Do you have Gay friends

[ivorhughjarse]

I know that this is mainly a US site but reading some of the articles do any of you have friends who are gay?

 

[Classik]

Some of my friends are gay. That doesn't mean I'm promoting them.

 

[ChristianNationalist]

My mother's boyfriend's son is gay, very gay. I've had several gay co-workers as well. They're decent folk other than the fact that they're violating the will of God and will suffer eternally for their disgusting hedonistic perversion.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

Same as Gluttons then?

I know fat people too


tax collectors, Publicans, prostitutes .....who would share a meal with such ones?

 

[ivorhughjarse]

I have co worker's who are Gay they are friends the same as every other friend that I have..I dont understand them fully but after taking to them its always been that way from being a child...one had counselling and therapy but could not change his desire to be attracted to other men.. He came from a religious family and suicide was his way out...this was three years ago and from that time I view everyone the same...even church goers with their secret sins..My guess is that its just another secret sin that is hidden in church and not dealt with kindly because of the witch hunt mentality that goes with religion

 

[ChristianNationalist]

I think they're worse than gluttons. Time and time again the Bible makes it completely clear that a man laying with a man is an affront to God. It's sexual immorality, it's disrespecting the seed, it's hedonism, it's corruption, and on, and on. Homosexuality is among the gravest of sins.

Sex does not exist because it feels good, it exists for procreation. Gays (along with most of the modern world) don't get that fact, they don't understand that everything isn't about them. They don't understand that sex is a gift, it allows us to receive the blessing of fatherhood.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I consider myself "post-gay." Not "ex-gay" so much anymore. I'm not suddenly straight or not gay; rather, I'm just trying my hardest not to have gay sex or lead the gay lifestyle.

I don't have gay friends. For one thing, gay men--actively gay men, that is--are like cats; put two or more together, and there's going to be a fight. I think its because of the narcissism that's involved in regularly engaging in sodomy. There's a degree of self-love and self-destruction in the homosexul lifestyle that destroys the soul and spirit of the individual and damages his personality. This alteration in personality and destruction of character makes it hard for me to keep gay people as friends, especially since I once was one of them.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

POST 6/ maybe they are not church goers? and need you to kindly explain

 

[Christ_empowered]

Speaking as a post-gay, I think you have to realize that one reason homosexuality/sodomy is so terrible is because its rooted in extreme self-love. Even psychiatrists recognized this. Psychoanalysts used to write about the connections between narcissism (the psychobabble version of extreme self-love) and homosexuality. Paul says something to the effect that sodomy results when people exchange the truth of God for a lie, for images they create, and for their own personal nonsense. Then, consciences seared, hearts hardened, they turn to their own sex for pleasure and some sort of narcissistic emotional fulfillment.

I say this to point out that this is one reason homosexuality is sooooo hard to get out of. Self-love? To the point of narcissism? Speaking as someone who, back in the day, was diagnosed with narcissism, that's a hard one to break. For me, it took years of hard times and a couple of near-death experiences to break free from myself. For even the relatively well-behaved Christian, the ongoing battle against Self is arguably one of the hardest fights in the Christian life.

So, I don't know that going up to a practicing, unrepentant homosexual and saying "hey, wow, guess what? Sodomy is one of the top 10 straight-to-Hell sins!" is going to do much. I mean, yes, speak the truth, but we are to speak the truth in love. I don't know what you'd say though. I had Christians tell me, while I was deep into the gay lifestyle, that it was wrong and I was hardened and stupid enough to laugh at the idea (and at the Christians proposing it). It wasn't until God changed me that I smacked my forehead in one of those "d'oh!" moments and realized those "Holy Rollers" had been right all along.

 

[ChristianNationalist]

POST 6/ maybe they are not church goers? and need you to kindly explain

That would be a great way for me to lose my job; just casually explain to them that their lifestyle is an offense to God. Several of the gays I know really are good people outside of this horrible thing they do, unfortunately I have to ignore that part of their life when I talk to them.

Speaking to them would probably do no good anyways, they're so empowered by the corrupt pro-gay media that it's almost considered a great thing to be gay. Billions of dollars are spent every day to spread the gay agenda, it's disheartening at times.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

That would be a great way for me to lose my job; just casually explain to them that their lifestyle is an offense to God. Several of the gays I know really are good people outside of this horrible thing they do, unfortunately I have to ignore that part of their life when I talk to them.

Speaking to them would probably do no good anyways, they're so empowered by the corrupt pro-gay media that it's almost considered a great thing to be gay. Billions of dollars are spent every day to spread the gay agenda, it's disheartening at times.

You missed the point of my original post."Do you have Gay friends?" from your reply it's ...no....therefore you will never have the chance to kindly deal with anyone .....thats unless they were brave enough to walk into your church and come up and tell you!

 

[ivorhughjarse]

Speaking as a post-gay, I think you have to realize that one reason homosexuality/sodomy is so terrible is because its rooted in extreme self-love. Even psychiatrists recognized this. Psychoanalysts used to write about the connections between narcissism (the psychobabble version of extreme self-love) and homosexuality. Paul says something to the effect that sodomy results when people exchange the truth of God for a lie, for images they create, and for their own personal nonsense. Then, consciences seared, hearts hardened, they turn to their own sex for pleasure and some sort of narcissistic emotional fulfillment.

I say this to point out that this is one reason homosexuality is sooooo hard to get out of. Self-love? To the point of narcissism? Speaking as someone who, back in the day, was diagnosed with narcissism, that's a hard one to break. For me, it took years of hard times and a couple of near-death experiences to break free from myself. For even the relatively well-behaved Christian, the ongoing battle against Self is arguably one of the hardest fights in the Christian life.

