan, let's get back to the task at hand....

(1) Professor Hapgood found dinosaur figurines were genuine and dated the clay figures to 2500BC verified by two independent laboratories....

Hapgood, Charles H. (1999). Mystery in Acambaro. Adventures Unlimited Press. ISBN 978-0-932813-76-3.

(2) In 1973, Professor Hapgood wrote Mystery in Acámbaro (reprinted here in full), wherein he discusses the feasibility of these figurines being sourced from an ancient culture, and the results of radiocarbon tests that suggest the artefacts could be anywhere from 6,500 to 3,100 years old. Thermoluminesence testing yielded a date of 2500 BC: 4,500 years old, and coinciding with the occupation of the Pyramid of Cuilcuilco, according to Hapgood. https://www.nexusmagazine.com/products/books/ancient-mysteries/mystery-in-acambaro-detail

(3) The laboratory that did the dating ran18 trials to make sure it was correct.

(4) Not only was Hapgood a world authority on prehistoric life and artifacts, but he possessed an innate curiosity.
Hapgood spent several weeks in Acambaro. He hired local workers to dig in locations and to depths selected by him. They dug into ground that had never been disturbed; they tunneled under big rocks, buildings and rock walls; everywhere they dug they found figurines.
Professor Hapgood took every precaution against any fraud. Most of the figurines had been discovered near a mountain called Bull Hill, in the southwestern section of Acambaro.
During their numerous excavations, the professor and Odilon Tinajero, his chief digger, uncovered items that only increased the mystery. While tunneling under a rock wall, they uncovered an ancient grave that held the remains of an Indian with a beautiful hand crafted obsidian dagger in his hand.
They also uncovered many unusual teeth, which the university laboratories identified as the teeth of Equus Conversidans Owen, or what is commonly known as the long extinct ice-age horse.

(5) Stumped and mystified at the results of his investigation, Hapgood submitted some of the figurines to a Carbon 14 test. The results revealed that the objects were made around 1500 B.C.
Following his lengthy and unprejudiced investigation. Professor Charles Hapgood reported that he could not detect any evidence of fraud and that his final conclusion was that the figurines were the work of an ancient people, the purpose of which is unknown.

From a Mexican newpaper http://thetombstonenews.com/acambaromen-mysteries-in-mexico-p2034-84.htm

(6) DiPeso also stated: “Further investigation revealed that a family living in the vicinity of Acambaro make these figurines during the winter months when their fields lie idle” (1953, 18[4]:388). DiPeso further claimed that the hole from which he watched figurines being excavated showed signs of recent digging prior to the excavation and signs of figurine “planting.” He concluded: “Thus the investigation ended: it seems almost superfluous to state that the Acambaro figurines are not prehistoric nor were they made by a prehistoric race who lived in association with Mesozoic reptiles” (18[4]:389). https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=446

Who do you believe ? Professor Hapgood and 12 witnesses ? or this biased scientist DiPeso ?

(7) Several suspicious aspects of DiPeso’s trip troubled those who wanted honest answers about the figurines. First, DiPeso spent little more than two days for his entire investigation. He only watched a tiny fraction of the figures be excavated. Second, he claimed to have inspected the entire collection of over 32,000 pieces, but he was only in Julsrud’s house for about four hours. Furthermore, he did not take time to learn the method used by the excavators. Nor did he attempt to locate an undisturbed site to excavate.

(8) Hapgood’s initial report was published in December 1955, now a very rare document that is extremely difficult to find. In it, he stated the reason for his investigation. Referring to DiPeso’s expedition, Hapgood said: “The previous investigations, extremely limited in character (one lasted half a day and the other two days) have failed to prove anything. Their evidence is purely negative and entirely inconclusive” (1955, p. 3). In the report, Hapgood addressed each of DiPeso’s contentions.
(9) No Missing Pieces?
DiPeso stated: “The figures were broken, in most cases, where the appendages attached themselves to the body of the figurines.... No parts were missing.” In response to the breaking of the pieces at their appendages, Hapgood noted: “But what would be more natural than for pieces to break at their weakest points?” (1955, 5:7). Furthermore, concerning the missing parts, he said: “As for missing parts, I have personally inspected a number of large boxes which are completely filled with parts of figurines that could not be put together because parts were found missing” (1955, 5:7). Hapgood’s testimony coincides with that of other observers of the collection. William Russell said: “Julsrud showed me several figurines.... And there were many hundreds of broken pieces stacked in boxes” (1952, 5[2]:25, emp. added).


I mean how much citation does it take to convince you the findings are genuine

(10) I have examined it many hours daily for several weeks, and I cannot claim to have examined more than a small fraction of the objects. Yet I have seen innumerable breaks that could have been made by shovel or pick” (1955, 5:7, emp. added).

(11) He said: “Further, none of the specimens were marred by patination nor did they possess the surface coating of soluble salts...” (1953, 18[4]:388).

(12) Not satisfied, however, to rely solely on this explanation, Hapgood determined to find an undisturbed area to see for himself. Concerning his activities on June 22, 1955, Hapgood wrote:
The next day we obtained permission to dig inside one of the houses erected on the site. This was owned by Acambaro’s Chief of Police, Juan Mandujano. Since the general site had been so thoroughly searched by the digger over a period of about eight years, it seemed that the best possibility of finding a cache of figurines would be under one of the houses. ‘Planting’ of figurines in that case would also be difficult, if not impossible. So far as I could find out, the house was built about 25 years ago (1930—KB). I found every part of the floor of the house smooth, and extremely hard. The diggers worked through the floor with picks, and I saw the hard layer was about eight inches thick. Under this was a somewhat softer layer of earth, which overlay the original sloping surface of the ground. The original surface was easily discernible in the stratification and was complete. There appeared to be no doubt that the original surface had not been disturbed since the fill was piled on it to level the floor when the house was built.... Below the original sloping surface were found many fragments of pots, and many fragments of figurines. All the figurine fragments were clearly typical of the Julsrud collection (1955, 1:2-3).

Citations

DiPeso, Charles (1953), “The Clay Figurines of Acambaro, Guanajuato, Mexico,” American Antiquity, 18[4]:388-389.

Gardner, Erle Stanley (1969), Host With the Big Hat (New York: William Morrow).

Hapgood, Charles (1955), Reports From Acambaro (New York: Fieldstone School).

Hapgood, Charles (2000), Mystery in Acambaro (Kempton, IL: Adventures Unlimited Press).

Harmer, Lowell (1951), “Mexico Finds Give Hint of Lost World: Dinosaur Statues Point to Men Who Lived in Age of Reptiles,” Los Angeles Times, B1-B2, March 25.

Pezzati, Alex (2005), “Mystery at Acambaro, Mexico,” Expedition, 47[3]:6-7.

Russell, William N. (1952), “Did Man Tame the Dinosaur?,” Fate, 5[2]:20-27.

Swift, Dennis (no date[a]), “The Dinosaur Figurines of Acambaro, Mexico,” [On-line], URL: http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-acambaro.htm#photo.

Reading this webpage explains things fairly well.
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