So, I don't know that going up to a practicing, unrepentant homosexual and saying "hey, wow, guess what? Sodomy is one of the top 10 straight-to-Hell sins!" is going to do much. I mean, yes, speak the truth, but we are to speak the truth in love. I don't know what you'd say though. I had Christians tell me, while I was deep into the gay lifestyle, that it was wrong and I was hardened and stupid enough to laugh at the idea (and at the Christians proposing it). It wasn't until God changed me that I smacked my forehead in one of those "d'oh!" moments and realized those "Holy Rollers" had been right all along.

That reply was so enlightening and it explains why many of the posts on their Facebook wall are about self...I was of the view it was just childishness talking of self but there is obviously much more to it

 

[ChristianNationalist]

You missed the point of my original post."Do you have Gay friends?" from your reply it's ...no....therefore you will never have the chance to kindly deal with anyone .....thats unless they were brave enough to walk into your church and come up and tell you!

I didn't miss the point at all. You asked if anyone had any gay friends, I responded that I have a gay semi-family member and have gay coworkers. Then I responded to another post (which you've change twice now subtley changing the thrust) which you asked me to elaborate on so I did.

 

[ivorhughjarse]

fair point....i did do that sorry!

 

[jasoncran]

while i was never like christempowered on that level of self-love. i did have some of it. if i feed it long enough it would have consumed me.

no i dont have gay friends. it would be hard for me to do so , of course it depends on the person. some arent that militant others are.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

My guess is that its just another secret sin that is hidden in church and not dealt with kindly because of the witch hunt mentality that goes with religion

Just as homosexuality is a very, very difficult sin to overcome for those trapped by it, so the inability to not condemn others caught in sin is very, very difficult to deal with for others. It's a very real problem among Christians.

I've been a Christian 26 years and all along the way I realize more and more as I struggle with different things how wrong it is to instantly assume that every practicing, unrepentant sinner knows exactly the choices they have made and the reasons they made them and can therefore be declared guilty and written off as condemned to die and go to hell. The more struggles with sin a Christian faces in their own lives the less condemning and the more compassionate and caring a person will be that others are snared by the deceits and powers of the flesh.

I've never struggled with homosexuality, but there are plenty of other sins to struggle with that help me see that sin chooses people and draws them into bondage more often than we think people purposely choose sin. Knowing this can take a lot of steam out of our harsh, abrasive, condemning attitudes toward the person caught in the power of the flesh. Especially homosexuality.

 

[Romansonetwentytwo]

I have a couple gay friends who I met through my previous job and remain friends with today. 2 are female one male. I have talked to two of them at depth about with both saying that it is a choice they make. One even said that she has no preference. I know there's a lot of people who think that bible believing Christians are homophobic and this and that and that's not the case. The bible is clear on the subject, it's also clear they can repent and be saved just like us. We denounce the sin and lifestyle, not the person.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I know there's a lot of people who think that bible believing Christians are homophobic and this and that and that's not the case.

I'd say, in general, the church has less tolerance (as in long suffering) for homosexual sin than it does for other equally damning sins like greed and slander and divisiveness. And when you consider that one out of two Christian men has a porn addiction (so they say) you wonder why homosexual sin gets the attention it does while porn addiction does not.

The bible is clear on the subject, it's also clear they can repent and be saved just like us. We denounce the sin and lifestyle, not the person.

My experience is many Christians simply are not able to recognize the difference between condemning sin and condemning people. You have to begin to understand why people sin to be able to discern the difference.

Except for a different set of circumstances, we might well be where others caught in sin are at. So it often isn't just a matter that others are more evil than us and purposely choose sin. They just have different circumstances that create different opportunities for sin, and which compel them more strongly to commit those sins and get snared by them than the rest of us do.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I have a couple gay friends who I met through my previous job and remain friends with today. 2 are female one male. I have talked to two of them at depth about with both saying that it is a choice they make. One even said that she has no preference. I know there's a lot of people who think that bible believing Christians are homophobic and this and that and that's not the case. The bible is clear on the subject, it's also clear they can repent and be saved just like us. We denounce the sin and lifestyle, not the person.

Let me add (since I never answered the OP), I think my brother who lives right by you in Hudson is gay (another brother lives right there in Brooksville, still another in Spring Hill). He has tried to commit suicide once, maybe twice (we're not sure what happened the first time). He's struggled with a lot of emotional problems and with life in general since his teens.

I used to look down on him because it seemed he was just choosing to not live right and was purposely choosing sin. But in these many years since, I now realize from my own struggle with life how truly possible it is for life's trials and circumstances to draw people into things they would have never chosen to do on their own (I now know what it means to want to die).

Only God has the knowledge and can see into a person's heart to pass judgment in regard to just how accountable people are to the sin they are ensnared in. Perhaps many people still have lots of space to come to their senses, while others do not and are hardened in their sin. But it seems the church in general has everybody, especially homosexuals, altogether condemned in the category of 'you know exactly what you're doing and can stop, but won't category'.

Part of maturing in Christ is being able to truly understand the torment of people caught in sin, and longing compassionately for God to show himself to them so they can be set free. It's terribly hard to condemn people and write them off the way we are so prone to do when you can empathize with their torment and genuinely long for Christ to intervene--and knowing nothing will happen unless Christ does intervene. In fact it seems you'll do that to the very end of your life. I think that's what long suffering is all about. Love never gives up. It's always hoping for another chance for someone. It's an odd quality. It's a divine quality.

 

[MarbleShooter]

Yes, I have gay and bisexual friends. I haven't noticed anything specific about them that separates them from anyone else. Most of the negatives I've heard about Gay and Bisexual people are paralleled in about that same frequency.